"Israel" and its brutal family laws!

[Fenton Lum]

Okay, so I did a little looking into this woman and her story. Seems she is sad-face that her husband has to pay child support to his three children by his ex-wife and isn't allowed to leave Israel until the court determines the amount and ensures some sort of guarantee that he is not going to become a deadbeat dad. I'm guessing he is in jail now because he tried to leave the country against his No Exit Order.

I've done some looking into these so-called brutal family laws. Most of what she rants about is factually untrue. (Big surprise!)

But Israel does apparently have the highest requirements for child support in the world, with Sweden the next highest. More evil from Israel. How DARE they demand that parents support their children?!

Kinda tough to do from jail.

Well, NOW he has to serve his prison sentence (two years). You know, for breaking the law. That's usually the way it works.

But before that -- he just had to keep his head down and wait. Or make an agreement with his ex.

Well they won't be gettin' nuthin' now will they.

 

[Shusha]

Well they won't be gettin' nuthin' now will they.

He will still owe it to them.

So, your position on this thread is that men shouldn't have to support their children?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Well they won't be gettin' nuthin' now will they.

He will still owe it to them.

So, your position on this thread is that men shouldn't have to support their children?

Oh sure, that's exactly what I said, dolt.

 

[Shusha]

Well they won't be gettin' nuthin' now will they.

He will still owe it to them.

So, your position on this thread is that men shouldn't have to support their children?

Oh sure, that's exactly what I said, dolt.

Feel free to actually present your position then.

 

[Hollie]

Don't you have any real rebuttal?

Why would anyone feel an obligation to rebut a YouTube video? Apparently, Freeman has unlimited time to spend scouring the web for his cutting and pasting. You obviously missed it but he is never able to defend his cutting and pasting except to cut and paste something unrelated as his his first cut and paste is challenged.... just as his usual pattern of behavior is displayed in this thread.

Why would the poster feel an obligation to respond then? Pavlovian.

Since you have such an interest in Freeman's YouTube videos, your homework assignment is to provide an essay on its merits.

Okay, pumpkin?

You think I both to watch that shyte? Oh you poor thing.

With such an inability to string words together into coherent sentences, should we just presume you're going to fail completion of your assignment?

 

[Shusha]

Yawn. Yet another thread about how evil Israel is without anyone bothering to research the topic or even argue for a specific point they may have. Its actually embarrassing for them.

 

[aris2chat]

What fre

This is a story of "israeli" wife censored in media!
ISRAELI 9 YEAR OLD BOY TAKEN BY POLICE AND FORCED TO MAKE FALSE TESTIMONY AGAINST FATHER

Censored???

Ilana, Azama, Aderet, and Shiran Ambash claim they were not enslaved, but in the police investigation, Aderet Ambash admitted to eating feces in publlic, and begging to be punished for her salvation. Sources claim she does not see this as an unusual activity, which could explain the potential misdiagnosis of a cult.

There is an appeal to the 25 yr sentence of Daniel Ambash in August for running a cult.

Since when you are you concerned with Israeli justice and cults?

The case was originally tried 5 yrs ago.

Can the hypocrisy Freeman, you just fond another way your mind to bash Israel over a case you really know nothing about.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Is this relevant to the I/P conflict?

 

[aris2chat]

Is this relevant to the I/P conflict?

Just Freeman Israel/jew bashing

 

[Freeman]

Don't you have any real rebuttal?

To what an unsubstantiated novel that has no gounding in reality and truth ?

Where is the truth mr Funnyall?

 

[Freeman]

The famous No Exit Order. It's like a trap.
Israelis threatened with jail if they try to leave

The brutality of domestic family laws in Israel has taken more lives than armed conflict. But among the living there is still a sense of despair and desperation as people continue to battle with poverty, parental alienation and a system so corrupted by greed it takes one’s breath away.

Where are the headlines? Where is the indignation of a society which doesn’t even blink when another person is found hanging or has jumped from a building, no longer able to cope with a system which must be exposed for what it really is? It is a money making machine.

Below is an interview with an American citizen, Rick Myers of the state of Oregon, who fell foul of Israeli extortion and has suffered every single day for almost eight years. He is not the only one: there are many foreigners with similar stories, and many thousands of Israelis trapped against their will in the country. He is also in my book, which gives a detailed account of the disintegration of one man, one representing many thousands.

[Marianne Azizi] Give us a little bit of background into your situation.

[Rick Myers] From 1996 until January 2000 I worked in Israel as an expatriate managing a construction project for Intel. My company is based out of Portland Oregon. During my time in Israel, I met Ranya and we eventually married in 1998. Our first son, Dean, was born in September 1999 and then we relocated back to the USA for another project in Arizona.

In 2002, we moved back to Portland, Oregon, and later that year Ranya became pregnant with our second son, Adi.

In February 2003 she asked to go back to Israel to be with her family and deliver our son there, and I said OK. Our son was born in July 2003. I flew there several times to be with them and the more I discussed plans on her return, the more she seemed to resist and wanted to stay longer. After two and a half years of this, she simply refused to return even for a visit.

I am convinced this was the plan all along and that she was coached by an attorney. She didn’t seem to care whether I moved back or not, but what was most important was that the support cheques kept coming and I frequently got requests for increases to the point where I could not afford it.

I finally filed for divorce in Israel, as I was told categorically that was where I had to file if I wanted custody rights to my sons. This is what I did and the story turns sideways from there. I did get an Israeli court order that provided me with parental rights to my sons in Israel and America, but that became worthless once her lawyers petitioned a judge to slap me with a No Exit Order.

[Question] What exactly is a No Exit Order?

[Answer] It is a court order preventing someone from leaving Israel. They are easy to obtain but almost impossible to lift. Israeli law is specific with respect to No exit Orders on foreigners. They must not be used on foreigners to secure support but that’s exactly what happened to me and I was stuck in the country for over five weeks and my job in America was in jeopardy.

At this point her lawyers began taunting me and threatening that I would not be allowed to leave Israel unless I agreed to pay whatever amount they demanded, if I ever wanted to get out. At the time, they told my they would accept USD 300,000 lump sum to be paid out immediately and then USD 6,000 per month support until my sons were 18.

They knew I didn’t have the money and also knew my monthly income wouldn’t support these payments, but demanded I get it from my parents who were retired. They even had the balls to suggest my parents sell their Motorhome to get the money!

I had two hearings regarding the No Exit Order and the judge eventually ruled I had to pay a security deposit of USD 100,000 before they would allow me to leave. Not having the money and not being able to support myself in Israel, I found a way out illegally and now cannot go back until I am legally allowed freedom of travel in and out of that country.

An Oregon Judge later ruled that Israel’s treatment of me may have violated my constitutional rights.

[Q] Why didn’t you go to the US Embassy for help at the time?

[A] I did get some help from the US government after I left, but it botched a welfare visit and two embassy officials were arrested. Needless to say, they decided they could no longer help me. They wouldn’t do anything for me when I was trapped as they claimed they couldn’t get involved in “domestic issues”. I have since learned the government travel warnings indicate that, for US citizens travelling to Israel, they are at potential risk of being involuntarily held against their will. Obviously, those warnings absolve the US from helping its own people to be freed.

 

[Hollie]

The famous No Exit Order. It's like a trap.
Israelis threatened with jail if they try to leave

The brutality of domestic family laws in Israel has taken more lives than armed conflict. But among the living there is still a sense of despair and desperation as people continue to battle with poverty, parental alienation and a system so corrupted by greed it takes one’s breath away.

Where are the headlines? Where is the indignation of a society which doesn’t even blink when another person is found hanging or has jumped from a building, no longer able to cope with a system which must be exposed for what it really is? It is a money making machine.

Below is an interview with an American citizen, Rick Myers of the state of Oregon, who fell foul of Israeli extortion and has suffered every single day for almost eight years. He is not the only one: there are many foreigners with similar stories, and many thousands of Israelis trapped against their will in the country. He is also in my book, which gives a detailed account of the disintegration of one man, one representing many thousands.

[Marianne Azizi] Give us a little bit of background into your situation.

[Rick Myers] From 1996 until January 2000 I worked in Israel as an expatriate managing a construction project for Intel. My company is based out of Portland Oregon. During my time in Israel, I met Ranya and we eventually married in 1998. Our first son, Dean, was born in September 1999 and then we relocated back to the USA for another project in Arizona.

In 2002, we moved back to Portland, Oregon, and later that year Ranya became pregnant with our second son, Adi.

In February 2003 she asked to go back to Israel to be with her family and deliver our son there, and I said OK. Our son was born in July 2003. I flew there several times to be with them and the more I discussed plans on her return, the more she seemed to resist and wanted to stay longer. After two and a half years of this, she simply refused to return even for a visit.

I am convinced this was the plan all along and that she was coached by an attorney. She didn’t seem to care whether I moved back or not, but what was most important was that the support cheques kept coming and I frequently got requests for increases to the point where I could not afford it.

I finally filed for divorce in Israel, as I was told categorically that was where I had to file if I wanted custody rights to my sons. This is what I did and the story turns sideways from there. I did get an Israeli court order that provided me with parental rights to my sons in Israel and America, but that became worthless once her lawyers petitioned a judge to slap me with a No Exit Order.

[Question] What exactly is a No Exit Order?

[Answer] It is a court order preventing someone from leaving Israel. They are easy to obtain but almost impossible to lift. Israeli law is specific with respect to No exit Orders on foreigners. They must not be used on foreigners to secure support but that’s exactly what happened to me and I was stuck in the country for over five weeks and my job in America was in jeopardy.

At this point her lawyers began taunting me and threatening that I would not be allowed to leave Israel unless I agreed to pay whatever amount they demanded, if I ever wanted to get out. At the time, they told my they would accept USD 300,000 lump sum to be paid out immediately and then USD 6,000 per month support until my sons were 18.

They knew I didn’t have the money and also knew my monthly income wouldn’t support these payments, but demanded I get it from my parents who were retired. They even had the balls to suggest my parents sell their Motorhome to get the money!

I had two hearings regarding the No Exit Order and the judge eventually ruled I had to pay a security deposit of USD 100,000 before they would allow me to leave. Not having the money and not being able to support myself in Israel, I found a way out illegally and now cannot go back until I am legally allowed freedom of travel in and out of that country.

An Oregon Judge later ruled that Israel’s treatment of me may have violated my constitutional rights.

[Q] Why didn’t you go to the US Embassy for help at the time?

[A] I did get some help from the US government after I left, but it botched a welfare visit and two embassy officials were arrested. Needless to say, they decided they could no longer help me. They wouldn’t do anything for me when I was trapped as they claimed they couldn’t get involved in “domestic issues”. I have since learned the government travel warnings indicate that, for US citizens travelling to Israel, they are at potential risk of being involuntarily held against their will. Obviously, those warnings absolve the US from helping its own people to be freed.

Ahh. You're cutting and pasting from "redress online".

Yes, ladies and gentlemen. There are times when it is appropriate to point and laugh.

 

[aris2chat]

The famous No Exit Order. It's like a trap.
Israelis threatened with jail if they try to leave

The brutality of domestic family laws in Israel has taken more lives than armed conflict. But among the living there is still a sense of despair and desperation as people continue to battle with poverty, parental alienation and a system so corrupted by greed it takes one’s breath away.

Where are the headlines? Where is the indignation of a society which doesn’t even blink when another person is found hanging or has jumped from a building, no longer able to cope with a system which must be exposed for what it really is? It is a money making machine.

Below is an interview with an American citizen, Rick Myers of the state of Oregon, who fell foul of Israeli extortion and has suffered every single day for almost eight years. He is not the only one: there are many foreigners with similar stories, and many thousands of Israelis trapped against their will in the country. He is also in my book, which gives a detailed account of the disintegration of one man, one representing many thousands.

[Marianne Azizi] Give us a little bit of background into your situation.

[Rick Myers] From 1996 until January 2000 I worked in Israel as an expatriate managing a construction project for Intel. My company is based out of Portland Oregon. During my time in Israel, I met Ranya and we eventually married in 1998. Our first son, Dean, was born in September 1999 and then we relocated back to the USA for another project in Arizona.

In 2002, we moved back to Portland, Oregon, and later that year Ranya became pregnant with our second son, Adi.

In February 2003 she asked to go back to Israel to be with her family and deliver our son there, and I said OK. Our son was born in July 2003. I flew there several times to be with them and the more I discussed plans on her return, the more she seemed to resist and wanted to stay longer. After two and a half years of this, she simply refused to return even for a visit.

I am convinced this was the plan all along and that she was coached by an attorney. She didn’t seem to care whether I moved back or not, but what was most important was that the support cheques kept coming and I frequently got requests for increases to the point where I could not afford it.

I finally filed for divorce in Israel, as I was told categorically that was where I had to file if I wanted custody rights to my sons. This is what I did and the story turns sideways from there. I did get an Israeli court order that provided me with parental rights to my sons in Israel and America, but that became worthless once her lawyers petitioned a judge to slap me with a No Exit Order.

[Question] What exactly is a No Exit Order?

[Answer] It is a court order preventing someone from leaving Israel. They are easy to obtain but almost impossible to lift. Israeli law is specific with respect to No exit Orders on foreigners. They must not be used on foreigners to secure support but that’s exactly what happened to me and I was stuck in the country for over five weeks and my job in America was in jeopardy.

At this point her lawyers began taunting me and threatening that I would not be allowed to leave Israel unless I agreed to pay whatever amount they demanded, if I ever wanted to get out. At the time, they told my they would accept USD 300,000 lump sum to be paid out immediately and then USD 6,000 per month support until my sons were 18.

They knew I didn’t have the money and also knew my monthly income wouldn’t support these payments, but demanded I get it from my parents who were retired. They even had the balls to suggest my parents sell their Motorhome to get the money!

I had two hearings regarding the No Exit Order and the judge eventually ruled I had to pay a security deposit of USD 100,000 before they would allow me to leave. Not having the money and not being able to support myself in Israel, I found a way out illegally and now cannot go back until I am legally allowed freedom of travel in and out of that country.

An Oregon Judge later ruled that Israel’s treatment of me may have violated my constitutional rights.

[Q] Why didn’t you go to the US Embassy for help at the time?

[A] I did get some help from the US government after I left, but it botched a welfare visit and two embassy officials were arrested. Needless to say, they decided they could no longer help me. They wouldn’t do anything for me when I was trapped as they claimed they couldn’t get involved in “domestic issues”. I have since learned the government travel warnings indicate that, for US citizens travelling to Israel, they are at potential risk of being involuntarily held against their will. Obviously, those warnings absolve the US from helping its own people to be freed.

Ahh. You're cutting and pasting from "redress online".

Yes, ladies and gentlemen. There are times when it is appropriate to point and laugh.

most of his sources are laughable, questionable or out right wrong

 

[Boston1]

I love this kinda nonsense

So Israel has "brutal" family laws.

So whats this about honor killings ??????

Seems to me that the itinerant Arab Muslims in Israel are slaughtering their own children because, oh, say, she wore makeup, or maybe dated a Jewish kid.

So please to explain just how its the Israeli's who have the more "brutal" family laws ;--)

 

[Hossfly]

Marianne Azizi's views of the politics of Israel has altered dramatically since her challenge in Geneva at the UNHRC to try and change a law in Israel. She is a journalist and a campaigner for human rights and specialist in injustice in "israeli" society and family!

Has this Marianne Azizi ever addressed the problem of honor killings of females in the family by "Palestinian" fathers and sons If not, why should she be talking about Israeli family laws?
Upsurge in Palestinian 'honour killings'

 

[jillian]

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

it's what he's here for... to spread anti-Semitism.

 

[jillian]

Marianne Azizi's views of the politics of Israel has altered dramatically since her challenge in Geneva at the UNHRC to try and change a law in Israel. She is a journalist and a campaigner for human rights and specialist in injustice in "israeli" society and family!

Has this Marianne Azizi ever addressed the problem of honor killings of females in the family by "Palestinian" fathers and sons If not, why should she be talking about Israeli family laws?
Upsurge in Palestinian 'honour killings'

she might want to talk about female genital mutilation in muslim countries, too.

but why would she do that?

and if she did, loser o/p wouldn't bother posting it.

 

[Phoenall]

Don't you have any real rebuttal?

To what an unsubstantiated novel that has no gounding in reality and truth ?

I responded to the other idiot hon.

Tough if you only want to respond to one person then PM them, put it on the board and it is open to all to respond

 

[Phoenall]

and the abuses and injustice of families in the muslim world?

child labor?

minorities?

slavery?

terrorism?

Ah,
Aris2cake who try to avoid the subject!

No who puts the other side of the argument that you wont because it shows the muslims to be hypocrites, and you are king amongst them as shown by your posts

american christians have publicly squandered any credibility related to critiquing others on hypocrisy.

And you are way of the mark as niether me nor aris are Americans, making you the one with no credibility

 

[Phoenall]

Don't you have any real rebuttal?

Why would anyone feel an obligation to rebut a YouTube video? Apparently, Freeman has unlimited time to spend scouring the web for his cutting and pasting. You obviously missed it but he is never able to defend his cutting and pasting except to cut and paste something unrelated as his his first cut and paste is challenged.... just as his usual pattern of behavior is displayed in this thread.

Why would the poster feel an obligation to respond then? Pavlovian.

To show just how easy it is to dupe someone who is brainwashed into believing. In this case a muslim that does not even know his own religious commands and just scours the net looking for anything to demonise the Jews. Any other country would have banned hiom for racism by now.