Israel a State of Terror.
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ForeverYoung436
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I don't know. Why speculate? There's alot happening right now. Daniel (Israel) is in the lions' den.
I will attempt to respond to Curious Dan. I think that your actual question is---
what would have happened if the vote in the UN did not support the statehood of
Israel? right? ok good topic for discussion At that time----there
was a kind of defacto "Israel" already in existence. People, schools, hospitals,
-----and a kind of CAUSE the cause being Zionism. I truly believe that the
situation would have been almost the same----but bloodier and a kind of
festering problem------like THE BASQUES OF SPAIN. The jews would see themselves
as a nation in the Middle east-----but Israel would not be recognized as a state----like
the Basques. The situation with the KURDS --in Iraq today bears some resemblance
to the basque situation. A bigger question for jews would have been what would happen
to the OTHER jews in the world----the ones who later migrated to the established state---
from arab lands and Russia and Ethiopia etc. My impression is ---jews would
have continued as jews but with no refuge from oppression other than places
that were much better----like the USA----or places that were a bad but a bit
better than ----for example shariah cesspits.
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Hello sock. Jews have proven their tolerance, Muslims, not so much.
There was no Israel back in 1947 so why would the UN have a vote on it.
As for the second part of your question they would be forced to live as slaves and face being killed every day. So they would try and secure passage elsewhere
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Phoenall, the U.N. voted in 1947 to partition what was then the territory of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, which led to the creation of the State of Israel. I think that's what the OP is talking about.
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I think that possibility began fading in 1929, and most certainly gone by 1935.
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Israel declared itself in 1947, by David Ben Gurion, in Tel Aviv since Jerusalem was under siege, the day the British left..few days later the 'Independence War' or 'Nakba War' started.
The U.N. vote passed by 33 states to establish a state for the Jewish by the name Israel - Skip the boundaries for now - several days before the declaration, the Arab Legions declared war within few days and attacked Israel in order to achieve all the land for themselves.
there is the conflict in 1 minute.
The U.N. vote passed by 33 states to establish a state for the Jewish by the name Israel - Skip the boundaries for now - several days before the declaration, the Arab Legions declared war within few days and attacked Israel in order to achieve all the land for themselves.
there is the conflict in 1 minute.
amity1844
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Its one of those things that couldn't happen in the world today.
In those days most of the independent nations in the world were white European nations and favored (European) Jewish interests over Arab.
The Zionists just wanted the land without the people. The plans were stated back in the late 19th century (waaaay before 1920s, as other posters are trying to make you think...). The Zionists wanted a state with a Jewish majority and the only way was to get rid of most of the native inhabitants. On the eve of the proposed enactment of the two UN-mandated states, the Jewish population was a small minority and owned very little land, few businesses, little agricultural produce, minimal infrastructure, etc. Zionism had not really been a success up to that point. The Zionists did, however, have much better and more numerous arms, so they went to war. The war had the dual benefit of expelling the Palestinian population while also awakening western Jewish interest in Zionism and, also initiated a pattern of claiming "they'll destroy us! They'll throw us into the sea!" while the reality proves quite the opposite.
Here's a nice montage that provides the facts of what the Zionists were dealing with demographically and geographically:
In those days most of the independent nations in the world were white European nations and favored (European) Jewish interests over Arab.
The Zionists just wanted the land without the people. The plans were stated back in the late 19th century (waaaay before 1920s, as other posters are trying to make you think...). The Zionists wanted a state with a Jewish majority and the only way was to get rid of most of the native inhabitants. On the eve of the proposed enactment of the two UN-mandated states, the Jewish population was a small minority and owned very little land, few businesses, little agricultural produce, minimal infrastructure, etc. Zionism had not really been a success up to that point. The Zionists did, however, have much better and more numerous arms, so they went to war. The war had the dual benefit of expelling the Palestinian population while also awakening western Jewish interest in Zionism and, also initiated a pattern of claiming "they'll destroy us! They'll throw us into the sea!" while the reality proves quite the opposite.
Here's a nice montage that provides the facts of what the Zionists were dealing with demographically and geographically:
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the video is a bunch of pictures with highly misleading captions. Pictures with
misleading captions is a technique very much used in islamo Nazi pig
propaganda----the technique seems to me to be developed by Nazi war criminals
who found refuge from the Nuremburg trials in Syria and Egypt---The reason
I state that because it was a technique I saw in the islamo Nazi pig propaganda
which was made in Germany in the 1930s as well as the stuff made in Syria and
Egypt and south america post world war II.
in the pictures presented----one of the issues many many issues I noted was the
claim that the jewish population in Palestine was swelled up by EUROPEAN
jews-----actually not entirely true----lots of the population consisted of jews
--even during the 1800s of jews who had fled the filth of shariah cesspit
oppression. As to the pictures----there is really no way of knowing who
those people are-----in the 1800s---they could have been muslims, Christians
or jews----and even the families (nicely pictures in their nice houses) of
Turkish officials As to the agriculture----it was actually quite dismal---
dependent on the labor of tenant farmers under the control (and whip) of
Turkish overlords. Malnutrition was rampant as well as disease---unrelieved.
Cholera, Tuberculosis, Shistosomiasis Polio, Malaria, The situation with
farming was so difficult that turks were delighted to sell land to jews----which is
actually a violation of ISLAMIC LAW<<< one of the reasons arabs hate the
turks By the second half of the 19th century----"arab villages" ---were largely
shanty towns consisting of mud floor huts near developing jewish cities like
Rishon L'tzion and Tel Aviv----and largely jewish cities like Jerusalem and
Safed The islamo Nazi propaganda pictures-----of happy people----are most
likely pictures of jews and Christians with some of the Christians being families
of missionaries ---do not let the garb confuse you-----jews from arab countries
dressed like that too----and to some extent---eastern orthodox type people.
Descriptions of Jerusalem in the 1800s invariably include starving arab children lining
the streets----often sick and abandoned
misleading captions is a technique very much used in islamo Nazi pig
propaganda----the technique seems to me to be developed by Nazi war criminals
who found refuge from the Nuremburg trials in Syria and Egypt---The reason
I state that because it was a technique I saw in the islamo Nazi pig propaganda
which was made in Germany in the 1930s as well as the stuff made in Syria and
Egypt and south america post world war II.
in the pictures presented----one of the issues many many issues I noted was the
claim that the jewish population in Palestine was swelled up by EUROPEAN
jews-----actually not entirely true----lots of the population consisted of jews
--even during the 1800s of jews who had fled the filth of shariah cesspit
oppression. As to the pictures----there is really no way of knowing who
those people are-----in the 1800s---they could have been muslims, Christians
or jews----and even the families (nicely pictures in their nice houses) of
Turkish officials As to the agriculture----it was actually quite dismal---
dependent on the labor of tenant farmers under the control (and whip) of
Turkish overlords. Malnutrition was rampant as well as disease---unrelieved.
Cholera, Tuberculosis, Shistosomiasis Polio, Malaria, The situation with
farming was so difficult that turks were delighted to sell land to jews----which is
actually a violation of ISLAMIC LAW<<< one of the reasons arabs hate the
turks By the second half of the 19th century----"arab villages" ---were largely
shanty towns consisting of mud floor huts near developing jewish cities like
Rishon L'tzion and Tel Aviv----and largely jewish cities like Jerusalem and
Safed The islamo Nazi propaganda pictures-----of happy people----are most
likely pictures of jews and Christians with some of the Christians being families
of missionaries ---do not let the garb confuse you-----jews from arab countries
dressed like that too----and to some extent---eastern orthodox type people.
Descriptions of Jerusalem in the 1800s invariably include starving arab children lining
the streets----often sick and abandoned
amity1844
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Irosie uses a LOT of words to try to slander a film that embarrasses her no doubt, but that has nothing to do with Islamonazis (whatever that is) or shariah law or Nuremberg (the Nazis went to South America, but you couldn't expect irosie to know that... ) We know these people are Arabs by the way they are dressed, because of notations on the pictures, and in most instances because the pictures came out of the family albums of their descendants and we know who they are....
But poor irosie has a vested interest in believing Zionist propaganda about how "dismal" Palestine was, massive amounts of evidence to the contrary. In the next breath she will tell us all these people living in several hundred year old buildings were really "squatters."
But poor irosie has a vested interest in believing Zionist propaganda about how "dismal" Palestine was, massive amounts of evidence to the contrary. In the next breath she will tell us all these people living in several hundred year old buildings were really "squatters."
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Wealthy Jews were buying land from Arabs.
The Arabs who sold the land for MONEY had to evict their fellow Arabs.
The land was given by these wealthy Jews to poorer Jews to live on and cultivate.
That must have caused great emotional pain to the Arabs because they don't help each other at all.
Legal transactions suck, right Amity?
proudveteran06
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No. Just look at the overall history of AntiSemitism and violence in the Arab World
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Yawn ... You are " right" What should matter to her is that Israel exists and " Palestine" does not.
amity1844
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... he means in Europe.
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That did surely happen some, but not nearly as frequently as you apparently wish to believe. That is the reason Zionists were "draining malarial swamps" and doing admittedly clever things with undesirable land, is that wasteland was all they could buy. Palestinians were unwilling to sell the land that had been sustenance to them for so long. And even so, on the eve of the partition plan Jews owned approximately 7% of the land, even though they were over 30% of the population. That is why they had to go to war to acquire land.
Why don't you stop pretending that you know what other people are thinking, Hostility?
a very important issue in the filth of islamo Nazism is the claim by the islamo Nazi
pigs that anti Semitism did not exist in muslim/arab countries ----kinda funny---
I have often OFFERED to the islamo Nazi pigs-----"ok----arab muslim can live in
Israel facing the laws of DHIMMIA------whenever I make that offer----arab muslims
accuse me of HATING MUSLIMS. I reiterate the offer------ONE COUNTRY with dhimmia for the muslims
pigs that anti Semitism did not exist in muslim/arab countries ----kinda funny---
I have often OFFERED to the islamo Nazi pigs-----"ok----arab muslim can live in
Israel facing the laws of DHIMMIA------whenever I make that offer----arab muslims
accuse me of HATING MUSLIMS. I reiterate the offer------ONE COUNTRY with dhimmia for the muslims
freedombecki
Let's go swimmin'!
Yep! The clincher to that truth is the beheading sword used by Muslims.
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