Is THIS what conservatives mean when they boast about American 'exceptionalism'?

[Bfgrn]

The liberal side of America is "exceptional". That's where all the technology, scientific discoveries, art and culture come from. When other countries copy our culture, they don't copy conservative Americans. Those people they fear, and rightly so.

Go ahead righties, call me a liar, but we both know it's true.

You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.

Al Gore never said he did.

 

[Sallow]

The liberal side of America is "exceptional". That's where all the technology, scientific discoveries, art and culture come from. When other countries copy our culture, they don't copy conservative Americans. Those people they fear, and rightly so.

Go ahead righties, call me a liar, but we both know it's true.

You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.

Al Gore never said he did.

Nope..but he made jokes about it..which was stupid.

In any case..the guys that actually did "code" the internet..gave him award for his help in getting government funding.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And when liberals condemn atrocities like this, is that why conservatives label us traitors and UN-American?

WikiLeaks Documents Detail Rape, Abuse, Murder

Among the details from the approximately 400,000, collected from field reports sent in by American units in the field between 2004 and 2009, and leaked to the news outlets are that:

- U.S. authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and even murder by Iraqi police and soldiers whose conduct appears to be systematic and normally unpunished.

- Americans often turned a blind eye to Iraqis being tortured and abused by other Iraqis in secret prisons.

- Iran's military - to a further extent than previously known - intervened aggressively in support of Shiite combatants, offering weapons, training and sanctuary.

- A U.S. helicopter gunship involved in a notorious Baghdad incident had previously killed Iraqi insurgents after they tried to surrender.

- According to one tabulation, there have been 100,000 civilian causalities - greater than the numbers previously made public, many of them killed by American troops but most of them were killed by other Iraqis.

WikiLeaks Documents Detail Rape, Abuse, Murder - World Watch - CBS News

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

I knew this would come up sooner or later. Congratulations on finding the dumbest possible way to introduce the topic.

Yea, Hitler's atrocities came up sooner or later too you asshole.

Congratulations, you have the Obama talking points down. Republicans = Hitler. After that no one can possibly vote Republican.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

in terms of aid to % of GDP , we aren't even close to the most generous

Does your calculation include non government aid?

 

[hipeter924]

I knew this would come up sooner or later. Congratulations on finding the dumbest possible way to introduce the topic.

Yea, Hitler's atrocities came up sooner or later too you asshole.

Congratulations, you have the Obama talking points down. Republicans = Hitler. After that no one can possibly vote Republican.

And even worse with many Democrats now raving Jew haters it's an oxymoron.

 

[Bfgrn]

And when liberals condemn atrocities like this, is that why conservatives label us traitors and UN-American?

Nobody is labeling anyone who condemns those atrocities as Traitors. Some on the right have labeled the Leaker a traitor, and under they law they may be right.

But I have not heard one single Righty Label anyone who condemns the atrocities the leaks brought to light as traitors. Just the people who violated the law and leaked the documents.

Tell that to Army Spc. Joseph Darby

In his farewell address at the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld said that the worst day of his nearly six years as secretary of Defense was the disclosure to the world of the photographs of the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Those pictures might never have been known were it not for Joseph Darby, then a specialist with the Army's 372nd Military Police Company at Guantanamo Bay. Because his moral code told him "it had to stop," Darby may never be able to return home to Maryland.

While still at Guantanamo, Darby, in fear of retaliation, slept with a gun under his pillow. The Army brought him back to the United States ahead of his unit. Back home in Cumberland, Md., the whistleblower was a pariah. The commander of the local Veterans of Foreign Wars post, Colin Engelbach, told "60 Minutes" Darby was "a rat. He was a traitor. He let his unit down, he let his fellow soldiers down."

Darby heard that in Cumberland, "my parents' friends, my grandparents' friends turned against me." His wife, Bernadette, heard people there say that her husband was "a dead man ... walking around with a bull's-eye on his head."

When he arrived at Dover Air Force base, with his wife there to meet him, the Army told Darby it wasn't safe for him to go back to Cumberland, adding: "You can probably never go home." Indeed, reported Cooper, "the Army's security assessment had concluded: 'The overall threat of criminal activity to the Darbys is imminent. A person could fire into the residence from the roadway.' "

WHERE ARE THEY?

Darby, who left the Army recently, and his wife miss their home. Their current residence is secret. "It's not fair," Bernadette Darby told the New York Daily News. "We're being punished for (his) doing the right thing."

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The liberal side of America is "exceptional". That's where all the technology, scientific discoveries, art and culture come from. When other countries copy our culture, they don't copy conservative Americans. Those people they fear, and rightly so.

Go ahead righties, call me a liar, but we both know it's true.

Let me guess, you think Al Gore invented the internet.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Which technology and culture came from the state?

Just about everything.

Why the very interwebs we are on now..

Which state was that?

 

[Ragnar]

Is THIS what conservatives mean when they boast about American 'exceptionalism'?

No.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The liberal side of America is "exceptional". That's where all the technology, scientific discoveries, art and culture come from. When other countries copy our culture, they don't copy conservative Americans. Those people they fear, and rightly so.

Go ahead righties, call me a liar, but we both know it's true.

You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.

Al Gore never said he did.

Nope, he just created it.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco[/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You are right rdean; cause your hero Al Gore did invent the internet.

Al Gore never said he did.

Nope..but he made jokes about it..which was stupid.

In any case..the guys that actually did "code" the internet..gave him award for his help in getting government funding.

That was not a joke.

 

[Bfgrn]

I knew this would come up sooner or later. Congratulations on finding the dumbest possible way to introduce the topic.

Yea, Hitler's atrocities came up sooner or later too you asshole.

Congratulations, you have the Obama talking points down. Republicans = Hitler. After that no one can possibly vote Republican.

Listen you phony 'classic liberal' lying sack of shit. I was saying the same things back in 2002 and 2003, from the beginning of Bush's lying intel run-up to his Hirohito sneak attack in 2003, before anyone knew who Barack Obama was.

Condemning atrocities are not enough. It's TOO LATE. Intelligent people understand that atrocities IS the definition of war.

Yea, this is just like NOW all the 'conservatives' SAY they spoke out against Bush spending like a drunken sailor. Many, many, many more liberals than conservatives were against the immoral invasion of Iraq, Gitmo and torture.

I spent many a nights arguing with conservatives and Republicans on other message boards all during the war, I was called every name in the book, from anti-American, bleeding heart, liberal wimp, to being a traitor because I was against the invasion of Iraq, Gitmo and torture & I spoke out against atrocities that occurred. I can count on one hand the conservatives over all those years who were against the war.

Here is something I posted a number of years ago after 'Shock & Awe' and then the 'Mission accomplished' fiasco...why don't you show me how YOU spoke out you fucking windbag?
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Just shock, no awe

The people of America looked on in AWE from the comfort of their homes.

The people of Iraq sought comfort from the SHOCK and grief of searching the rubble for remnants of their homes and loved ones!

America’s billion dollar war machine annihilated Iraq’s military; sons and fathers forced to serve under a man they had no allegiance to. But, we gave them a choice; their executioner: the US war machine or Saddam.

But even with billion dollar war machines, there are the residuals: innocent mothers, children, infants, nieces and nephews, neighbors, teachers, store owners and bus drivers. Every Iraqi lost someone they loved or knew.

NOW Americans wonder WHY the people of Iraq didn’t place flowers in the end of our rifles. We were told this would be a “cakewalk” and we would be welcomed as liberators!

We destroyed ANY chance of success in Iraq when we wiped out the Iraq Army. THEY WERE the trained security the government of Iraq can not provide.

I recall the sickening images of human beings being blown to 1000 pieces by helicopter cannons. AWE!! America says. WE ARE good at this killing stuff. Americans wondered if X-BOX 360 will come out with THIS game in time for junior’s Christmas.

Maybe the President can send his mother to smooth things over. "They're underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them"

Now a million good citizens of Iraq flee at a rate of 3,000 per day!!! (AP)

This horrible war and conditions that were BETTER under Saddam drive them from their homeland!


”Mission accomplished?”

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I think it’s just crazy. It's part of that worldview that led us to where we are. Think about it. The United States went and negotiated with and supported Saddam Hussein himself against Iran under this notion that sometimes my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That emboldened Saddam Hussein and allowed him to invade Kuwait. It made us go to war that we did not finish and did not take Saddam Hussein out.
Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) 12/11/06 (The Hill)

 

[hipeter924]

The liberal side of America is "exceptional". That's where all the technology, scientific discoveries, art and culture come from. When other countries copy our culture, they don't copy conservative Americans. Those people they fear, and rightly so.

Go ahead righties, call me a liar, but we both know it's true.

Let me guess, you think Al Gore invented the internet.

 

[Charles_Main]

And when liberals condemn atrocities like this, is that why conservatives label us traitors and UN-American?

Nobody is labeling anyone who condemns those atrocities as Traitors. Some on the right have labeled the Leaker a traitor, and under they law they may be right.

But I have not heard one single Righty Label anyone who condemns the atrocities the leaks brought to light as traitors. Just the people who violated the law and leaked the documents.

Tell that to Army Spc. Joseph Darby

In his farewell address at the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld said that the worst day of his nearly six years as secretary of Defense was the disclosure to the world of the photographs of the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Those pictures might never have been known were it not for Joseph Darby, then a specialist with the Army's 372nd Military Police Company at Guantanamo Bay. Because his moral code told him "it had to stop," Darby may never be able to return home to Maryland.

While still at Guantanamo, Darby, in fear of retaliation, slept with a gun under his pillow. The Army brought him back to the United States ahead of his unit. Back home in Cumberland, Md., the whistleblower was a pariah. The commander of the local Veterans of Foreign Wars post, Colin Engelbach, told "60 Minutes" Darby was "a rat. He was a traitor. He let his unit down, he let his fellow soldiers down."

Darby heard that in Cumberland, "my parents' friends, my grandparents' friends turned against me." His wife, Bernadette, heard people there say that her husband was "a dead man ... walking around with a bull's-eye on his head."

When he arrived at Dover Air Force base, with his wife there to meet him, the Army told Darby it wasn't safe for him to go back to Cumberland, adding: "You can probably never go home." Indeed, reported Cooper, "the Army's security assessment had concluded: 'The overall threat of criminal activity to the Darbys is imminent. A person could fire into the residence from the roadway.' "

WHERE ARE THEY?

Darby, who left the Army recently, and his wife miss their home. Their current residence is secret. "It's not fair," Bernadette Darby told the New York Daily News. "We're being punished for (his) doing the right thing."

you just confirmed what I said. Darby Leaked secret documents. Technically an act of Treason. All I said was I had not heard anyone on the right Condemn all the people who think the Atrocities exposed by the leak as Traitors. I had only heard some of them Condemn the person who violated the law to leak them.

 

[Bfgrn]

Nobody is labeling anyone who condemns those atrocities as Traitors. Some on the right have labeled the Leaker a traitor, and under they law they may be right.

But I have not heard one single Righty Label anyone who condemns the atrocities the leaks brought to light as traitors. Just the people who violated the law and leaked the documents.

Tell that to Army Spc. Joseph Darby

In his farewell address at the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld said that the worst day of his nearly six years as secretary of Defense was the disclosure to the world of the photographs of the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Those pictures might never have been known were it not for Joseph Darby, then a specialist with the Army's 372nd Military Police Company at Guantanamo Bay. Because his moral code told him "it had to stop," Darby may never be able to return home to Maryland.

While still at Guantanamo, Darby, in fear of retaliation, slept with a gun under his pillow. The Army brought him back to the United States ahead of his unit. Back home in Cumberland, Md., the whistleblower was a pariah. The commander of the local Veterans of Foreign Wars post, Colin Engelbach, told "60 Minutes" Darby was "a rat. He was a traitor. He let his unit down, he let his fellow soldiers down."

Darby heard that in Cumberland, "my parents' friends, my grandparents' friends turned against me." His wife, Bernadette, heard people there say that her husband was "a dead man ... walking around with a bull's-eye on his head."

When he arrived at Dover Air Force base, with his wife there to meet him, the Army told Darby it wasn't safe for him to go back to Cumberland, adding: "You can probably never go home." Indeed, reported Cooper, "the Army's security assessment had concluded: 'The overall threat of criminal activity to the Darbys is imminent. A person could fire into the residence from the roadway.' "

WHERE ARE THEY?

Darby, who left the Army recently, and his wife miss their home. Their current residence is secret. "It's not fair," Bernadette Darby told the New York Daily News. "We're being punished for (his) doing the right thing."

you just confirmed what I said. Darby Leaked secret documents. Technically an act of Treason. All I said was I had not heard anyone on the right Condemn all the people who think the Atrocities exposed by the leak as Traitors. I had only heard some of them Condemn the person who violated the law to leak them.

Why don't you try educating yourself before you condemn a man? Army Spc. Joseph Darby leaked NO secret documents.

In January 2004, Darby provided a compact disc of photographs and an anonymous note to Special Agent Tyler Pieron of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, who was stationed at Abu Ghraib Prison, triggering an investigation which led to the implication of several soldiers violating the Geneva Convention. Darby initially wanted to remain anonymous, and had been assured of anonymity — he and those implicated all served in the 372nd Military Police Company, but became known after Donald Rumsfeld publicly named him during a Senate hearing. Darby had agonized for a month beforehand, but finally decided to blow the whistle on his former friends explaining "It violated everything I personally believed in and all I'd been taught about the rules of war."

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why don't you try educating yourself before you condemn a man? Army Spc. Joseph Darby leaked NO secret documents.

In January 2004, Darby provided a compact disc of photographs and an anonymous note to Special Agent Tyler Pieron of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, who was stationed at Abu Ghraib Prison, triggering an investigation which led to the implication of several soldiers violating the Geneva Convention. Darby initially wanted to remain anonymous, and had been assured of anonymity — he and those implicated all served in the 372nd Military Police Company, but became known after Donald Rumsfeld publicly named him during a Senate hearing. Darby had agonized for a month beforehand, but finally decided to blow the whistle on his former friends explaining "It violated everything I personally believed in and all I'd been taught about the rules of war."

Yep.

He ratted out a bunch of cops who were breaking the law, and is a pariah because of it. He crossed the Blue Line.

Nice of you to blame this on the Army though. Being the person you are, you probably haven't educated yourself to the extent that you would know that the regular Army thinks that reserve units are their biggest problem in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The worst are the ones that are police officers in civilian life, because they are trained to think like cops instead of soldiers. Do a little research on the militarization of police before you blame the Army for what cops did.

More Militarized Than the Military - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And when liberals condemn atrocities like this, is that why conservatives label us traitors and UN-American?

WikiLeaks Documents Detail Rape, Abuse, Murder

Among the details from the approximately 400,000, collected from field reports sent in by American units in the field between 2004 and 2009, and leaked to the news outlets are that:

- U.S. authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and even murder by Iraqi police and soldiers whose conduct appears to be systematic and normally unpunished.

- Americans often turned a blind eye to Iraqis being tortured and abused by other Iraqis in secret prisons.

- Iran's military - to a further extent than previously known - intervened aggressively in support of Shiite combatants, offering weapons, training and sanctuary.

- A U.S. helicopter gunship involved in a notorious Baghdad incident had previously killed Iraqi insurgents after they tried to surrender.

- According to one tabulation, there have been 100,000 civilian causalities - greater than the numbers previously made public, many of them killed by American troops but most of them were killed by other Iraqis.

WikiLeaks Documents Detail Rape, Abuse, Murder - World Watch - CBS News

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

I knew this would come up sooner or later. Congratulations on finding the dumbest possible way to introduce the topic.

Yea, Hitler's atrocities came up sooner or later too you asshole.

Why do Progressives like John Murtha and Bfgrn call our troops "cold blooded killers" and Nazis?

Why?

 

[Sallow]

Al Gore never said he did.

Nope..but he made jokes about it..which was stupid.

In any case..the guys that actually did "code" the internet..gave him award for his help in getting government funding.

That was not a joke.

No..actually..he was making jokes about it..and reminding people that idiots were misquoting him. It backfired.

And flew right over the part that the people who really DID "invent" the internet, gave him an award. Whooosh.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Was Gore joking about discovering Love Canal, or that he was the inspiration for "Love Story"?

 

[Bfgrn]

Why don't you try educating yourself before you condemn a man? Army Spc. Joseph Darby leaked NO secret documents.

In January 2004, Darby provided a compact disc of photographs and an anonymous note to Special Agent Tyler Pieron of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, who was stationed at Abu Ghraib Prison, triggering an investigation which led to the implication of several soldiers violating the Geneva Convention. Darby initially wanted to remain anonymous, and had been assured of anonymity — he and those implicated all served in the 372nd Military Police Company, but became known after Donald Rumsfeld publicly named him during a Senate hearing. Darby had agonized for a month beforehand, but finally decided to blow the whistle on his former friends explaining "It violated everything I personally believed in and all I'd been taught about the rules of war."

Yep.

He ratted out a bunch of cops who were breaking the law, and is a pariah because of it. He crossed the Blue Line.

Nice of you to blame this on the Army though. Being the person you are, you probably haven't educated yourself to the extent that you would know that the regular Army thinks that reserve units are their biggest problem in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The worst are the ones that are police officers in civilian life, because they are trained to think like cops instead of soldiers. Do a little research on the militarization of police before you blame the Army for what cops did.

More Militarized Than the Military - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

The blue line? WTF is wrong with you? What are you saying, he should adhere to some 'collectivist' code??? I guess that whole 'individual responsibility' mantra is just BULLSHIT dripping out of your mouth, eh asshole? I don't care what branch of the military it is or isn't. Those men & women represent you, me and our country. Joe Darby saw human beings being tortured and abused and the man did the RIGHT thing. You are really a scum bag, not a wind bag.