Is this True?: Reagan and Mandela

[ClosedCaption]

Too young to remember. So go ahead.

Is this true?

 

[Kosh]

I see the far left will be believe all the far left propaganda without question or hesitation.

 

[g5000]

Reagan did oppose the level of sanctions against South Africa called for in that bill, yes. He vetoed that bill, but his veto was overridden.

It took about two years of work on the part of Democrats to get the bill enacted. They had to overcome Republican filibusters and Reagan's veto. They passed a weaker version of the original bill in 1986.

 

[Connery]

"Reagan vetoed the compromised bill on September 26, calling it "economic warfare" and alleging that it would mostly hurt the impoverished black majority and lead to more civil strife"
The veto was overridden by congress.

Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act

 

[ClosedCaption]

I see the far left will be believe all the far left propaganda without question or hesitation.

All you had to say was you didn't know

 

[ClosedCaption]

Reagan did oppose the level of sanctions against South Africa called for in that bill, yes. He vetoed that bill, but his veto was overridden.

It took about two years of work on the part of Democrats to get the bill enacted. They had to overcome Republican filibusters and Reagan's veto. They passed a weaker version of the original bill in 1986.

What was the "feel" at that time? Meaning did he do it and have valid reasons or just excuses?

 

[g5000]

Reagan did oppose the level of sanctions against South Africa called for in that bill, yes. He vetoed that bill, but his veto was overridden.

It took about two years of work on the part of Democrats to get the bill enacted. They had to overcome Republican filibusters and Reagan's veto. They passed a weaker version of the original bill in 1986.

What was the "feel" at that time? Meaning did he do it and have valid reasons or just excuses?

I remember the debates. The Right opposed sanctions because they did not believe sanctions were effective. Today, the Right believes sanctions against Iran are effective. So go figure.

Sanctions do hurt the little people first. It takes time for them to affect the ruling class. To maintain their lifestyle and their power, the ruling class will squeeze the peons as much as possible when sanctions first kick in.

 

[Mustang]

The Reagan administration supported the apartheid regime in South Africa. That's a fact.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I see the far left will be believe all the far left propaganda without question or hesitation.

The Congressional record is leftwing propaganda now? Tell us, how much of your bullshit around here do you really think we need to take seriously?

Give us an estimate.

 

[Flopper]

Reagan never really supported Mandela. He vetoed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. His position was clear. He believed the Anti-Apartheid movement would lead to civil strife and he supported the status quo in South Africa. However, this should not be surprising. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. His bogus tales of food stamps chiselers and welfare queens tended to employ racial imagery and often outright racist references to blacks.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Reagan never really supported Mandela. He vetoed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. His position was clear. He believed the Anti-Apartheid movement would lead to civil strife and he supported the status quo in South Africa. However, this should not be surprising. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. His bogus tales of food stamps chiselers and welfare queens tended to employ racial imagery and often outright racist references to blacks.

Mandela was a communist Reagan brought down soviet union stop race baiting.

 

[ClosedCaption]

That's crazy...

 

[Flopper]

Reagan never really supported Mandela. He vetoed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. His position was clear. He believed the Anti-Apartheid movement would lead to civil strife and he supported the status quo in South Africa. However, this should not be surprising. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. His bogus tales of food stamps chiselers and welfare queens tended to employ racial imagery and often outright racist references to blacks.

Mandela was a communist Reagan brought down soviet union stop race baiting.

Communist, Socialist, or whatever you choose to call him, he has done more for the African people than any other man in history. In a hundred years, Reagan will be just a footnote in world history while the influence of men like Mandel and Ghandi will live on. He has done what would seem to be impossible 50 years ago. He has created a multiracial democratic government in South Africa.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Reagan never really supported Mandela. He vetoed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. His position was clear. He believed the Anti-Apartheid movement would lead to civil strife and he supported the status quo in South Africa. However, this should not be surprising. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. His bogus tales of food stamps chiselers and welfare queens tended to employ racial imagery and often outright racist references to blacks.

Mandela was a communist Reagan brought down soviet union stop race baiting.

Communist, Socialist, or whatever you choose to call him, he has done more for the African people than any other man in history. In a hundred years, Reagan will be just a footnote in world history while the influence of men like Mandel and Ghandi will live on. He has done what would seem to be impossible 50 years ago. He has created a multiracial democratic government in South Africa.

ok what has he done for Africa? Maybe you meant south Africa?
Really so what did he actually do?
Has Somali improved?
Libya?
Egypt?
Chad?
East Africa?
Ethiopia?
Uganda?

 

[edthecynic]

Too young to remember. So go ahead.

Is this true?

Of course it's true, which is why MessiahRushie today tried to blame Mandela's extended imprisonment on, wait for it.....
Carter!

St Ronnie, like Bush, is not responsible for anything that happened while president.

 

[kiwiman127]

I see the far left will be believe all the far left propaganda without question or hesitation.

All you had to say was you didn't know

No, Kosh can't do that, he/she loves to use his/her claims of "propaganda"! You gotta give him/her credit for one thing,,,,,, consistent goose-stepping!

 

[Lumpy 1]

Mandela had a history of terrorism after-all, maybe that had something to do with it. Democrats seem to think Mandela's history started when he got out of prison.

 

[Sallow]

Well yeah.

Of course it's true.

Senate, 78 to 21, Overrides Reagan&#146 - s Veto and Imposes Sanctions on South Africa - NYTimes.com

Reagan was a fucking asshole.

 

[Sallow]

Mandela had a history of terrorism after-all, maybe that had something to do with it. Democrats seem to think Mandela's history started when he got out of prison.

So did the Contras (Who raped, murdered and killed American Nuns), the Iranian government (Who took American Hostages) and the Muj (who were led by Osama Bin Laden).

Didn't stop Reagan from helping those folks.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Mandela had a history of terrorism after-all, maybe that had something to do with it. Democrats seem to think Mandela's history started when he got out of prison.

So did the Contras (Who raped, murdered and killed American Nuns), the Iranian government (Who took American Hostages) and the Muj (who were led by Osama Bin Laden).

Didn't stop Reagan from helping those folks.

Mandela admitted to 156 acts of terrorism and was caught while planing to blow up schools with children present. He was on the terrorist watch list until 2008 as I recall. The Iranian hostage crisis was during the Carter years, Reagan had the hostages released.

Why didn't Clinton have Osama killed when he had the chance..8 years and he did nothing, then he stuck Bush with the problem but obviously the plan was already in the works and 9/11 happened?