Is this TOO MUCH TRUTH for the average Westerner?

[GLASNOST]

Attacking any NATO country is a line that Putin will not cross. It would mean devastation for Russia.

Bull shit.

 

[TimFitz]

Send your own boys home in body bags. It's OK with me.

What? Makes no sense at all.

 

[GLASNOST]

Since Trump intends to betray Ukraine, it is the perfect time.

Give Ukraine a fighting chance before Derp fuhrer sells it out to his boss.

Send your own boys home in body bags. It's OK with me.

What? Makes no sense at all.

No, I'm sure it makes no sense to you. But "give Ukraine a fighting chance" by sending your own son over to help out ...... and then it might 'make sense' to you.

 

[para bellum]

What does change things is that these missiles would have to be operated by NATO because the Ukrainians don't have the satellites and know how to use them, so they will have no choice but to respond against NATO as appropriate going forward once the long-range missiles are getting used.

I'm sure Putin knows that's not true. The missiles are short range SSM's that use the HIMARS launchers. They are INS only and do not need any NATO satellites or operators, Ukraine knows how to use them already.

Ukraine has troops in Kursk that can relay the targeting information, or they can use the missiles to target airfields and temporarily close them. It's not a game-changer in any way. It's a handful of missiles, and a symbolic green-light to use them on Russian targets.

 

[Dekster]

I'm sure Putin knows that's not true. The missiles are short range SSM's that use the HIMARS launchers. They are INS only and do not need any NATO satellites or operators, Ukraine knows how to use them already.

Ukraine has troops in Kursk that can relay the targeting information, or they can use the missiles to target airfields and temporarily close them. It's not a game-changer in any way. It's a handful of missiles, and a symbolic green-light to use them on Russian targets.

We are not talking about short range missiles. They are Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, and even retired General Wesley Clark has acknowledged publicly that the US has to okay anything they strike with them because only the US can upload the targeting package to the ATACMS on the Ukrainian military's behalf.

 

[sparky]

I believe this is too complicated for Westerners to understand.

Not in that it's a BRICs forum with economic focus Glas

~S~

 

[sparky]

Attacking any NATO country is a line that Putin will not cross. It would mean devastation for Russia.

DG....

Methinks you got that backwards, this is NATO attacking Russia now

NATO crossed the 'line' , not Putin

~S~

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I believe this is too complicated for Westerners to understand.

Biden is taking orders from MIC and BlackRock.

BlackRock is looking at writing off their investment in Zelen$ky and Ukrainian government

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Attacking any NATO country is a line that Putin will not cross. It would mean devastation for Russia.

Can we assume that Biden got this advice from adults in his administration? This is hardly the time to be making strategic changes in this conflict, with a new administration just a couple weeks away.

NATO attacking Russia with US ATACMS crosses the line

 

[sparky]

BlackRock is looking at writing off their investment in Zelen$ky and Ukrainian government

Yet i've heard BR has bought much Ukraine real estate Frank???

~S~

 

[GLASNOST]

We are not talking about short range missiles. They are Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, and even retired General Wesley Clark has acknowledged publicly that the US has to okay anything they strike with them because only the US can upload the targeting package to the ATACMS on the Ukrainian military's behalf.

I believe that is a fact.

 

[TimFitz]

No, I'm sure it makes no sense to you. But "give Ukraine a fighting chance" by sending your own son over to help out ...... and then it might 'make sense' to you.

No one is calling for that.

It’s your straw man argument. You made it up.

 

[GLASNOST]

Not in that it's a BRICs forum with economic focus Glas

~S~

There's more to it than that.

 

[GLASNOST]

No, I'm sure it makes no sense to you. But "give Ukraine a fighting chance" by sending your own son over to help out ...... and then it might 'make sense' to you.

No one is calling for that.

It’s your straw man argument. You made it up.

Are you not "calling for that" by supporting war rather than peace? Someone's sons are dying. Better those of the supporters of war. Where do you see straw?

 

[GLASNOST]

Biden is taking orders from MIC and BlackRock.

Exactly.

BlackRock is looking at writing off their investment in Zelen$ky and Ukrainian government

Precisely.

 

[TimFitz]

Exactly.

Precisely.

I expect that if Black Rock and JP Morgan are considering winding up their plan to fund $500 billion for a Ukranian reconstruction, it’s because they know that the Russians will steal it anyway.

 

[DStar777]

Attacking any NATO country is a line that Putin will not cross. It would mean devastation for Russia.

Bingo. If Putin was crazy enough to try, I suspect his own people will rise up against him and possibly take him out.

 

[DStar777]

The problem is no leader of Ukraine can make a peace deal that doesn't involve a return to the 2014 borders. They'd be voted out of office.

You'll have to explain that to the people of Crimea:

Official results: 97 percent of Crimea voters back joining Russia

Crimea, Ukraine governments react swiftly to vote; Western leaders expected to quickly impose sanctions on Russia

www.cbsnews.com

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yet i've heard BR has bought much Ukraine real estate Frank???

~S~

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The problem is no leader of Ukraine can make a peace deal that doesn't involve a return to the 2014 borders. They'd be voted out of office.

Had Putin used diplomatic means to resolve the issues of Crimea and Donbas, that might have been feasible. Now, after so many people have died, not so much. The war will continue to drag on, and there's not much Trump can do about it.

And if he sells out a Democracy in favor of Putin's dictatorship, he'll be as reviled as Neville Chamberlain is today.

You mean the providences who voted OVERWHELMINGLY to rejoin Russia and were then attacked by Ukrainian Nazis, should stay with Ukraine???