Is this really what you voted for?

[Rawley]

It's incredible to watch. They literally don't care what damage is done, as long as they get their revenge on people they hate.

There's no doubt that many of them won't be able to afford health insurance for their families in 2026, but they'll give it up if they think a few illegals are not getting any, either.

This is a fuckin' mania.

Your ignorance in service to your hate is simply breathtaking

 

[Rawley]

I already provided the link in another post.

GOP misleads with claim that Democrats shut down to give health care to 'illegal immigrants'

U.S. law prohibits federal health care benefits for undocumented immigrants. Democrats want to return benefits for those with lawful presence, like DACA recipients and asylum-seekers.

www.nbcnews.com

Don't bother flailing your arms about biased sources unless you can factually refute the content........as we all have with your sources.

OK, how's this - Democrats want to provide insurance to non-citizens.

 

[Rawley]

See post #164 as an example. If you can refute those facts please begin. Like this one.......

Undocumented immigrants, often referred to as "illegal aliens," are not eligible to purchase insurance plans or receive subsidies through the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace.

But if they claim ASYLUM they can (under dem proposal) or if they were paroled in (under dem proposal). Meaning literally millions.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Thanks for your opinion....Now ask me if I care what you think?

You're not smart enough to care what I think.

You're just an uneducated, unsophisticated working class MAGA simp who does what rich Repugs tell you to do....******* sucker.

 

[Westender]

It's a question that could be asked about a variety of issues from the unjustified presence of troops on US city streets, to crypto currency profiteering, to pardons of J6 violent criminals, the examples are too numerous to list. Here's one pertaining to the shutdown.

These 6 Charts Explain Why Democrats Shut Down the Government​

All the political skirmishing around the looming government shutdown has obscured the critical reason for it in the first place: Republicans have essentially stopped saying they want to repeal Obamacare, but quietly, they are doing exactly that.

Over the past nine months, Republicans have gone a long way toward dismantling key Obamacare provisions under the misleading guise of reforming or improving our health care system. As a result, more than 20 million Americans face higher insurance premiums next year. And almost 14 million Americans could lose their health insurance altogether over the next decade — an estimated 3.3 million in 2026 alone.

That’s more than 70 percent of those who gained coverage since Obamacare went into effect.

You may be forgiven for missing this headline. There wasn’t one. In 2016, Donald Trump ran on a promise to abolish the program and kept up his crusade throughout his first term, only to have the effort deep-sixed by Senator John McCain. This time around, Mr. Trump has rarely — if ever — mentioned the Affordable Care Act by name. Nor have his fellow Republicans.

But they never stopped trying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/opinion/government-shutdown-republican-obamacare.html

Maybe a trump voter could explain why increasing health insurance premiums and taking away coverage for millions is such a priority? Especially in light of there being no replacement plan for the ACA.

The government shouldn't be in the healthcare business at all. Nobody should ever get Medicaid. I know many working people that can't afford health insurance, why should some get it free?

 

[Rambunctious]

Is this really what you voted for?​

 

[Robert W]

Maybe a trump voter could explain why increasing health insurance premiums and taking away coverage for millions is such a priority? Especially in light of there being no replacement plan for the ACA.

Any increase will happen if the insurance industry hikes up premiums. Trump will never take coverage from Americans though his plan now is to take coverage away from illegal aliens, who are in the USA.

 

[Robert W]

The Democrats want socialized medicine, in one form or another. The best they could do was O'Care, which went a couple of steps in. If they ever were to say "socialized medicine" out loud and put it up for a vote, it would be roundly defeated, which is why only cranks like Bernie Sanders say it.

But the basic truth is that Congress has no power to spend our tax dollars on healthcare (or housing, or food, or...you get the idea). Their "powers" are laid out in Article I, Section 8, and there is not even a hint that they can fund healthcare or partially fund healthcare, as is the current mode.

I challenge anyone reading this to find where Congress gets this power...and anyone using the words "general welfare," go to the back of the class and put on the dunce cap.

Healthcare is up to the States and the private sector. See the Tenth Amendment.

Davy Crockett, a famous congressman explains it so well.


Some may prefer this version

 

[Care4all]

/----/ "unjustified presence of troops on US city streets,"
Hell yeah, it's what I voted for.
I stopped reading at your first biased, slanted opinion piece. Who are you to say the troops are unjustified? Gov. Hochul sent troops into the NYC subway to control runaway crime, and it worked. President Trump sent troops into Washington DC to control crime, and it worked. He's sending troops to protect citizens because the Blue State governors and mayors refuse to fix the crime problem and deny what is going on. And you know the citizens of DC were thanking the troops for being there.

List​

The National Guard has been deployed to cities in the United States for various reasons, including civil unrest, natural disasters, and to maintain order. Here is a list of instances where the National Guard has been deployed to cities:

• Kent State Protests (1970): Ohio National Guard members fired shots into a large crowd of student activists, resulting in four students being killed and nine injured.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=61af...LU5hdGlvbmFsLUd1YXJkLUJlZW4tRGVwbG95ZWQ&ntb=1
• George Floyd Protests (2020): More than 30 states deployed U.S. National Guard units to assist local law enforcement, with over 30,000 National Guard members reporting for duty.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=61af...LU5hdGlvbmFsLUd1YXJkLUJlZW4tRGVwbG95ZWQ&ntb=1
• Los Angeles Immigration Protests (2025): U.S. President Donald Trump ordered the deployment of National Guard troops to Los Angeles to quell protests against immigration raids.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=61af...LU5hdGlvbmFsLUd1YXJkLUJlZW4tRGVwbG95ZWQ&ntb=1
• Washington, D.C. Crime Concerns (2025): President Trump moved forward with deploying National Guard troops to manage public safety in Washington, D.C.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=4b06...WxfZm9yY2VzX2luX3RoZV9Vbml0ZWRfU3RhdGVz&ntb=1
• Texas and Missouri Protests (2025): Governor Greg Abbott called for National Guard members to convene in Texas, and Missouri Governor Mike Kehoe activated local National Guard in what he says is a proactive approach to protests.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=77b7...WQtbmF0aW9uYWwtZ3VhcmQvZXJpY2EtdGhvbWFz&ntb=1
  
  These deployments reflect the complex and often controversial use of military forces in domestic affairs. Each deployment is a response to specific circumstances and can lead to significant public debate and legal challenges.
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=61af...LU5hdGlvbmFsLUd1YXJkLUJlZW4tRGVwbG95ZWQ&ntb=1
  And don't forget JFK sent troops down south to enforce desegregation.

Prior to Trump, the ONLY time a President sent in the National Guard WITHOUT the required governor's permission was 1965, Civil Rights March from Selma to Montgomery Alabama where President Johnson called up the guard to PROTECT the PROTESTERS against the Governor and local police.

What Trump is doing by sending in the National Guard without the Governor's permission, is illegal.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Prior to Trump, the ONLY time a President sent in the National Guard WITHOUT the required governor's permission was 1965, Civil Rights March from Selma to Montgomery Alabama where President Johnson called up the guard to PROTECT the PROTESTERS against the Governor and local police.

What Trump is doing by sending in the National Guard without the Governor's permission, is illegal.

No troops in the earlier civil rights cases? No troops in the case of black children going to white schools?

 

[Care4all]

No troops in the earlier civil rights cases? No troops in the case of black children going to white schools?

1965 with LBJ as mentioned above from Selma to Montgomery March was the last time during the Civil Rights Era,

But you are right...two other Civil Rights era times the guard had to be called up against a governor... With Ike in 1957 and JFK in 1962.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The government shouldn't be in the healthcare business at all. Nobody should ever get Medicaid. I know many working people that can't afford health insurance, why should some get it free?

Why not?

The UK spends a little less (or did when I last looked) on healthcare, the NHS which gives all people healthcare free at the point of delivery, than the US Federal government does.

Put that into perspective. For what the US Federal government spends is about half of all healthcare spending. The other half people have to spend out of their own pocket.

Were the US to spend say, 75% of what it does, but have a system free at the point of delivery, it's be a better system.

You wouldn't have to pay 7.5% of all healthcare spending just on insurance companies. Hospitals wouldn't charge huge prices for things, you wouldn't have people leeching off the system with their companies that sell medical supplies at huge mark ups.

It'd save money. And give people what they need.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Why not?

The UK spends a little less (or did when I last looked) on healthcare, the NHS which gives all people healthcare free at the point of delivery, than the US Federal government does.

Put that into perspective. For what the US Federal government spends is about half of all healthcare spending. The other half people have to spend out of their own pocket.

Were the US to spend say, 75% of what it does, but have a system free at the point of delivery, it's be a better system.

You wouldn't have to pay 7.5% of all healthcare spending just on insurance companies. Hospitals wouldn't charge huge prices for things, you wouldn't have people leeching off the system with their companies that sell medical supplies at huge mark ups.

It'd save money. And give people what they need.

remind us again how long the wait times are in the UK and how doctor and nurse retention is there?

 

[j-mac]

You're not smart enough to care what I think.

You're just an uneducated, unsophisticated working class MAGA simp who does what rich Repugs tell you to do....******* sucker.

Feel better?

 

[22lcidw]

You're not smart enough to care what I think.

You're just an uneducated, unsophisticated working class MAGA simp who does what rich Repugs tell you to do....******* sucker.

Racism and hate from those who promote tolerance, and it is from within is alarming in nations that can turn dictatorial. The rich Progressives do not accept illegals to live in their territories. Martha's Vineyard proved that. Every rich Progressive enclave is the same. If Kamla won, three million low-income homes were to be built in suburbia. And none were rich Prog enclaves. Although middle class Prog areas were to be targeted along with Republican ones.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Yikes. After repeatedly being proven wrong you just told the same lie again. Amazing.

Extending enhanced Marketplace premium tax credits would not benefit undocumented immigrants. Enhancements to the tax credits available to purchase Marketplace plans expires this year, unless Congress takes action, and will result in 4.2 million more uninsured people based on an estimate by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). Premium tax credits have always been available only to U.S. citizens and immigrants who are lawfully present. Premium tax credits have never been available to undocumented immigrants (this is true with or without H.R. 1). Extending the enhanced premium tax credits would have no effect on undocumented immigrants. It would only help protect the coverage of 4.2 million individuals, by allowing low- and moderate-people, mostly U.S. citizens with some additional lawful immigrants, to continue to afford their Marketplace premiums.

Repealing H.R. 1 also would not increase coverage for undocumented immigrants. There are only two sets of provisions in H.R. 1 related to immigrants. The first is a set of parallel provisions in Medicaid, Medicare, and the Marketplace restricting the eligibility of some groups of lawfully present immigrants, such as refugees. My colleague Kelly Whitener has summarized the impact on lawfully present immigrants. These provisions do not impact undocumented immigrants; and again, undocumented immigrants are not even enrolled in these coverage programs in the first place. Of the 10 million people who the CBO estimates will lose coverage under H.R. 1, the lawfully present (not undocumented) immigrants who lose coverage will be a relatively small group compared to the vast majority of people who lose coverage that will be U.S. citizens. In short, repealing H.R. 1 would primarily benefit U.S. citizens, a smaller group of lawfully present immigrants, but would have no impact on the undocumented who will remain ineligible.

/—-/ The Fed gives the money yo the states who then spend it anyway they want including on illegals.

 

[berg80]

The government shouldn't be in the healthcare business at all. Nobody should ever get Medicaid. I know many working people that can't afford health insurance, why should some get it free?

People dying in the streets while the government does nothing is not a winning political strategy.

 

[berg80]

/—-/ The Ged gives the money yo the states who then spend it anyway they want including on illegals.

Extending enhanced Marketplace premium tax credits would not benefit undocumented immigrants.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Prior to Trump, the ONLY time a President sent in the National Guard WITHOUT the required governor's permission was 1965, Civil Rights March from Selma to Montgomery Alabama where President Johnson called up the guard to PROTECT the PROTESTERS against the Governor and local police.

What Trump is doing by sending in the National Guard without the Governor's permission, is illegal.

Not illegal to send them to protect Federal personnel and assets. Which is what is happening.

 

[trumptman]

It's a question that could be asked about a variety of issues from the unjustified presence of troops on US city streets, to crypto currency profiteering, to pardons of J6 violent criminals, the examples are too numerous to list. Here's one pertaining to the shutdown.

These 6 Charts Explain Why Democrats Shut Down the Government​

All the political skirmishing around the looming government shutdown has obscured the critical reason for it in the first place: Republicans have essentially stopped saying they want to repeal Obamacare, but quietly, they are doing exactly that.

Over the past nine months, Republicans have gone a long way toward dismantling key Obamacare provisions under the misleading guise of reforming or improving our health care system. As a result, more than 20 million Americans face higher insurance premiums next year. And almost 14 million Americans could lose their health insurance altogether over the next decade — an estimated 3.3 million in 2026 alone.

That’s more than 70 percent of those who gained coverage since Obamacare went into effect.

You may be forgiven for missing this headline. There wasn’t one. In 2016, Donald Trump ran on a promise to abolish the program and kept up his crusade throughout his first term, only to have the effort deep-sixed by Senator John McCain. This time around, Mr. Trump has rarely — if ever — mentioned the Affordable Care Act by name. Nor have his fellow Republicans.

But they never stopped trying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/opinion/government-shutdown-republican-obamacare.html

Maybe a trump voter could explain why increasing health insurance premiums and taking away coverage for millions is such a priority? Especially in light of there being no replacement plan for the ACA.

So in short, when the affordable health care act needs a bunch of additional tacked on subsidies since it isn't affordable, and you refuse to provide those additional subsidies, you aren't the problem.

The ACA is the problem.