Is There Scientific Evidence Supporting the Floor of Noah?

[rightwinger]

Not as much evidence as Climate Change

But Conservatives would rather believe a flood

 

[Cecilie1200]

There does seem to be overwhelming evidence that certain proofs are being systematically ignored or redefined or hidden, in order to eliminate possible "confusion".

All ancient cultures in the Mesopotamian region tell a Great Flood story.

The conclusion, there was a great flood. Just saying the term "flood" implies they are familiar with flooding.

So the question is not if there was a great flood, the question is how far did it extend? Was it global?

NO.


Just like the last 5 times you made this same thread.

If it offends you so much that people are DARING to continue talking about something you don't think they should talk about, has it occurred to you at all that you could just . . . not join the threads?

It didn't offend me.

And, by the way, humans originated in Africa.

Suuuuuure it didn't. That's why you're griping about it.

 

[james bond]

AGW and climate change believers. Delusional liars. Sill no flooding of islands at sea level.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, it's not a book about the history of the Earth. It's a book about the history of God's relationship with His people. There are a lot of important things that happened in the world around that time which weren't mentioned, because they weren't germane to the story being told.

Did this "god" have a relationship to all people across the world? People in India, China, the folks in north, central, south America, Pacific peoples? The currant year in the Hebrew calendar alone is 5779. I do not know about the calendars of the these other civilizations.

There is evidence that a catastrophic event occurred in the middle east, possibly opening up the Bosphorus, submerging some lands. I read somewhere that divers are uncovering evidence of buildings submerged in various seas (Caspian Sea, Black Sea, etc.) that has been preserved due to the oxygen qualities in the water.

there is evidence all over the world,,,

Even if so, there is not a lot of evidence as to how people all over the world at this time perceived this event. There is no reason to take the word of a small group of middle easterners when there were human beings all over this planet. What did the people in northern Europe, north and south America, those on the Indian subcontinent, the African peoples, the Pacific peoples think?

if the bible accounts are to be believed, there were no other people to tell the story since all were killed,,,

A lack of evidence could go towards confirming the event,,,

and also there is no way to know where noah started from, just that he ended up in the mountains of Ararat,,,

You said "if bible accounts are to be believed." Should they be? There might have been a flood/earth quake in ancient times, but what of the story of only a small group of people and their animals surviving?
If people all over the world date their history at least back to the 5,000-year B.C.E., all of the people all over the world did not die. The middle eastern saga at least began in 5779, with the Hebrews. Why do you think everyone died in the flood? People even then were a lot smarter than you think. They would know enough how to get out of the way of rising water.

The one thing I get from the middle eastern sagas of the three Abrahamic faiths, Christians, Muslims, Jews, is that they did not travel much and did not know what was going on in the rest of the world.

how do you run from water that covers everything???
and how do you know all the people other than noah and his family didnt die???were you there???

and the muslims are johnny come latelys to the party so they have no real ancient history,,

not sure about the people all over the world dating their history since we can barely keep track of what we know,,,but do know that far back their would be very few people that existed,,,scientist have said we all started from two people,,, but when was that??

 

[BuckToothMoron]

There does seem to be overwhelming evidence that certain proofs are being systematically ignored or redefined or hidden, in order to eliminate possible "confusion".

All ancient cultures in the Mesopotamian region tell a Great Flood story.

The conclusion, there was a great flood. Just saying the term "flood" implies they are familiar with flooding.

So the question is not if there was a great flood, the question is how far did it extend? Was it global?

It wasn’t global as we now know the actual size of our planet, but when it may have occurred it appeared to be global.

And you can prove this how? Fossils exist around the globe. Strata exists around the globe. The evidence is not confined to only one area of the earth.

Can’t prove any of it. Nor can you.

 

[LittleNipper]

Is there evidence of a worldwide FLOOD? Is there evidence that the flood was global? | Bibleinfo.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Is there evidence of a worldwide FLOOD? Is there evidence that the flood was global? | Bibleinfo.com

No.

Wait a minute...last time you started a thread about this, your attempt to slither out from under thre false crap you said was to say that the flood was never "global", but just appreared that way to the ignorant, iron age fools who invented the flood myth.

You dont even know what you are going to say next, do you?

 

[Hollie]

The most likely reason for the world wide flood stories are that there was a real global flood -- Noah's Flood. It would be one of the most effective ways to kill off everybody on the planet. The evidence for it is found throughout the geology of the world. Just look at the bent rock layers. That could not happen any other way.

Of course the atheists couldn't stand it, so they made up their humongous lies about uniformitarianism, evolution, and long-time around the 1850s. Today, they made up global warming and climate change and are going to asteroid and supervolcano end of the world scenarios. The world isn't stupid. They do not buy this. Bad science means bad mythologies.

It really is remarkable how delusional the ID’iot creationists are toward the relevant sciences.

Bad mythologies make bad religious beliefs.

 

[Hollie]

Is there evidence of a worldwide FLOOD? Is there evidence that the flood was global? | Bibleinfo.com

Nowhere in the relevant science community is there evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago.

 

[Lysistrata]

Well, it's not a book about the history of the Earth. It's a book about the history of God's relationship with His people. There are a lot of important things that happened in the world around that time which weren't mentioned, because they weren't germane to the story being told.

Did this "god" have a relationship to all people across the world? People in India, China, the folks in north, central, south America, Pacific peoples? The currant year in the Hebrew calendar alone is 5779. I do not know about the calendars of the these other civilizations.

There is evidence that a catastrophic event occurred in the middle east, possibly opening up the Bosphorus, submerging some lands. I read somewhere that divers are uncovering evidence of buildings submerged in various seas (Caspian Sea, Black Sea, etc.) that has been preserved due to the oxygen qualities in the water.

there is evidence all over the world,,,

Even if so, there is not a lot of evidence as to how people all over the world at this time perceived this event. There is no reason to take the word of a small group of middle easterners when there were human beings all over this planet. What did the people in northern Europe, north and south America, those on the Indian subcontinent, the African peoples, the Pacific peoples think?

if the bible accounts are to be believed, there were no other people to tell the story since all were killed,,,

A lack of evidence could go towards confirming the event,,,

and also there is no way to know where noah started from, just that he ended up in the mountains of Ararat,,,

It could also just be that humans hadn't spread that far out yet. I believe scientists have agreed for a while that humanity originated somewhere around Mesopotamia and gradually migrated through the world.

Couldn't say. I wasn't there.

Again, as I already told Lice, I am not responsible for knowing every possible piece of information in the entire history of man, and I am certainly not required to know it to get her permission and approval of my beliefs. I am, in fact, not required to get or interested in getting her approval in any way.

I never said that you had to get my approval to believe any story you wish to believe in. If you want to believe that you, me, the Mongol Hordes, the Vikings, the Mayans, the Chinese, the Indians, the Polynesians, the Africans, and everyone else are related to Noah and those he spermed, go right ahead. Just drop Lucy a thank-you note. Address: Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania.

 

[rightwinger]

Strange question

How did fish and aquatic animals and plants survive the flood?

A flood of that magnitude would have destroyed their ecosystem
How could they have survived?

 

[progressive hunter]

Strange question

How did fish and aquatic animals and plants survive the flood?

A flood of that magnitude would have destroyed their ecosystem
How could they have survived?

who said all of them survived???

most likely not every single part of their ecosystem was destroyed and all that needed to survive was 2 of them,,,

 

[LittleNipper]

Strange question

How did fish and aquatic animals and plants survive the flood?

A flood of that magnitude would have destroyed their ecosystem
How could they have survived?

God took care of Noah, God can take care of selected plants and animals. Perhaps there were quiet areas with little or no turbulence, There was always the possibility of large mats of floating vegetation. Evolutionists do not have all the answers...

 

[LittleNipper]

Not as much evidence as Climate Change

But Conservatives would rather believe a flood

The Flood was/is the greatest example of climate change! I accept both but not without GOD's influence.

 

[LittleNipper]

Is there evidence of a worldwide FLOOD? Is there evidence that the flood was global? | Bibleinfo.com

Nowhere in the relevant science community is there evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago.

Who is relevant and who determines that ?

 

[LittleNipper]

The most likely reason for the world wide flood stories are that there was a real global flood -- Noah's Flood. It would be one of the most effective ways to kill off everybody on the planet. The evidence for it is found throughout the geology of the world. Just look at the bent rock layers. That could not happen any other way.

Of course the atheists couldn't stand it, so they made up their humongous lies about uniformitarianism, evolution, and long-time around the 1850s. Today, they made up global warming and climate change and are going to asteroid and supervolcano end of the world scenarios. The world isn't stupid. They do not buy this. Bad science means bad mythologies.

It really is remarkable how delusional the ID’iot creationists are toward the relevant sciences.

Bad mythologies make bad religious beliefs.

I find evolutionists the most delusional sort. They actually feel that they are beyond reproach. Evolution is a very bad mythology. GOD is real.

 

[LittleNipper]

Evolutionary scientist perceives that those that have promoted intelligent design and creation are not treated honestly and he gets attacked for his opinions... A respected scientist comes out against evolution – and loses his Wikipedia page

 

[Hollie]

Is there evidence of a worldwide FLOOD? Is there evidence that the flood was global? | Bibleinfo.com

Nowhere in the relevant science community is there evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago.

Who is relevant and who determines that ?

I think the objectivity of peer reviewed science answers your question. I do think that there will always be an unbridgeable divide between science and religion. This is because of the standards of proof in the realm of science are so different than the predefined bias of partisan religious belief

Science is amenable only to investigations of repeatable phenomena in the natural world. This is the essence of the scientific method. Religion is amenable only to expression of personal “feelings”. This is the hidden philosophical bias of religion. Trapped by its own subjectivity.

But insofar as the world around us is natural, science remains our best tool for investigating it. The methodology used by investigators employing science is presently the best that life on earth has yet devised. In contrast, any attempt to see the origin of our natural selves through the theistic accounts is doomed to fail due to its scripturally bounded nature.

 

[Hollie]

The most likely reason for the world wide flood stories are that there was a real global flood -- Noah's Flood. It would be one of the most effective ways to kill off everybody on the planet. The evidence for it is found throughout the geology of the world. Just look at the bent rock layers. That could not happen any other way.

Of course the atheists couldn't stand it, so they made up their humongous lies about uniformitarianism, evolution, and long-time around the 1850s. Today, they made up global warming and climate change and are going to asteroid and supervolcano end of the world scenarios. The world isn't stupid. They do not buy this. Bad science means bad mythologies.

It really is remarkable how delusional the ID’iot creationists are toward the relevant sciences.

Bad mythologies make bad religious beliefs.

I find evolutionists the most delusional sort. They actually feel that they are beyond reproach. Evolution is a very bad mythology. GOD is real.

Can you identify which of the gods are real?

How do you know?

I agree that mythologies make religion and religions tend to fail when the mythologies are exposed as fraud.

I think arguments are cheapened when people negligently toss around claims of possessing “proof of god(s)” and that proof is nothing more than the copy and paste YouTube videos someone found while scouring the internet.

What’s truly disturbing in the copy and pasted articles offered by the more hyper-religious is that we are met with comments requiring that we (paraphrasing here) “drop this narrow minded classification for the word “scientific” and/or reality”. Drop them in favor of what – rumor and superstition? Nothing contained in any of the posts by the religious folks provides us with proof of any god(s) let alone the Christian sectarian version of god(s).

Let’s look at it another way. I make no claims about existence other than its perceivable and it's natural. Consistently, this claim relies on logic and reason to uphold itself. The theist asserts that "logic and reason are not up to the task of envisioning the "reality" of the "man behind the curtain" paradigm, i.e., the supernatural realms of gods.

Now I already conclude I have made my claim logically-- that reality is logical, and reasonably -- that reality is rational. But what do religionists claim?

That logic is flawed and reason is flawed and limits our perception. Well, if you are right, you are admitting that the very tools you use to make your perception/assertion -- is flawed and not to be trusted!

If you are wrong -- then you are simply wrong, or illogical and irrational. And why should we listen to the assertions of someone who admits they are making irrational and illogical statements? What discerns any difference between the assertions of the theist, assertions made without reason or logic, and a man in a padded room who thinks himself Napoleon (to use the cliché)

 

[LittleNipper]

I don't believe "so called" peer review amounts to real investigation but merely denial on the part of those predisposed to accept evolution as the only secular "viable" answer. "Secular" and "truth" do not go hand in hand because the exclusion of evidence which seems miraculous distorts the equation.