Is there anything left that we can come together on?

[Dale Smith]

The left in this country has become so extreme and so radicalized that I've really come to the conclusion that the U.S. should be peacefully divide up so that conservatives can restore the United States of America (what ever half remained for us) and liberals would be free to destroy a new nation built on socialism and free from the Constitution that they hate so much.

I would really like to be wrong (for once). But watching liberals insist that a grown man has every right to walk into a women's restroom and slap women and little children in the face with their penis just affirms what I already thought.

So with that in mind - I'm wondering if anyone can post something that conservatives and liberals can come together on. There are some items which one would think we be basic and obvious (like the U.S. Constitution, defense, and the right of children to be free from the opposite sex in the restroom) but it would appear that would not be the case. If we can't even agree on these basic and obvious issues, what can we agree on?

If you want to begin to break down the barriers, consider looking inward first. Turn off whatever partisan media outlets are causing you to be so caustic, insulting and gullible and seek a balance of information rather than listening to pundits who are paid millions of dollars to divide the country for purely political reasons.
Start by adopting a Christian attitude towards others, and hopefully your hatred and intolerance will begin to fade.

The left in this country has become so extreme and so radicalized that I've really come to the conclusion that the U.S. should be peacefully divide up so that conservatives can restore the United States of America (what ever half remained for us) and liberals would be free to destroy a new nation built on socialism and free from the Constitution that they hate so much.

I would really like to be wrong (for once). But watching liberals insist that a grown man has every right to walk into a women's restroom and slap women and little children in the face with their penis just affirms what I already thought.

So with that in mind - I'm wondering if anyone can post something that conservatives and liberals can come together on. There are some items which one would think we be basic and obvious (like the U.S. Constitution, defense, and the right of children to be free from the opposite sex in the restroom) but it would appear that would not be the case. If we can't even agree on these basic and obvious issues, what can we agree on?

If you want to begin to break down the barriers, consider looking inward first. Turn off whatever partisan media outlets are causing you to be so caustic, insulting and gullible and seek a balance of information rather than listening to pundits who are paid millions of dollars to divide the country for purely political reasons.
Start by adopting a Christian attitude towards others, and hopefully your hatred and intolerance will begin to fade.[/QUO

Take your own advice before you attempt to "preach" to others about what they should or should not do. I haven't read one single post from you that doesn't toe the Fabian Socialist line of thought. I have broken down my barriers. I pledge no loyalty to any political party. I don't believe in tribalism and the "if you ain't with us, you are against us" bullshit. I have done my due diligence and I have spent THOUSANDS of hours reading, researching and studying trying to figure out how America and the rest of the world got so fucked up when we should be enjoying a time of utter prosperity and enlightenment but instead we are on the precipice of a global economic collapse that will make the Great Depression seem tame by comparison...and why is that? Because we have been programmed to play the "blame game"...."It's the other guy's fault". I have been around and I have been politically astute for a very long time...but I admit that I was misguided by ideology but I knew instinctively that something wasn't right. When I snapped out of my daze and disconnected from the matrix, the truth was easy to find but it's not gonna come looking for you.

 

[MisterBeale]

The left in this country has become so extreme and so radicalized that I've really come to the conclusion that the U.S. should be peacefully divide up so that conservatives can restore the United States of America (what ever half remained for us) and liberals would be free to destroy a new nation built on socialism and free from the Constitution that they hate so much.

I would really like to be wrong (for once). But watching liberals insist that a grown man has every right to walk into a women's restroom and slap women and little children in the face with their penis just affirms what I already thought.

So with that in mind - I'm wondering if anyone can post something that conservatives and liberals can come together on. There are some items which one would think we be basic and obvious (like the U.S. Constitution, defense, and the right of children to be free from the opposite sex in the restroom) but it would appear that would not be the case. If we can't even agree on these basic and obvious issues, what can we agree on?

Actually, lately, I have been devoting my time to researching something called the "Deep State."

It is a concept known as a State within a State.

It is something that liberals were afraid was taking control during the Bush admin, that has continued during the Obama admin. This is what Cindy Sheehan, (noted socialist) protested against. Did you know that she doesn't support Bernie Sanders or Hillary?

Here is an interview that Bill Moyers does of a Republican staffer, Mike Lofgren.

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]

During the last five years, the news media has been flooded with pundits decrying the broken politics of Washington. The conventional wisdom has it that partisan gridlock and dysfunction have become the new normal. That is certainly the case, and I have been among the harshest critics of this development. But it is also imperative to acknowledge the limits of this critique as it applies to the American governmental system. On one level, the critique is self-evident: In the domain that the public can see, Congress is hopelessly deadlocked in the worst manner since the 1850s, the violently rancorous decade preceding the Civil War.

As I wrote in The Party is Over, the present objective of congressional Republicans is to render the executive branch powerless, at least until a Republican president is elected (a goal that voter suppression laws in GOP-controlled states are clearly intended to accomplish). President Obama cannot enact his domestic policies and budgets: Because of incessant GOP filibustering, not only could he not fill the large number of vacancies in the federal judiciary, he could not even get his most innocuous presidential appointees into office. Democrats controlling the Senate have responded by weakening the filibuster of nominations, but Republicans are sure to react with other parliamentary delaying tactics. This strategy amounts to congressional nullification of executive branch powers by a party that controls a majority in only one house of Congress.

Despite this apparent impotence, President Obama can liquidate American citizens without due processes, detain prisoners indefinitely without charge, conduct dragnet surveillance on the American people without judicial warrant and engage in unprecedented — at least since the McCarthy era — witch hunts against federal employees (the so-called “Insider Threat Program”). Within the United States, this power is characterized by massive displays of intimidating force by militarized federal, state and local law enforcement. Abroad, President Obama can start wars at will and engage in virtually any other activity whatsoever without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, such as arranging the forced landing of a plane carrying a sovereign head of state over foreign territory. Despite the habitual cant of congressional Republicans about executive overreach by Obama, the would-be dictator, we have until recently heard very little from them about these actions — with the minor exception of comments from gadfly Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Democrats, save a few mavericks such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, are not unduly troubled, either — even to the extent of permitting seemingly perjured congressional testimony under oath by executive branch officials on the subject of illegal surveillance.

These are not isolated instances of a contradiction; they have been so pervasive that they tend to be disregarded as background noise. During the time in 2011 when political warfare over the debt ceiling was beginning to paralyze the business of governance in Washington, the United States government somehow summoned the resources to overthrow Muammar Ghaddafi’s regime in Libya, and, when the instability created by that coup spilled over into Mali, provide overt and covert assistance to French intervention there. At a time when there was heated debate about continuing meat inspections and civilian air traffic control because of the budget crisis, our government was somehow able to commit $115 millionto keeping a civil war going in Syria and to pay at least £100m to the United Kingdom’s Government Communications Headquarters to buy influence over and access to that country’s intelligence. Since 2007, two bridges carrying interstate highways have collapsed due to inadequate maintenance of infrastructure, one killing 13 people. During that same period of time, the government spent $1.7 billion constructing a building in Utah that is the size of 17 football fields. This mammoth structure is intended to allow the National Security Agency to store a yottabyte of information, the largest numerical designator computer scientists have coined. A yottabyte is equal to 500 quintillion pages of text. They need that much storage to archive every single trace of your electronic life.

Yes, there is another government concealed behind the one that is visible at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue, a hybrid entity of public and private institutions ruling the country according to consistent patterns in season and out, connected to, but only intermittently controlled by, the visible state whose leaders we choose. My analysis of this phenomenon is not an exposé of a secret, conspiratorial cabal; the state within a state is hiding mostly in plain sight, and its operators mainly act in the light of day. Nor can this other government be accurately termed an “establishment.” All complex societies have an establishment, a social network committed to its own enrichment and perpetuation. In terms of its scope, financial resources and sheer global reach, the American hybrid state, the Deep State, is in a class by itself. That said, it is neither omniscient nor invincible. The institution is not so much sinister (although it has highly sinister aspects) as it is relentlessly well entrenched. Far from being invincible, its failures, such as those in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, are routine enough that it is only the Deep State’s protectiveness towards its higher-ranking personnel that allows them to escape the consequences of their frequent ineptitude. [2]


Oddly enough, life long researcher and experience of a left leaning, ivory tower academic, Peter Dale Scott comes to the same conclusion. He was a Canadian diplomat for four years and a professor at Berkley for over thirty years.


The Hidden Government Group
by Peter Dale Scott
The Hidden Government Group, by Peter Dale Scott

For some time now, I have been analyzing American history in the light of what I have called structural deep events: events, like the JFK assassination, the Watergate break-in, Iran-Contra, or 9/11, which repeatedly involve law-breaking or violence, are mysterious to begin with, are embedded in ongoing covert processes, have political consequences that enlarge covert government, and are subsequently covered up by systematic falsifications in the mainstream media and internal government records. [1]


The more I study these deep events, the more I see suggestive similarities between them, increasing the possibility that they are not unrelated external intrusions on American history, but parts of an endemic process, sharing to some degree or other a common source. [2]


For example, one factor linking Dallas, Watergate, Iran-Contra, and 9/11, has been the involvement in all four deep events of personnel involved in America’s highest-level emergency planning, known since the 1950s as Continuity of Government (COG) planning, or more colloquially inside the Pentagon as “the Doomsday Project.” A few of these actors may have been located at the top, as overseers of the secret COG system. Others – including some I shall talk about today – were located further down in its secret communications network.


I see this planning group as one among many in what I have chosen to call the American deep state, along with agencies like the CIA and NSA, the private groups like Booz Allen Hamilton to which more than half of the US intelligence budget is outsourced, [3] and finally the powerful banks and corporations whose views are well represented in the CIA and NSA. But if only one group among many, the COG planning group is also special, because of its control of and access to a communications channel, not under government control, that can reach deeply into the US social structure. I discuss these matters at some length in my next book, The American Deep State, due out in November.


COG planning was originally authorized by Truman and Eisenhower as planning for a response to a crippling atomic attack that had decapitated government. In consequence its planning group contemplated extreme measures, including what Alfonso Chardy in 1987 called “suspension of the Constitution.” [4] And yet in Iran-Contra its asset of a secret communications network, developed for the catastrophe of decapitation, was used instead to evade an official embargo on arms sales to Iran that dated back to 1979. My question today is whether the network could have been similarly misused in November 1963.


The Iran-contra misuse has been well-documented. Oliver North supervised the sale of arms to Iran by using his resources as the National Security Council action officer for COG planning, under cover of a “National Program Office” that was overseen by then Vice-President George H. W. Bush. [5] North and his superiors could thus use the COG emergency network, known then as Flashboard, for the arms sales to Iran that had to be concealed from other parts of the Washington bureaucracy as well as the public. So when North had to send emergency instructions for arms delivery to the US Embassy in Lisbon, instructions that directly contravened the embargo prohibiting such sales, he used the Flashboard network to avoid alerting the Ambassador and other unwitting personnel.


The documented example of Iran-Contra allows me to explain what I am saying about the users of the COG network, and also what I am not saying. To begin with, I am not saying that a single “Secret Team” has for decades been using the COG network to manipulate the US Government from outside it. There is no evidence to suggest that North’s actions in Iran-Contra were known to any of his superiors other than CIA chief William Casey and probably George Bush. The point is that a very small group had access to a high-level secret network outside government review, in order to implement a program in opposition to government policy. They succumbed to the temptation to use this secure network that had been designed for other purposes. I have argued elsewhere that this secure network was used again on 9/11, to implement key orders for which the 9/11 Commission could find no records. [6] Whether it was also used for illicit purposes is not known.


It is certain that the COG emergency network program survived North’s demise, and continued to be secretly developed for decades, at a cost of billions, and overseen by a team including Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. It is relevant that the two men’s presence on the committee spanned three administrations – those of Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton — even though at one point under Clinton neither man held a position inside the U.S. government. Such continuity was essential for a group so secret that few records existed of its activities. And on 9/11 COG plans were officially implemented for the first time, by Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, the two men who had planned them for so many years. [7]


Whether or not they knew about Iran-Contra, Cheney and Rumsfeld were on the COG planning committee at the time of Iran-Contra. There is no such obvious link between COG planning and Watergate, but the involvement of COG personnel in Watergate is nonetheless striking. James McCord, one of the Watergate burglars, was a member of a small Air Force Reserve unit in Washington attached to the Office of Emergency Preparedness (OEP) that was assigned “to draw up lists of radicals and to develop contingency plans for censorship of the news media and U.S. mail in time of war.” [8] His unit was part of the Wartime Information Security Program (WISP), which had responsibility for activating “contingency plans for imposing censorship on the press, the mails and all telecommunications (including government communications) [and] preventive detention of civilian ‘security risks,’ who would be placed in military ‘camps.’” [9] In addition, John Dean, perhaps the central Watergate figure, had overseen secret COG activities when serving as the associate deputy attorney general. [10]


In the case of the JFK assassination, I wish to focus on two men who functioned as part of the communications network of the Office of Emergency Planning (OEP), the agency renamed in 1968 as the Office of Emergency Preparedness (to which McCord was attached), and renamed again in 1982 as the National Program Office (for which Oliver North was the action officer). [11]

And here is the concrete evidence that you need to verify that every year, the POTUS extends the state of emergency that authorizes the C.O.G. which suspends Constitutional law, which troubles, alternately, (depending on who is control of the oval office,) each and every year. Unless the Congress challenges this, every year, the state of emergency which was declared in 2001 continues.

Message -- Continuation of the National Emergency With Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
Message -- Continuation of the National Emergency With Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks


Ostensibly, this is what both Ike and JFK warned us about.

God bless you....wish I could give that post 1,000 "Thank You's". There is the government that we see that we believe represents us and then there is the shadow government that is secretly pulling the strings. It's like the WWF...you have the wrestlers (politicians) that act out the script of the ones that own WWF (the bankers) to give us the illusion that we have a say and nothing could be further from the truth.

This corporate entity was created in deception and it has only gotten more corrupt and more deviant over time. The coup de e'tat that happened when JFK was publicly murdered was truly the day that the final nail in the future of this country was hammered. We have simply been dying a slow death since then....like a once healthy 60 pound dog that has a 40 pound tick attached to it and sucking it's life's blood...slowly and a little at a time and getting more and more bloated. This corporate entity that tries to pass it's self off as a legitimate governmental body is nothing but a for profit venture when it was taken into receivership by the International Monetary Fund in 1950 after the Federal Reserve bankers bankrupted us but here is the rub, they also own and control the IMF. They bankrupted us, liquidated our assets and then pawned us off on another one of their subsidiaries....new boss is the same as the old boss with the same results...but their wealth was 100 percent protected. If people only knew...if they could ONLY comprehend what has been done to them....SMH.

But let's be honest - how was any of that possible? The complete and total abandonment of the U.S. Constitution by progressive idiots like Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

If the highest law in the land is strictly enforced (as it absolutely should be), there is no Federal Reserve, IMF, etc. There is no Department of Energy, Department of Education, etc. bankrupting the nation.

How is that possible? He that pays the piper picks the tune. We have had patriots on both sides of the political aisles that stood against the Federal Reserve but money talks. Wilson later regretted what he did...not that it means anything and FDR 100% totally sold us out by making our labor surety on the debt and doing the gold confiscation which robbed the people of REAL money instead of a fiat currency with no intrinsic value and that is why we are about to crash.

I think it is important to remember that patriotic liberals in America have been silenced by the MSM. Americans in this nation have NOT been heard from.

As I intimated in my original post, folks that are TRUE to their families and communities here in America yet have left leaning political leanings have much in common with conservatives. They have noted that the Democrats were bought out and went off the cliff.

Leftists such as Naomi Wolf and the LaRache PAC all are aware of the danger of the globalists. They also have abhorred what is being done by these fascist globalists.

Naomi Wolf, a notable progressive, wrote a book during the Bush admin. called, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot," and was asked to give a presentation to a libertarian forum. She finally saw the light about the 2nd amendment. That says something when progressives see the reason why the 2nd amendment was drafted by founders.



Likewise, the LaRouche PAC has been marginalized and ridiculed by the MSM, even though they are a liberal PAC. They are patriotic left leaning Americans that are opposed to giving over American sovereignty to the global corporations.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is nothing we can come together on. A peaceful division is the best we can hope for.

 

[MisterBeale]

The left in this country has become so extreme and so radicalized that I've really come to the conclusion that the U.S. should be peacefully divide up so that conservatives can restore the United States of America (what ever half remained for us) and liberals would be free to destroy a new nation built on socialism and free from the Constitution that they hate so much.

I would really like to be wrong (for once). But watching liberals insist that a grown man has every right to walk into a women's restroom and slap women and little children in the face with their penis just affirms what I already thought.

So with that in mind - I'm wondering if anyone can post something that conservatives and liberals can come together on. There are some items which one would think we be basic and obvious (like the U.S. Constitution, defense, and the right of children to be free from the opposite sex in the restroom) but it would appear that would not be the case. If we can't even agree on these basic and obvious issues, what can we agree on?

Yes you did such a great job while bush and you pukes were defiling this country for 8 years

Unlike you my friend - I'm not a blind obedient minion to my leaders or a party. I vehemently oppose much of what George W. Bush did. I've got a $1,000 right now that says you cannot say the same thing about any Democrat ever.

The amazing thing is, you people bash Bush like there is no tomorrow and give Obama unlimited blowjobs despite the fact that Obama has followed every policy implemented by Bush and expanded on them other than taxes:

• Bush implemented Guantanamo Bay and Obama has continued it
• Bush implemented the Patriot Act (illegal, felonious surveillance on the American people) and Obama has expanded it exponentially
• Bush bailed out Wall Street and Obama followed that up with a bigger bailout
• More people have died in war under Obama than Bush

The fact that you bash Bush without mentioning Obama is fall down hilarious. You're too blind and partisan to realize those two guys are one in the same save for taxes.

Precisely. Great job.

I couldn't have said it better. Other than to have mentioned that Bush was just a continuation of the Clinton presidency, and Hillary and Cruz would just be a continuation of the Obama presidency.

 

[eagle1462010]

America is in decline..............and is more divided than ever before...........add in that we no longer trust our own government and the country is on the brink......................of............

 

[MisterBeale]

There is nothing we can come together on. A peaceful division is the best we can hope for.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Often the destruction of world powers comes from within.

The US is basically fucked, the rhetoric on both sides is killing the country and no one is willing to change.

Down we go.

 

[eagle1462010]

Often the destruction of world powers comes from within.

The US is basically fucked, the rhetoric on both sides is killing the country and no one is willing to change.

Down we go.

What CHANGE..............................Bernie Change..............

We have 2 parties who are political whores serving the same masters....................and are screwing this country royally.

 

[MisterBeale]

America is in decline..............and is more divided than ever before...........add in that we no longer trust our own government and the country is on the brink......................of............

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

 

[Dale Smith]

The left in this country has become so extreme and so radicalized that I've really come to the conclusion that the U.S. should be peacefully divide up so that conservatives can restore the United States of America (what ever half remained for us) and liberals would be free to destroy a new nation built on socialism and free from the Constitution that they hate so much.

I would really like to be wrong (for once). But watching liberals insist that a grown man has every right to walk into a women's restroom and slap women and little children in the face with their penis just affirms what I already thought.

So with that in mind - I'm wondering if anyone can post something that conservatives and liberals can come together on. There are some items which one would think we be basic and obvious (like the U.S. Constitution, defense, and the right of children to be free from the opposite sex in the restroom) but it would appear that would not be the case. If we can't even agree on these basic and obvious issues, what can we agree on?

Actually, lately, I have been devoting my time to researching something called the "Deep State."

It is a concept known as a State within a State.

It is something that liberals were afraid was taking control during the Bush admin, that has continued during the Obama admin. This is what Cindy Sheehan, (noted socialist) protested against. Did you know that she doesn't support Bernie Sanders or Hillary?

Here is an interview that Bill Moyers does of a Republican staffer, Mike Lofgren.

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]

During the last five years, the news media has been flooded with pundits decrying the broken politics of Washington. The conventional wisdom has it that partisan gridlock and dysfunction have become the new normal. That is certainly the case, and I have been among the harshest critics of this development. But it is also imperative to acknowledge the limits of this critique as it applies to the American governmental system. On one level, the critique is self-evident: In the domain that the public can see, Congress is hopelessly deadlocked in the worst manner since the 1850s, the violently rancorous decade preceding the Civil War.

As I wrote in The Party is Over, the present objective of congressional Republicans is to render the executive branch powerless, at least until a Republican president is elected (a goal that voter suppression laws in GOP-controlled states are clearly intended to accomplish). President Obama cannot enact his domestic policies and budgets: Because of incessant GOP filibustering, not only could he not fill the large number of vacancies in the federal judiciary, he could not even get his most innocuous presidential appointees into office. Democrats controlling the Senate have responded by weakening the filibuster of nominations, but Republicans are sure to react with other parliamentary delaying tactics. This strategy amounts to congressional nullification of executive branch powers by a party that controls a majority in only one house of Congress.

Despite this apparent impotence, President Obama can liquidate American citizens without due processes, detain prisoners indefinitely without charge, conduct dragnet surveillance on the American people without judicial warrant and engage in unprecedented — at least since the McCarthy era — witch hunts against federal employees (the so-called “Insider Threat Program”). Within the United States, this power is characterized by massive displays of intimidating force by militarized federal, state and local law enforcement. Abroad, President Obama can start wars at will and engage in virtually any other activity whatsoever without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, such as arranging the forced landing of a plane carrying a sovereign head of state over foreign territory. Despite the habitual cant of congressional Republicans about executive overreach by Obama, the would-be dictator, we have until recently heard very little from them about these actions — with the minor exception of comments from gadfly Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Democrats, save a few mavericks such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, are not unduly troubled, either — even to the extent of permitting seemingly perjured congressional testimony under oath by executive branch officials on the subject of illegal surveillance.

These are not isolated instances of a contradiction; they have been so pervasive that they tend to be disregarded as background noise. During the time in 2011 when political warfare over the debt ceiling was beginning to paralyze the business of governance in Washington, the United States government somehow summoned the resources to overthrow Muammar Ghaddafi’s regime in Libya, and, when the instability created by that coup spilled over into Mali, provide overt and covert assistance to French intervention there. At a time when there was heated debate about continuing meat inspections and civilian air traffic control because of the budget crisis, our government was somehow able to commit $115 millionto keeping a civil war going in Syria and to pay at least £100m to the United Kingdom’s Government Communications Headquarters to buy influence over and access to that country’s intelligence. Since 2007, two bridges carrying interstate highways have collapsed due to inadequate maintenance of infrastructure, one killing 13 people. During that same period of time, the government spent $1.7 billion constructing a building in Utah that is the size of 17 football fields. This mammoth structure is intended to allow the National Security Agency to store a yottabyte of information, the largest numerical designator computer scientists have coined. A yottabyte is equal to 500 quintillion pages of text. They need that much storage to archive every single trace of your electronic life.

Yes, there is another government concealed behind the one that is visible at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue, a hybrid entity of public and private institutions ruling the country according to consistent patterns in season and out, connected to, but only intermittently controlled by, the visible state whose leaders we choose. My analysis of this phenomenon is not an exposé of a secret, conspiratorial cabal; the state within a state is hiding mostly in plain sight, and its operators mainly act in the light of day. Nor can this other government be accurately termed an “establishment.” All complex societies have an establishment, a social network committed to its own enrichment and perpetuation. In terms of its scope, financial resources and sheer global reach, the American hybrid state, the Deep State, is in a class by itself. That said, it is neither omniscient nor invincible. The institution is not so much sinister (although it has highly sinister aspects) as it is relentlessly well entrenched. Far from being invincible, its failures, such as those in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, are routine enough that it is only the Deep State’s protectiveness towards its higher-ranking personnel that allows them to escape the consequences of their frequent ineptitude. [2]


Oddly enough, life long researcher and experience of a left leaning, ivory tower academic, Peter Dale Scott comes to the same conclusion. He was a Canadian diplomat for four years and a professor at Berkley for over thirty years.


The Hidden Government Group
by Peter Dale Scott
The Hidden Government Group, by Peter Dale Scott

For some time now, I have been analyzing American history in the light of what I have called structural deep events: events, like the JFK assassination, the Watergate break-in, Iran-Contra, or 9/11, which repeatedly involve law-breaking or violence, are mysterious to begin with, are embedded in ongoing covert processes, have political consequences that enlarge covert government, and are subsequently covered up by systematic falsifications in the mainstream media and internal government records. [1]


The more I study these deep events, the more I see suggestive similarities between them, increasing the possibility that they are not unrelated external intrusions on American history, but parts of an endemic process, sharing to some degree or other a common source. [2]


For example, one factor linking Dallas, Watergate, Iran-Contra, and 9/11, has been the involvement in all four deep events of personnel involved in America’s highest-level emergency planning, known since the 1950s as Continuity of Government (COG) planning, or more colloquially inside the Pentagon as “the Doomsday Project.” A few of these actors may have been located at the top, as overseers of the secret COG system. Others – including some I shall talk about today – were located further down in its secret communications network.


I see this planning group as one among many in what I have chosen to call the American deep state, along with agencies like the CIA and NSA, the private groups like Booz Allen Hamilton to which more than half of the US intelligence budget is outsourced, [3] and finally the powerful banks and corporations whose views are well represented in the CIA and NSA. But if only one group among many, the COG planning group is also special, because of its control of and access to a communications channel, not under government control, that can reach deeply into the US social structure. I discuss these matters at some length in my next book, The American Deep State, due out in November.


COG planning was originally authorized by Truman and Eisenhower as planning for a response to a crippling atomic attack that had decapitated government. In consequence its planning group contemplated extreme measures, including what Alfonso Chardy in 1987 called “suspension of the Constitution.” [4] And yet in Iran-Contra its asset of a secret communications network, developed for the catastrophe of decapitation, was used instead to evade an official embargo on arms sales to Iran that dated back to 1979. My question today is whether the network could have been similarly misused in November 1963.


The Iran-contra misuse has been well-documented. Oliver North supervised the sale of arms to Iran by using his resources as the National Security Council action officer for COG planning, under cover of a “National Program Office” that was overseen by then Vice-President George H. W. Bush. [5] North and his superiors could thus use the COG emergency network, known then as Flashboard, for the arms sales to Iran that had to be concealed from other parts of the Washington bureaucracy as well as the public. So when North had to send emergency instructions for arms delivery to the US Embassy in Lisbon, instructions that directly contravened the embargo prohibiting such sales, he used the Flashboard network to avoid alerting the Ambassador and other unwitting personnel.


The documented example of Iran-Contra allows me to explain what I am saying about the users of the COG network, and also what I am not saying. To begin with, I am not saying that a single “Secret Team” has for decades been using the COG network to manipulate the US Government from outside it. There is no evidence to suggest that North’s actions in Iran-Contra were known to any of his superiors other than CIA chief William Casey and probably George Bush. The point is that a very small group had access to a high-level secret network outside government review, in order to implement a program in opposition to government policy. They succumbed to the temptation to use this secure network that had been designed for other purposes. I have argued elsewhere that this secure network was used again on 9/11, to implement key orders for which the 9/11 Commission could find no records. [6] Whether it was also used for illicit purposes is not known.


It is certain that the COG emergency network program survived North’s demise, and continued to be secretly developed for decades, at a cost of billions, and overseen by a team including Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. It is relevant that the two men’s presence on the committee spanned three administrations – those of Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton — even though at one point under Clinton neither man held a position inside the U.S. government. Such continuity was essential for a group so secret that few records existed of its activities. And on 9/11 COG plans were officially implemented for the first time, by Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, the two men who had planned them for so many years. [7]


Whether or not they knew about Iran-Contra, Cheney and Rumsfeld were on the COG planning committee at the time of Iran-Contra. There is no such obvious link between COG planning and Watergate, but the involvement of COG personnel in Watergate is nonetheless striking. James McCord, one of the Watergate burglars, was a member of a small Air Force Reserve unit in Washington attached to the Office of Emergency Preparedness (OEP) that was assigned “to draw up lists of radicals and to develop contingency plans for censorship of the news media and U.S. mail in time of war.” [8] His unit was part of the Wartime Information Security Program (WISP), which had responsibility for activating “contingency plans for imposing censorship on the press, the mails and all telecommunications (including government communications) [and] preventive detention of civilian ‘security risks,’ who would be placed in military ‘camps.’” [9] In addition, John Dean, perhaps the central Watergate figure, had overseen secret COG activities when serving as the associate deputy attorney general. [10]


In the case of the JFK assassination, I wish to focus on two men who functioned as part of the communications network of the Office of Emergency Planning (OEP), the agency renamed in 1968 as the Office of Emergency Preparedness (to which McCord was attached), and renamed again in 1982 as the National Program Office (for which Oliver North was the action officer). [11]

And here is the concrete evidence that you need to verify that every year, the POTUS extends the state of emergency that authorizes the C.O.G. which suspends Constitutional law, which troubles, alternately, (depending on who is control of the oval office,) each and every year. Unless the Congress challenges this, every year, the state of emergency which was declared in 2001 continues.

Message -- Continuation of the National Emergency With Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
Message -- Continuation of the National Emergency With Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks


Ostensibly, this is what both Ike and JFK warned us about.

God bless you....wish I could give that post 1,000 "Thank You's". There is the government that we see that we believe represents us and then there is the shadow government that is secretly pulling the strings. It's like the WWF...you have the wrestlers (politicians) that act out the script of the ones that own WWF (the bankers) to give us the illusion that we have a say and nothing could be further from the truth.

This corporate entity was created in deception and it has only gotten more corrupt and more deviant over time. The coup de e'tat that happened when JFK was publicly murdered was truly the day that the final nail in the future of this country was hammered. We have simply been dying a slow death since then....like a once healthy 60 pound dog that has a 40 pound tick attached to it and sucking it's life's blood...slowly and a little at a time and getting more and more bloated. This corporate entity that tries to pass it's self off as a legitimate governmental body is nothing but a for profit venture when it was taken into receivership by the International Monetary Fund in 1950 after the Federal Reserve bankers bankrupted us but here is the rub, they also own and control the IMF. They bankrupted us, liquidated our assets and then pawned us off on another one of their subsidiaries....new boss is the same as the old boss with the same results...but their wealth was 100 percent protected. If people only knew...if they could ONLY comprehend what has been done to them....SMH.

But let's be honest - how was any of that possible? The complete and total abandonment of the U.S. Constitution by progressive idiots like Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

If the highest law in the land is strictly enforced (as it absolutely should be), there is no Federal Reserve, IMF, etc. There is no Department of Energy, Department of Education, etc. bankrupting the nation.

How is that possible? He that pays the piper picks the tune. We have had patriots on both sides of the political aisles that stood against the Federal Reserve but money talks. Wilson later regretted what he did...not that it means anything and FDR 100% totally sold us out by making our labor surety on the debt and doing the gold confiscation which robbed the people of REAL money instead of a fiat currency with no intrinsic value and that is why we are about to crash.

I think it is important to remember that patriotic liberals in America have been silenced by the MSM. Americans in this nation have NOT been heard from.

As I intimated in my original post, folks that are TRUE to their families and communities here in America yet have left leaning political leanings have much in common with conservatives. They have noted that the Democrats were bought out and went off the cliff.

Leftists such as Naomi Wolf and the LaRache PAC all are aware of the danger of the globalists. They also have abhorred what is being done by these fascist globalists.

Naomi Wolf, a notable progressive, wrote a book during the Bush admin. called, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot," and was asked to give a presentation to a libertarian forum. She finally saw the light about the 2nd amendment. That says something when progressives see the reason why the 2nd amendment was drafted by founders.



Likewise, the LaRouche PAC has been marginalized and ridiculed by the MSM, even though they are a liberal PAC. They are patriotic left leaning Americans that are opposed to giving over American sovereignty to the global corporations.

Yep, what we have today are pseudo liberals and Fabian socialists that believe that the state is the answer and it is all about serving the collective...the neocons are cut from the same sorry cloth and at the top they all work together and they have common ties that bind. I have gone down that rabbit hole once the scales fell from my eyes and I lost all partisanship because finding the truth became an obsession and remains to this day. I don't have all the answers, but I know a great deal. I have learned to have great admiration for people i once thought I should despise to despising people I once held in high esteem.

It'a helluva thing to have your whole belief system crushed and smashed into tiny bite size pieces with the realization that I had been played for a chump while being a tiny part of the problem. Trying to get people to snap out their daze has proven to be a daunting task...for every one person I get to wake up, I am attacked by ten that say I am crazy even though they have never done any research or reading. Throwing off the programming that has been instilled in you from childhood has been the toughest thing I have ever undertaken but I will say this...once you unplug and shun television, it's amazing how the clarity of thought returns and the ability to discern information is simply a given. I can't even watch an occasional football game at a sports bar without getting a headache when at one time I couldn't go to sleep unless it was on in the background. Television is the greatest propaganda tool ever. The flicker rate that can instill messages into your mind that you can't see but it affects you subliminally was something the Tavistock and Brookings Institutes figured out a long time ago. That is why people that don't believe anything that doesn't fall in lockstep with the corporate media....the blind trust they have from manufactured news is a huge reason as to why we are at this place in time. I love to look up old footage of news reels from the 50'sand 60's before it was totally taken over but even some of that stuff was manufactured......but compared to what we have today back when I watched it?? No comparison. Glad that you are awake , my friend....always love to read your postings....good on ya

 

[Dale Smith]

For those that say that the divisions we face is a chasm too deep and wide to overcome? I will politely beg to differ. We are being pitted against each other for a reason. If you have love for your fellow man and you are willing to look at how we got to this place without trying to play the "blame game"? Then you are my brother and you are my sister. We can agree to disagree and still love and respect each other. If we have a chance to throw off the shackles of this debt slavery system that we are under? Many of our differences would vanish instantly...if you believe that our rights come from a higher power or energy source than a "benevolent" government ruled by a small faction of elitists that have used their wealth to enslave humanity that can bestow privileges or withdraw them at their whim? We are kindred spirits....we don't need these people.......they can't function without us. We fix things, we have the ability to create inventions...all they have is a power that we can easily take from them if we simply wake up. I bet there isn't one globalist that would have the slightest idea on how to change a tire....because they depend on us. The system is what it is because we got fat and lazy and accepted the slow erosion of our freedoms....never questioning because our lives were so cozy....you best beware because that rug is about to be yanked out from under us....

 

[MisterBeale]

Actually, lately, I have been devoting my time to researching something called the "Deep State."

It is a concept known as a State within a State.

It is something that liberals were afraid was taking control during the Bush admin, that has continued during the Obama admin. This is what Cindy Sheehan, (noted socialist) protested against. Did you know that she doesn't support Bernie Sanders or Hillary?

Here is an interview that Bill Moyers does of a Republican staffer, Mike Lofgren.

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]

During the last five years, the news media has been flooded with pundits decrying the broken politics of Washington. The conventional wisdom has it that partisan gridlock and dysfunction have become the new normal. That is certainly the case, and I have been among the harshest critics of this development. But it is also imperative to acknowledge the limits of this critique as it applies to the American governmental system. On one level, the critique is self-evident: In the domain that the public can see, Congress is hopelessly deadlocked in the worst manner since the 1850s, the violently rancorous decade preceding the Civil War.

As I wrote in The Party is Over, the present objective of congressional Republicans is to render the executive branch powerless, at least until a Republican president is elected (a goal that voter suppression laws in GOP-controlled states are clearly intended to accomplish). President Obama cannot enact his domestic policies and budgets: Because of incessant GOP filibustering, not only could he not fill the large number of vacancies in the federal judiciary, he could not even get his most innocuous presidential appointees into office. Democrats controlling the Senate have responded by weakening the filibuster of nominations, but Republicans are sure to react with other parliamentary delaying tactics. This strategy amounts to congressional nullification of executive branch powers by a party that controls a majority in only one house of Congress.

Despite this apparent impotence, President Obama can liquidate American citizens without due processes, detain prisoners indefinitely without charge, conduct dragnet surveillance on the American people without judicial warrant and engage in unprecedented — at least since the McCarthy era — witch hunts against federal employees (the so-called “Insider Threat Program”). Within the United States, this power is characterized by massive displays of intimidating force by militarized federal, state and local law enforcement. Abroad, President Obama can start wars at will and engage in virtually any other activity whatsoever without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, such as arranging the forced landing of a plane carrying a sovereign head of state over foreign territory. Despite the habitual cant of congressional Republicans about executive overreach by Obama, the would-be dictator, we have until recently heard very little from them about these actions — with the minor exception of comments from gadfly Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Democrats, save a few mavericks such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, are not unduly troubled, either — even to the extent of permitting seemingly perjured congressional testimony under oath by executive branch officials on the subject of illegal surveillance.

These are not isolated instances of a contradiction; they have been so pervasive that they tend to be disregarded as background noise. During the time in 2011 when political warfare over the debt ceiling was beginning to paralyze the business of governance in Washington, the United States government somehow summoned the resources to overthrow Muammar Ghaddafi’s regime in Libya, and, when the instability created by that coup spilled over into Mali, provide overt and covert assistance to French intervention there. At a time when there was heated debate about continuing meat inspections and civilian air traffic control because of the budget crisis, our government was somehow able to commit $115 millionto keeping a civil war going in Syria and to pay at least £100m to the United Kingdom’s Government Communications Headquarters to buy influence over and access to that country’s intelligence. Since 2007, two bridges carrying interstate highways have collapsed due to inadequate maintenance of infrastructure, one killing 13 people. During that same period of time, the government spent $1.7 billion constructing a building in Utah that is the size of 17 football fields. This mammoth structure is intended to allow the National Security Agency to store a yottabyte of information, the largest numerical designator computer scientists have coined. A yottabyte is equal to 500 quintillion pages of text. They need that much storage to archive every single trace of your electronic life.

Yes, there is another government concealed behind the one that is visible at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue, a hybrid entity of public and private institutions ruling the country according to consistent patterns in season and out, connected to, but only intermittently controlled by, the visible state whose leaders we choose. My analysis of this phenomenon is not an exposé of a secret, conspiratorial cabal; the state within a state is hiding mostly in plain sight, and its operators mainly act in the light of day. Nor can this other government be accurately termed an “establishment.” All complex societies have an establishment, a social network committed to its own enrichment and perpetuation. In terms of its scope, financial resources and sheer global reach, the American hybrid state, the Deep State, is in a class by itself. That said, it is neither omniscient nor invincible. The institution is not so much sinister (although it has highly sinister aspects) as it is relentlessly well entrenched. Far from being invincible, its failures, such as those in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, are routine enough that it is only the Deep State’s protectiveness towards its higher-ranking personnel that allows them to escape the consequences of their frequent ineptitude. [2]


Oddly enough, life long researcher and experience of a left leaning, ivory tower academic, Peter Dale Scott comes to the same conclusion. He was a Canadian diplomat for four years and a professor at Berkley for over thirty years.


The Hidden Government Group
by Peter Dale Scott
The Hidden Government Group, by Peter Dale Scott

For some time now, I have been analyzing American history in the light of what I have called structural deep events: events, like the JFK assassination, the Watergate break-in, Iran-Contra, or 9/11, which repeatedly involve law-breaking or violence, are mysterious to begin with, are embedded in ongoing covert processes, have political consequences that enlarge covert government, and are subsequently covered up by systematic falsifications in the mainstream media and internal government records. [1]


The more I study these deep events, the more I see suggestive similarities between them, increasing the possibility that they are not unrelated external intrusions on American history, but parts of an endemic process, sharing to some degree or other a common source. [2]


For example, one factor linking Dallas, Watergate, Iran-Contra, and 9/11, has been the involvement in all four deep events of personnel involved in America’s highest-level emergency planning, known since the 1950s as Continuity of Government (COG) planning, or more colloquially inside the Pentagon as “the Doomsday Project.” A few of these actors may have been located at the top, as overseers of the secret COG system. Others – including some I shall talk about today – were located further down in its secret communications network.


I see this planning group as one among many in what I have chosen to call the American deep state, along with agencies like the CIA and NSA, the private groups like Booz Allen Hamilton to which more than half of the US intelligence budget is outsourced, [3] and finally the powerful banks and corporations whose views are well represented in the CIA and NSA. But if only one group among many, the COG planning group is also special, because of its control of and access to a communications channel, not under government control, that can reach deeply into the US social structure. I discuss these matters at some length in my next book, The American Deep State, due out in November.


COG planning was originally authorized by Truman and Eisenhower as planning for a response to a crippling atomic attack that had decapitated government. In consequence its planning group contemplated extreme measures, including what Alfonso Chardy in 1987 called “suspension of the Constitution.” [4] And yet in Iran-Contra its asset of a secret communications network, developed for the catastrophe of decapitation, was used instead to evade an official embargo on arms sales to Iran that dated back to 1979. My question today is whether the network could have been similarly misused in November 1963.


The Iran-contra misuse has been well-documented. Oliver North supervised the sale of arms to Iran by using his resources as the National Security Council action officer for COG planning, under cover of a “National Program Office” that was overseen by then Vice-President George H. W. Bush. [5] North and his superiors could thus use the COG emergency network, known then as Flashboard, for the arms sales to Iran that had to be concealed from other parts of the Washington bureaucracy as well as the public. So when North had to send emergency instructions for arms delivery to the US Embassy in Lisbon, instructions that directly contravened the embargo prohibiting such sales, he used the Flashboard network to avoid alerting the Ambassador and other unwitting personnel.


The documented example of Iran-Contra allows me to explain what I am saying about the users of the COG network, and also what I am not saying. To begin with, I am not saying that a single “Secret Team” has for decades been using the COG network to manipulate the US Government from outside it. There is no evidence to suggest that North’s actions in Iran-Contra were known to any of his superiors other than CIA chief William Casey and probably George Bush. The point is that a very small group had access to a high-level secret network outside government review, in order to implement a program in opposition to government policy. They succumbed to the temptation to use this secure network that had been designed for other purposes. I have argued elsewhere that this secure network was used again on 9/11, to implement key orders for which the 9/11 Commission could find no records. [6] Whether it was also used for illicit purposes is not known.


It is certain that the COG emergency network program survived North’s demise, and continued to be secretly developed for decades, at a cost of billions, and overseen by a team including Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. It is relevant that the two men’s presence on the committee spanned three administrations – those of Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton — even though at one point under Clinton neither man held a position inside the U.S. government. Such continuity was essential for a group so secret that few records existed of its activities. And on 9/11 COG plans were officially implemented for the first time, by Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, the two men who had planned them for so many years. [7]


Whether or not they knew about Iran-Contra, Cheney and Rumsfeld were on the COG planning committee at the time of Iran-Contra. There is no such obvious link between COG planning and Watergate, but the involvement of COG personnel in Watergate is nonetheless striking. James McCord, one of the Watergate burglars, was a member of a small Air Force Reserve unit in Washington attached to the Office of Emergency Preparedness (OEP) that was assigned “to draw up lists of radicals and to develop contingency plans for censorship of the news media and U.S. mail in time of war.” [8] His unit was part of the Wartime Information Security Program (WISP), which had responsibility for activating “contingency plans for imposing censorship on the press, the mails and all telecommunications (including government communications) [and] preventive detention of civilian ‘security risks,’ who would be placed in military ‘camps.’” [9] In addition, John Dean, perhaps the central Watergate figure, had overseen secret COG activities when serving as the associate deputy attorney general. [10]


In the case of the JFK assassination, I wish to focus on two men who functioned as part of the communications network of the Office of Emergency Planning (OEP), the agency renamed in 1968 as the Office of Emergency Preparedness (to which McCord was attached), and renamed again in 1982 as the National Program Office (for which Oliver North was the action officer). [11]

And here is the concrete evidence that you need to verify that every year, the POTUS extends the state of emergency that authorizes the C.O.G. which suspends Constitutional law, which troubles, alternately, (depending on who is control of the oval office,) each and every year. Unless the Congress challenges this, every year, the state of emergency which was declared in 2001 continues.

Message -- Continuation of the National Emergency With Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
Message -- Continuation of the National Emergency With Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks


Ostensibly, this is what both Ike and JFK warned us about.

God bless you....wish I could give that post 1,000 "Thank You's". There is the government that we see that we believe represents us and then there is the shadow government that is secretly pulling the strings. It's like the WWF...you have the wrestlers (politicians) that act out the script of the ones that own WWF (the bankers) to give us the illusion that we have a say and nothing could be further from the truth.

This corporate entity was created in deception and it has only gotten more corrupt and more deviant over time. The coup de e'tat that happened when JFK was publicly murdered was truly the day that the final nail in the future of this country was hammered. We have simply been dying a slow death since then....like a once healthy 60 pound dog that has a 40 pound tick attached to it and sucking it's life's blood...slowly and a little at a time and getting more and more bloated. This corporate entity that tries to pass it's self off as a legitimate governmental body is nothing but a for profit venture when it was taken into receivership by the International Monetary Fund in 1950 after the Federal Reserve bankers bankrupted us but here is the rub, they also own and control the IMF. They bankrupted us, liquidated our assets and then pawned us off on another one of their subsidiaries....new boss is the same as the old boss with the same results...but their wealth was 100 percent protected. If people only knew...if they could ONLY comprehend what has been done to them....SMH.

But let's be honest - how was any of that possible? The complete and total abandonment of the U.S. Constitution by progressive idiots like Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

If the highest law in the land is strictly enforced (as it absolutely should be), there is no Federal Reserve, IMF, etc. There is no Department of Energy, Department of Education, etc. bankrupting the nation.

How is that possible? He that pays the piper picks the tune. We have had patriots on both sides of the political aisles that stood against the Federal Reserve but money talks. Wilson later regretted what he did...not that it means anything and FDR 100% totally sold us out by making our labor surety on the debt and doing the gold confiscation which robbed the people of REAL money instead of a fiat currency with no intrinsic value and that is why we are about to crash.

I think it is important to remember that patriotic liberals in America have been silenced by the MSM. Americans in this nation have NOT been heard from.

As I intimated in my original post, folks that are TRUE to their families and communities here in America yet have left leaning political leanings have much in common with conservatives. They have noted that the Democrats were bought out and went off the cliff.

Leftists such as Naomi Wolf and the LaRache PAC all are aware of the danger of the globalists. They also have abhorred what is being done by these fascist globalists.

Naomi Wolf, a notable progressive, wrote a book during the Bush admin. called, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot," and was asked to give a presentation to a libertarian forum. She finally saw the light about the 2nd amendment. That says something when progressives see the reason why the 2nd amendment was drafted by founders.



Likewise, the LaRouche PAC has been marginalized and ridiculed by the MSM, even though they are a liberal PAC. They are patriotic left leaning Americans that are opposed to giving over American sovereignty to the global corporations.

Yep, what we have today are pseudo liberals and Fabian socialists that believe that the state is the answer and it is all about serving the collective...the neocons are cut from the same sorry cloth and at the top they all work together and they have common ties that bind. I have gone down that rabbit hole once the scales fell from my eyes and I lost all partisanship because finding the truth became an obsession and remains to this day. I don't have all the answers, but I know a great deal. I have learned to have great admiration for people i once thought I should despise to despising people I once held in high esteem.

It'a helluva thing to have your whole belief system crushed and smashed into tiny bite size pieces with the realization that I had been played for a chump while being a tiny part of the problem. Trying to get people to snap out their daze has proven to be a daunting task...for every one person I get to wake up, I am attacked by ten that say I am crazy even though they have never done any research or reading. Throwing off the programming that has been instilled in you from childhood has been the toughest thing I have ever undertaken but I will say this...once you unplug and shun television, it's amazing how the clarity of thought returns and the ability to discern information is simply a given. I can't even watch an occasional football game at a sports bar without getting a headache when at one time I couldn't go to sleep unless it was on in the background. Television is the greatest propaganda tool ever. The flicker rate that can instill messages into your mind that you can't see but it affects you subliminally was something the Tavistock and Brookings Institutes figured out a long time ago. That is why people that don't believe anything that doesn't fall in lockstep with the corporate media....the blind trust they have from manufactured news is a huge reason as to why we are at this place in time. I love to look up old footage of news reels from the 50'sand 60's before it was totally taken over but even some of that stuff was manufactured......but compared to what we have today back when I watched it?? No comparison. Glad that you are awake , my friend....always love to read your postings....good on ya

I honestly don't have the answers.

I was trained in political science and liberal arts. I have met my heroes, and attended a couple institutions of higher learning.

I have also lived in ghettos and trailer parks. The elites don't read Plato's dialogs so much as a philosophical texts, but as a blue print.

The problem is, men AREN'T angles, there are no "philosopher kings," so that plan can never work. It doesn't stop them from believing a Statist Utopian can't be achieved. All the elites read the famous political tracts, (Roseau, Marx, Smith, Hobbes, Locke, Machiavelli, etc.) and actually have lofty notions that run counter to human nature, because they have no experience living with the salt of the land. They have illusions about what can be achieved. When their illusions don't pan out, often times, their solutions involve unspeakable genocides. Genocides are never forgotten.

On the same token, the lower classes don't have a care about any of that. They remain politically ignorant, and they always will.

In a modern world, pure anarchy can't be the answer, but the violence that government force implies is not the answer either. Humankind has become too enlightened for "government." Reagan's political philosophy that got him elected was on the mark, but then he betrayed it after he was elected.

So I don't have the answer.

Strangely enough, if we can't reform this system, with the technology we have today, believe it or not, all the weakness that the original Articles of Confederation had, could easily be solved with technological integration of a confederated technocracy. That is, if the middle classes were involved and the elite moneyed dark state were kicked out of power. How this could be achieved? I don't pretend to know. Everyone has their ego much too attached to the State, having them take care of things, rather than having families and communities take care of each other.

I don't know how to reform the current system or switch to the former to tell the truth. However, I do think that power needs to flow back to families and communities to where it belongs. Otherwise, the trend will be toward more and more centralization.

A far off capital never knows how to serve a community as well as local representatives. That is government 101.

 

[Dale Smith]

God bless you....wish I could give that post 1,000 "Thank You's". There is the government that we see that we believe represents us and then there is the shadow government that is secretly pulling the strings. It's like the WWF...you have the wrestlers (politicians) that act out the script of the ones that own WWF (the bankers) to give us the illusion that we have a say and nothing could be further from the truth.

This corporate entity was created in deception and it has only gotten more corrupt and more deviant over time. The coup de e'tat that happened when JFK was publicly murdered was truly the day that the final nail in the future of this country was hammered. We have simply been dying a slow death since then....like a once healthy 60 pound dog that has a 40 pound tick attached to it and sucking it's life's blood...slowly and a little at a time and getting more and more bloated. This corporate entity that tries to pass it's self off as a legitimate governmental body is nothing but a for profit venture when it was taken into receivership by the International Monetary Fund in 1950 after the Federal Reserve bankers bankrupted us but here is the rub, they also own and control the IMF. They bankrupted us, liquidated our assets and then pawned us off on another one of their subsidiaries....new boss is the same as the old boss with the same results...but their wealth was 100 percent protected. If people only knew...if they could ONLY comprehend what has been done to them....SMH.

But let's be honest - how was any of that possible? The complete and total abandonment of the U.S. Constitution by progressive idiots like Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

If the highest law in the land is strictly enforced (as it absolutely should be), there is no Federal Reserve, IMF, etc. There is no Department of Energy, Department of Education, etc. bankrupting the nation.

How is that possible? He that pays the piper picks the tune. We have had patriots on both sides of the political aisles that stood against the Federal Reserve but money talks. Wilson later regretted what he did...not that it means anything and FDR 100% totally sold us out by making our labor surety on the debt and doing the gold confiscation which robbed the people of REAL money instead of a fiat currency with no intrinsic value and that is why we are about to crash.

I think it is important to remember that patriotic liberals in America have been silenced by the MSM. Americans in this nation have NOT been heard from.

As I intimated in my original post, folks that are TRUE to their families and communities here in America yet have left leaning political leanings have much in common with conservatives. They have noted that the Democrats were bought out and went off the cliff.

Leftists such as Naomi Wolf and the LaRache PAC all are aware of the danger of the globalists. They also have abhorred what is being done by these fascist globalists.

Naomi Wolf, a notable progressive, wrote a book during the Bush admin. called, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot," and was asked to give a presentation to a libertarian forum. She finally saw the light about the 2nd amendment. That says something when progressives see the reason why the 2nd amendment was drafted by founders.



Likewise, the LaRouche PAC has been marginalized and ridiculed by the MSM, even though they are a liberal PAC. They are patriotic left leaning Americans that are opposed to giving over American sovereignty to the global corporations.

Yep, what we have today are pseudo liberals and Fabian socialists that believe that the state is the answer and it is all about serving the collective...the neocons are cut from the same sorry cloth and at the top they all work together and they have common ties that bind. I have gone down that rabbit hole once the scales fell from my eyes and I lost all partisanship because finding the truth became an obsession and remains to this day. I don't have all the answers, but I know a great deal. I have learned to have great admiration for people i once thought I should despise to despising people I once held in high esteem.

It'a helluva thing to have your whole belief system crushed and smashed into tiny bite size pieces with the realization that I had been played for a chump while being a tiny part of the problem. Trying to get people to snap out their daze has proven to be a daunting task...for every one person I get to wake up, I am attacked by ten that say I am crazy even though they have never done any research or reading. Throwing off the programming that has been instilled in you from childhood has been the toughest thing I have ever undertaken but I will say this...once you unplug and shun television, it's amazing how the clarity of thought returns and the ability to discern information is simply a given. I can't even watch an occasional football game at a sports bar without getting a headache when at one time I couldn't go to sleep unless it was on in the background. Television is the greatest propaganda tool ever. The flicker rate that can instill messages into your mind that you can't see but it affects you subliminally was something the Tavistock and Brookings Institutes figured out a long time ago. That is why people that don't believe anything that doesn't fall in lockstep with the corporate media....the blind trust they have from manufactured news is a huge reason as to why we are at this place in time. I love to look up old footage of news reels from the 50'sand 60's before it was totally taken over but even some of that stuff was manufactured......but compared to what we have today back when I watched it?? No comparison. Glad that you are awake , my friend....always love to read your postings....good on ya

I honestly don't have the answers.

I was trained in political science and liberal arts. I have met my heroes, and attended a couple institutions of higher learning.

I have also lived in ghettos and trailer parks. The elites don't read Plato's dialogs so much as a philosophical texts, but as a blue print.

The problem is, men AREN'T angles, there are no "philosopher kings," so that plan can never work. It doesn't stop them from believing a Statist Utopian can't be achieved. All the elites read the famous political tracts, (Roseau, Marx, Smith, Hobbes, Locke, Machiavelli, etc.) and actually have lofty notions that run counter to human nature, because they have no experience living with the salt of the land. They have illusions about what can be achieved. When their illusions don't pan out, often times, their solutions involve unspeakable genocides. Genocides are never forgotten.

On the same token, the lower classes don't have a care about any of that. They remain politically ignorant, and they always will.

In a modern world, pure anarchy can't be the answer, but the violence that government force implies is not the answer either. Humankind has become too enlightened for "government." Reagan's political philosophy that got him elected was on the mark, but then he betrayed it after he was elected.

So I don't have the answer.

Strangely enough, if we can't reform this system, with the technology we have today, believe it or not, all the weakness that the original Articles of Confederation had, could easily be solved with technological integration of a confederated technocracy. That is, if the middle classes were involved and the elite moneyed dark state were kicked out of power. How this could be achieved? I don't pretend to know. Everyone has their ego much too attached to the State, having them take care of things, rather than having families and communities take care of each other.

I don't know how to reform the current system or switch to the former to tell the truth. However, I do think that power needs to flow back to families and communities to where it belongs. Otherwise, the trend will be toward more and more centralization.

A far off capital never knows how to serve a community as well as local representatives. That is government 101.

How about a return to common law instead of admiralty law. Under common law, if there is no victim, there is no crime. It is based off of four things...do not harm others, do not harm their property, do not steal and honor the contracts that you sign. right now there are over 800,000 acts, statutes and codes and they put more into action after every legislation session..... all designed to bring in more money for this massive corporate entity.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Often the destruction of world powers comes from within.

The US is basically fucked, the rhetoric on both sides is killing the country and no one is willing to change.

Down we go.

What CHANGE..............................Bernie Change..............

We have 2 parties who are political whores serving the same masters....................and are screwing this country royally.

No, I don't think Bernie is the change the US needs. The change that is needed goes much further than one man.

I suppose one man with the right ideas could do it, but I doubt it'd ever happen.

But yes, the two main parties fuck everyone and everyone votes for a good hard fucking.

 

[Mac1958]

The division pimps - those on both sides of the political spectrum who have a vested professional interest in keeping us angry and divided and stuck on shallow, bumper sticker thinking- have won. At least for the foreseeable future.

But only because their sheep have been played. The pimps wouldn't have any power, NONE, if they didn't have their obedient flocks.
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[IsaacNewton]

Conservatives have moved so far to the right the last 15 years, and, being tethered by rope to liberals on the other end up on the plateau, that they are dangling over a cliff on that rope and asking, "what, you won't move closer so we get along?"

Only the implosion of the Republican party and the birth of two or three parties out of it, where the conservative socialists, the greedy money grubbers, and the faux-libertarians each have their own party and their own voice can a real discussion with liberals take place. And Republicans have to re-engage the word 'compromise'. The founders created this government as forced compromise so no one faction could rule over everyone else, but when you in essence say two months after a new president is elected "we will oppose everything he does" and then do that, you turn the government down a dead end road. Anyone wanting to do that has no business being in government and getting paid 200k by the taxpayers to sit on their ass and gloat about how little they do.

 

[eagle1462010]

Conservatives have moved so far to the right the last 15 years, and, being tethered by rope to liberals on the other end up on the plateau, that they are dangling over a cliff on that rope and asking, "what, you won't move closer so we get along?"

Only the implosion of the Republican party and the birth of two or three parties out of it, where the conservative socialists, the greedy money grubbers, and the faux-libertarians each have their own party and their own voice can a real discussion with liberals take place. And Republicans have to re-engage the word 'compromise'. The founders created this government as forced compromise so no one faction could rule over everyone else, but when you in essence say two months after a new president is elected "we will oppose everything he does" and then do that, you turn the government down a dead end road. Anyone wanting to do that has no business being in government and getting paid 200k by the taxpayers to sit on their ass and gloat about how little they do.

Your side has moved so far left that you would reject Kennedy today and call him a TEA PARTY TERRORIST.............

We haven't moved.............You have just gone off the reservation............so far that you believe your hard left views are actually moderate......yet the middle needs a telescope just to see your asses...

 

[IsaacNewton]

Conservatives have moved so far to the right the last 15 years, and, being tethered by rope to liberals on the other end up on the plateau, that they are dangling over a cliff on that rope and asking, "what, you won't move closer so we get along?"

Only the implosion of the Republican party and the birth of two or three parties out of it, where the conservative socialists, the greedy money grubbers, and the faux-libertarians each have their own party and their own voice can a real discussion with liberals take place. And Republicans have to re-engage the word 'compromise'. The founders created this government as forced compromise so no one faction could rule over everyone else, but when you in essence say two months after a new president is elected "we will oppose everything he does" and then do that, you turn the government down a dead end road. Anyone wanting to do that has no business being in government and getting paid 200k by the taxpayers to sit on their ass and gloat about how little they do.

Your side has moved so far left that you would reject Kennedy today and call him a TEA PARTY TERRORIST.............

We haven't moved.............You have just gone off the reservation............so far that you believe your hard left views are actually moderate......yet the middle needs a telescope just to see your asses...

Yes I know, there are many who view their party like you, never wrong, always speaking manna from heaven.

The reality is tough for some I know. This isn't just my opinion, there are countless articles by conservatives who say exactly the same thing that I noted. The Republican party is off the ranch.

 

[eagle1462010]

Conservatives have moved so far to the right the last 15 years, and, being tethered by rope to liberals on the other end up on the plateau, that they are dangling over a cliff on that rope and asking, "what, you won't move closer so we get along?"

Only the implosion of the Republican party and the birth of two or three parties out of it, where the conservative socialists, the greedy money grubbers, and the faux-libertarians each have their own party and their own voice can a real discussion with liberals take place. And Republicans have to re-engage the word 'compromise'. The founders created this government as forced compromise so no one faction could rule over everyone else, but when you in essence say two months after a new president is elected "we will oppose everything he does" and then do that, you turn the government down a dead end road. Anyone wanting to do that has no business being in government and getting paid 200k by the taxpayers to sit on their ass and gloat about how little they do.

Your side has moved so far left that you would reject Kennedy today and call him a TEA PARTY TERRORIST.............

We haven't moved.............You have just gone off the reservation............so far that you believe your hard left views are actually moderate......yet the middle needs a telescope just to see your asses...

Yes I know, there are many who view their party like you, never wrong, always speaking manna from heaven.

The reality is tough for some I know. This isn't just my opinion, there are countless articles by conservatives who say exactly the same thing that I noted. The Republican party is off the ranch.

Feel the Bern Liberal..............If Bernie isn't far left.............then I'm a monkey's uncle...............

He wants to spend an extra 18 Trillion over the next 10 years..........when we are 20 Trillion in debt............If that isn't far left extremism.........then I have something to sell you....

 

[eddiew]

The left in this country has become so extreme and so radicalized that I've really come to the conclusion that the U.S. should be peacefully divide up so that conservatives can restore the United States of America (what ever half remained for us) and liberals would be free to destroy a new nation built on socialism and free from the Constitution that they hate so much.

I would really like to be wrong (for once). But watching liberals insist that a grown man has every right to walk into a women's restroom and slap women and little children in the face with their penis just affirms what I already thought.

So with that in mind - I'm wondering if anyone can post something that conservatives and liberals can come together on. There are some items which one would think we be basic and obvious (like the U.S. Constitution, defense, and the right of children to be free from the opposite sex in the restroom) but it would appear that would not be the case. If we can't even agree on these basic and obvious issues, what can we agree on?

Yes you did such a great job while bush and you pukes were defiling this country for 8 years

Unlike you my friend - I'm not a blind obedient minion to my leaders or a party. I vehemently oppose much of what George W. Bush did. I've got a $1,000 right now that says you cannot say the same thing about any Democrat ever.

The amazing thing is, you people bash Bush like there is no tomorrow and give Obama unlimited blowjobs despite the fact that Obama has followed every policy implemented by Bush and expanded on them other than taxes:

• Bush implemented Guantanamo Bay and Obama has continued it
• Bush implemented the Patriot Act (illegal, felonious surveillance on the American people) and Obama has expanded it exponentially
• Bush bailed out Wall Street and Obama followed that up with a bigger bailout
• More people have died in war under Obama than Bush

The fact that you bash Bush without mentioning Obama is fall down hilarious. You're too blind and partisan to realize those two guys are one in the same save for taxes.

There is good reason for not mentioning Obama Your patriots lol do such a great job I find there's no need to pile on with the 2 or 3 disagreements I have