Is there anything in life worse to be than an armchair chickenhawk?

No he volunteered to defend the skies of Houston, Texas during the Vietnam War.

So he wasn't willing to fight in a war like the one in Vietnam where no american freedoms were being challenged, but he was willing to do everything in his power to start a war in Iraq when no american freedoms were being challenged.

Wrong. He volunteered to go to Vietnam.
Or this confirmation that Bush volunteered for Operation Palace Alert, which would have sent him to Viet Nam in combat had he been accepted:

A former senior Virginia Air National Guard commander, who served with George W. Bush in the Texas Air Guard, says Bush volunteered for Vietnam combat service but was turned down because he did not have the required flight experience. ...

According to Campenni, Bush inquired about participating in a volunteer program called Palace Alert that used Air National Guard pilots flying in the F-102 Delta Dagger interceptor jet in Vietnam.

The Air Guard advised Bush he did not have the desired 500 hours of flight time as a pilot to qualify for Palace Alert duty, and, in any event, the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.​

So in your opinion

1.) He didn't know about the flight requirement and figured they just would've thrown him in a plane and sent off to war without experience.

2.) He couldn't change his path and enlist in another department once he learned of the requirements he didn't meet.

The better view is to just ignore your blog entirely.

Washingtonpost.com: At Height of Vietnam, Bush Picks Guard

It was May 27, 1968, at the height of the Vietnam War. Bush was 12 days away from losing his student deferment from the draft at a time when Americans were dying in combat at the rate of 350 a week. The unit Bush wanted to join offered him the chance to fulfill his military commitment at a base in Texas. It was seen as an escape route from Vietnam by many men his age, and usually had a long waiting list.

Bush had scored only 25 percent on a "pilot aptitude" test, the lowest acceptable grade. But his father was then a congressman from Houston, and the commanders of the Texas Guard clearly had an appreciation of politics.

Bush was sworn in as an airman the same day he applied. His commander, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, was apparently so pleased to have a VIP's son in his unit that he later staged a special ceremony so he could have his picture taken administering the oath, instead of the captain who actually had sworn Bush in. Later, when Bush was commissioned a second lieutenant by another subordinate, Staudt again staged a special ceremony for the cameras, this time with Bush's father the congressman – a supporter of the Vietnam War – standing proudly in the background.
That article seems to leave some information out. Gasp.
Although Mr. Bush's unit in Texas had a waiting list for many spots, he was accepted because he was one of a handful
of applicants willing and qualified to spend more than a year in active training, and extra shifts after training, flying
single--seat F-
-102 fighter jets.

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Such are the details that emerge from a review of Mr. Bush's service record by The Dallas Morning News, along with
interviews with Guard leaders, former colleagues and state officials familiar with that unit.

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Records provided to The News by Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard, show that the unit Mr.
Bush signed up for was not filled. In mid--1968, the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, based in Houston, had 156 openings
among its authorized staff of 925 military personnel.

Of those, 26 openings were for officer slots, such as that filled by Mr. Bush, and 130 were for enlisted men and
women. Also, several former Air Force pilots who served in the unit said that they were recruited from elsewhere to fly
for the Texas Guard.

Officers who supervised Mr. Bush and approved his admission to the Guard said they were never contacted by anyone
on Mr. Bush's behalf.

"He didn't have any strings pulled, because there weren't any strings to pull," said Leroy Thompson of Brownwood,
who commanded the squadron that kept the waiting list for the guard at Ellington Air Force Base. "Our practices were
under incredible scrutiny then. It was a very ticklish time."

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In an interview, Mr. Bush said he walked into Col. Staudt's Houston office and told him he wanted to be a fighter pilot.

"He told me they were looking for pilots," Mr. Bush said. He said he was told that there were five or six flying slots
available, and he got one of them.

While Guard slots generally were coveted, pilot positions required superior education, physical fitness and the
willingness to spend more than a year in full--time training.

"If somebody like that came along, you'd snatch them up," said the former commander, who retired as a general. "He
took no advantage. It wouldn't have made any difference whether his daddy was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff."

Bobby Hodges, the group's operations officer, and others familiar with Guard rules said Mr. Bush made it to the top
of the short list of candidates who could pass both the written officer test and a rigorous flight physical to qualify for the
three to four annual pilot training "quotas" allotted to the unit.

Mr. Hodges and Gen. Staudt are the two surviving members of the military panel that reviewed and approved Mr.
Bush's officer commission.

Most of those wanting to get into the Guard at that time, they said, didn't want to put in the full year of active service
that was required to become a pilot.

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Mr. Bush's application for the Guard included a box to be checked specifying whether he did or did not volunteer for
overseas duty. His includes a check mark in the box not wanting to volunteer for such an assignment.

But several personnel officers said that part of the application for domestic Guard units routinely would be filled out
that way by a clerk typist, then given to the applicant to sign.

Mr. Bush has said that he signed up for but lacked the number of flying hours to participate in a program called the
Palace Alert, which eventually rotated nine pilots from his unit into duty in Southeast Asia from 1969 to 1970.

His signup and willingness to participate was confirmed by several of his colleagues and superiors, who remembered
the effort as brash but admirable.​

Amazing what all your article leaves out in service of its agenda, isn't it? You probably believed CBS's "fake but accurate" memos, too, didn't you? :lol:
 
Nah, dude, it's that I don't play that game.

If I wanted to I could go off on conservative hypocrisy but it isn't my style nor is it the topic of this thread.
Uh huh.

Yeah huh.

I don't subscribe to the broadbrush "liberals this" and "conservatives that" way of going about things that I (and I mean no offense here) have observed you do. There are conservatives who may want lower taxes but are fine with a progressive (bracketed) tax system and there are oodles of liberals who you chide for wanting others to pay more than them who themselves pay more than many others, myself included. So what? It's a bad comparison to someone* sitting on the sidelines while pushing people to go kill and be killed when they are capable but unwilling to do so themselves. The "liberals" in your scenario have to actually to take part in the progressive tax system while the chickenhawk sits on the couch and watches the highlights on TV.

*a chickenhawk

So now that that's cleared up, enjoy your retirement!!!

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Thanks! :beer:
 
No he volunteered to defend the skies of Houston, Texas during the Vietnam War.

So he wasn't willing to fight in a war like the one in Vietnam where no american freedoms were being challenged, but he was willing to do everything in his power to start a war in Iraq when no american freedoms were being challenged.

Wrong. He volunteered to go to Vietnam.
Or this confirmation that Bush volunteered for Operation Palace Alert, which would have sent him to Viet Nam in combat had he been accepted:

A former senior Virginia Air National Guard commander, who served with George W. Bush in the Texas Air Guard, says Bush volunteered for Vietnam combat service but was turned down because he did not have the required flight experience. ...

According to Campenni, Bush inquired about participating in a volunteer program called Palace Alert that used Air National Guard pilots flying in the F-102 Delta Dagger interceptor jet in Vietnam.

The Air Guard advised Bush he did not have the desired 500 hours of flight time as a pilot to qualify for Palace Alert duty, and, in any event, the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.​

THAT'S a fuckin' Lie......​

"In his not-so-memorable interview on Meet The Press with Tim Russert on February 8, 2004, Russert stated the facts: ". . . you didn't volunteer or enlist to go [to Vietnam]", to which Bush replied "No, I didn't. You're right."

HERE

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Ya' gotta quit listening to Porky Limbaugh.

He's a GUTLESS-LIAR, as well.​

How Daddy Kept Dumbya's Ass Outta 'NAM!!!

HERE
I just showed your moonbat article to be false. Dumbass. :lol:
 
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"I want you to go potentially die for my political opinion."



If soldiers are out preaching for war with Iran, North Korea etc, so be it. But it's always amazed me how people can go as far as demanding more war when they're completely unwilling to make any sacrifice whatsoever for that cause.


I understand the point you are trying to make. However, based on your 'logical' construct, every president that has ever sent troops to war is an armchair chickenhawk.

Not sure I agree with that.
 
"I want you to go potentially die for my political opinion."



If soldiers are out preaching for war with Iran, North Korea etc, so be it. But it's always amazed me how people can go as far as demanding more war when they're completely unwilling to make any sacrifice whatsoever for that cause.


I understand the point you are trying to make. However, based on your 'logical' construct, every president that has ever sent troops to war is an armchair chickenhawk.

Not sure I agree with that.

I'm wondering which "soldiers" he claims are preaching for war. We're the ones that have to fight them (while Dr Drock sits on his sofa).

He might want to try that one again ...
 
"I want you to go potentially die for my political opinion."



If soldiers are out preaching for war with Iran, North Korea etc, so be it. But it's always amazed me how people can go as far as demanding more war when they're completely unwilling to make any sacrifice whatsoever for that cause.


I understand the point you are trying to make. However, based on your 'logical' construct, every president that has ever sent troops to war is an armchair chickenhawk.

Not sure I agree with that.

I'm wondering which "soldiers" he claims are preaching for war. We're the ones that have to fight them (while Dr Drock sits on his sofa).

He might want to try that one again ...

I think that was supposed to be a hyperbolic hypothetical. You know, a ridiculous stretch that proves nothing.
 
I'm 100% against all those gov't programs you listed, but I view allocation of money and asking people to risk their lives and kill others as different.
Yeah.....let's HEAR IT!!!....for the perks o' killin' people, rather-than helping anyone!

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It's the CHICKENHAWK-thing-to-do!!!

(....As-long-as someone-else is doin' all-the-killin'!)​

No blaspheming the Duke on this board.:eusa_eh:
Sheeit!!!!

He was a loudmouthed-Chickenhawk.​

"While many of his contemporaries, including Henry Fonda, Clark Gable and Ronald Reagan, served in the armed forces during World War II, the lead in such wartime sagas as 1945’s “They Were Expendable,” 1948’s “Fort Apache” and 1968’s “The Green Berets” did not. Wayne was not only missing in action during the 1940s’ liberation of the Philippines and Europe, he wasn’t a cavalry officer, a Vietnam commando or a Leatherneck—flying or otherwise—for he was never in the military.

With much of the competition away in the Pacific and European theaters, Wayne was able to storm movie theaters to solidify his stardom. While Jimmy Stewart and his fellow celebrity servicemen were real action heroes, Wayne was a “Lights! Cameras! Action!” hero who merely played the part in the safety of Tinseltown’s home front and back lot.

Wayne was a vocal conservative, and his critics contend that the onscreen “Injun killer” was racist off-screen.

An outspoken hawk during the Vietnam War, Wayne co-directed and starred in the Pentagon-subsidized propaganda picture “The Green Berets.” Duke denounced antiwar protesters, reportedly saying: “As far as I’m concerned, it wouldn’t bother me a bit to pull the trigger on one of ‘em.”

Wayne was, in reality, a draft dodger. AmericaÂ’s archetypal soldier was in fact a chicken hawk. He was a cheerleader and champion of militaristic patriotism and combat he had never experienced."
 
Out of respect for Gunny I'm going to refrain from disparaging the Duke, except to say that he was a seriously shitty actor. :thup:
 
Wrong. He volunteered to go to Vietnam.
Or this confirmation that Bush volunteered for Operation Palace Alert, which would have sent him to Viet Nam in combat had he been accepted:

A former senior Virginia Air National Guard commander, who served with George W. Bush in the Texas Air Guard, says Bush volunteered for Vietnam combat service but was turned down because he did not have the required flight experience. ...

According to Campenni, Bush inquired about participating in a volunteer program called Palace Alert that used Air National Guard pilots flying in the F-102 Delta Dagger interceptor jet in Vietnam.

The Air Guard advised Bush he did not have the desired 500 hours of flight time as a pilot to qualify for Palace Alert duty, and, in any event, the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.​

THAT'S a fuckin' Lie......



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Ya' gotta quit listening to Porky Limbaugh.

He's a GUTLESS-LIAR, as well.​

How Daddy Kept Dumbya's Ass Outta 'NAM!!!

HERE
I just showed your moonbat articel to be false. Dumbass. :lol:

HE ran......​
 
Out of respect for Gunny I'm going to refrain from disparaging the Duke, except to say that he was a seriously shitty actor. :thup:
"To this day, John Wayne is the prototype of the uber-patriotic, uber-masculine, uber-courageous Moral Republican Warrior. His imagery is the template that pioneered the brand and that the Right uses to this day to build up their political leaders.

In 1995 -- 18 years after his death -- he remained the most admired film actor in America. The Los Angeles Times said that, even years after his death, his image "exmplified the ideal American fighting man." After 9/11 Peggy Noonan wrote a column hailing the return of "the Duke" -- of real men who bellow: "Yer in a whole lotta trouble now, Osama-boy."

Yet John Wayne was one of America's biggest and most repugnant frauds -- in exactly the way that modern Right-wing leaders are. At a time when virtually nobody avoided combat, Wayne did exactly that, using the most dishonorable means imaginable, throughout all of World War II. Because the most successful male actors, including older ones, went to fight, he was able to stay in Hollywood and become extremely rich playing war heroes. He spent the rest of his life glorifying every American war and accusing war opponents of being cowards, Communists and traitors. He crusaded for traditional American morality, attacking others whom he perceived to deviate, while he engaged in compulsive womanizing and adultery, repeatedly breaking up his own family, and wallowing in pill addictions.

Before there was Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, George Bush, Bill Kristol, David Vitter and even John McCain -- there was John Wayne. One finds key parts of Wayne in each of them. To this day, he's the role model for how the Right conducts itself and the methods they use to swindle the American public."

HERE

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John Wayne would have to stand on his Mother's shoulders, to kiss George McGovern's ass!!!!!

"In September 1944, McGovern joined the 741st Squadron of the 455th Bombardment Group of the Fifteenth Air Force, stationed at San Giovanni Airfield nearby Cerignola in the Apulia region of Italy. There he and his crew found a starving, disease-ridden local population wracked by the ill fortunes of war and far worse off than anything they had seen back home during the Depression. Starting on November 11, 1944, McGovern flew 35 missions over enemy territory from there, the first five as co-pilot for an experienced crew and the rest as pilot for his own plane, known as the Dakota Queen after his wife Eleanor. His targets were in Austria, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Hungary, Poland, and northern, German-controlled Italy, and were often either oil refinery complexes or rail marshalling yards, all as part of the U.S. strategic bombing campaign in Europe. The eight- or nine-hour missions were grueling tests of endurance for pilots, and while German fighter aircraft were a diminished threat by then, his missions often faced heavy anti-aircraft artillery fire that filled the sky with flak bursts."

HERE
 
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"I want you to go potentially die for my political opinion."



If soldiers are out preaching for war with Iran, North Korea etc, so be it. But it's always amazed me how people can go as far as demanding more war when they're completely unwilling to make any sacrifice whatsoever for that cause.

What about people who make choices what to do with other's money regarding things like retirement (Social Security), medical care (Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare) and welfare? Does that amaze you too or does it only amaze you when people make choices regarding forcing others to do things you oppose?

I'm 100% against all those gov't programs you listed, but I view allocation of money and asking people to risk their lives and kill others as different.
Well, that's good then on the other programs. I oppose the wars as well, but I don't really get your argument that it should be up to the military who we invade. What if they want to invade those places, would you support it then? I wouldn't. I come from a military family. I'm the only boy in my generation in fact who has no military experience. Including my brother (Naval Academy grad) and cousin (Air Force) were both in Gulf War I. I respect what they do. But their job is to carry out policy, not make it.
 
"I want you to go potentially die for my political opinion."



If soldiers are out preaching for war with Iran, North Korea etc, so be it. But it's always amazed me how people can go as far as demanding more war when they're completely unwilling to make any sacrifice whatsoever for that cause.

That line of logic does not hold water. That is similar to saying a person does not want fires fought unless they are a fireman, or does not want streets cleaned of snow unless they go and become sanitation people and plow it themselves.

The comparison might be valid in the case of a draft, where a person who supports a given war dodges a draft call up. Our millitary is volutary, and is under civillian control.It is the natural order for it to recive direction, and support from those not in uniform.

You can't compare asking for war to any other scenario, it's all apples and oranges.

Asking someone to risk their life on a daily basis isn't even in the same ballpark as asking someone to plow roads.

Do you ask your police to keep you safe?

Would you go arrest an armed drug dealer if they asked you to?

Are you saying firemen and police don't risk their lives on a daily basis?

Its called "public service," "duty," and "honor."

And obviously, you don't understand it one iota.

They fight BECAUSE we ask them to, not because they asked us if they could.
 
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What about people who make choices what to do with other's money regarding things like retirement (Social Security), medical care (Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare) and welfare? Does that amaze you too or does it only amaze you when people make choices regarding forcing others to do things you oppose?

I'm 100% against all those gov't programs you listed, but I view allocation of money and asking people to risk their lives and kill others as different.
Yeah.....let's HEAR IT!!!....for the perks o' killin' people, rather-than helping anyone!

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It's the CHICKENHAWK-thing-to-do!!!

(....As-long-as someone-else is doin' all-the-killin'!)​

I always enjoy sarcastic comments that don't address anyone's position. It always adds so much to the discussion. You get a lot of those from liberals before they decry the hatred coming from the Right.

As for "helping" anyone, you don't really pay attention to how government runs those programs, do you? Government helps people with those programs by fostering dependency, ruining our economy, violating our privacy and eliminating our choice. Yeah, thanks for the "help"...
 
How does one qualify for the insulting title of "armchair chickenhawk"? Would Veterans who already served in the Military ever qualify for the wild eyed title that modern liberals throw around?
 
The Air National Guard has often been ridiculed as a safe place for military duty during the Vietnam War. However, pilots from the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, as it was called at the time, were actually conducting combat missions in Vietnam when Bush enlisted.

F-102 pilots endured further risk while serving under combat conditions in Vietnam. Some of these were Air National Guard pilots from the 147th FIG, where Bush was stationed.


Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - F-102 in Vietnam



Just because some people still want to deny the truth.......
 
"I want you to go potentially die for my political opinion."



If soldiers are out preaching for war with Iran, North Korea etc, so be it. But it's always amazed me how people can go as far as demanding more war when they're completely unwilling to make any sacrifice whatsoever for that cause.

That line of logic does not hold water. That is similar to saying a person does not want fires fought unless they are a fireman, or does not want streets cleaned of snow unless they go and become sanitation people and plow it themselves.

The comparison might be valid in the case of a draft, where a person who supports a given war dodges a draft call up. Our millitary is volutary, and is under civillian control.It is the natural order for it to recive direction, and support from those not in uniform.

Sorry, dude, but if you are able bodied and call for war you damn well better be prepared to fight in it.
Damn right.
 

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