Is There Any Empathy Left In The Gaza Conflict? by

[proudveteran06]

Best thing to do about Hamas is to make them irrelevant by giving Palestinian people the rights, the land and the dignity that they deserve.

"Deserve" being the key word...
They deserve nothing.

They deserve the same basic rights as the Israeli's do and that includes a state.

One " small problem", They don't believe the Israelis should have their own State;


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-recognize-israel-top-official-says-1.361072
Hamas would be willing to accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders, a leader of the militant group, Mahmoud Zahar, told the Palestinian news agency Ma'an on Wednesday, adding, however, that Hamas would never recognize Israel since such a move would counter the group's aim to "liberate" all of Palestine.

Zahar's comments come amid Palestinian efforts to form a unity government that would include former rivals Fatah and Hamas, following a reconciliation agreement the two factions signed last week in Cairo.

Speaking to Ma'an on Wednesday, Zahar, hinting at the possible political line of a future Palestinian unity cabinet, said that recognizing Israel would "preclude the right of the next generations to liberate the lands," wondering: "What will be the fate of the five million Palestinians in the diaspora?"

The Gaza strongman went on to tell Ma'an that Hamas would be willing to recognize a Palestinian state "on any part of Palestine," as opposed to the group's proclaimed aim to form a state "from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea."

Zahar also referred to the future of Hamas' military truce with Israel, confirming that the movement would continue to honor the cessation of fighting, following a joint decision made with its new Fatah partners. The Hamas leader, however, reiterated that the truce was "part of the resistance not its rejection," adding that a "truce is not peace."


Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine


While the Arab Peace Initiative continues to be cited by Israel’s critics as proof that the Jewish state really does have partners, this idea has always been more about polishing the image of the Arab world in the United States than anything else. Conceived in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when the Arab states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, were viewed with disgust by most Americans, the initiative was part of an effort to rehabilitate their image. But despite the fact that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (who claimed it stemmed from a conversation he had with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah) and others in the foreign policy community promoted the idea, it fizzled. Why? Because it was not an invitation to negotiate, but a diktat. Even worse, it contained a vital poison pill: the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel that would, in effect, mean the end of the Jewish state, not peace with it.


While the initiative does not specifically mention the so-called “right of return” by which the descendants of the Arab refugees of 1948 would be allowed to enter Israel, Prince Abdullah made this clear when he said this on the day the Arab League adopted the proposal:

I propose that the Arab summit put forward a clear and unanimous initiative addressed to the United Nations security council based on two basic issues: normal relations and security for Israel in exchange for full withdrawal from all occupied Arab territories, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, and the return of refugees.

It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.

 

[Coyote]

What Hamas believes does not alter what just and right for the Palestinians as a people. Many Israeli's don't believe the Palestinians should have their own state either.

 

[teddyearp]

One thought to think of. I suspect that empathy in this conflict doesn't sell many papers, nor garner many TV ratings, nor even a whole lot of web page hits . . . . .

no...you need more blood, bombs, rockets and blown up bodily remains for that

Hence we don't really know how much empathy (and tolerance between the different peoples) there is in the country unless we have been or ever go there.

 

[Bloodrock44]

Best thing to do about Hamas is to make them irrelevant by giving Palestinian people the rights, the land and the dignity that they deserve.

"Deserve" being the key word...
They deserve nothing.

They deserve the same basic rights as the Israeli's do and that includes a state.

if my memory serves me correctly, in 1948 the UN carved out 2 states. One Jewish, one Arab. Israel accepted and the Arabs rejected and 5 of their armies invaded Israel the next day. What's that saying? Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity?

 

[Indeependent]

So much has been lost in just one generation it would seem. Can it be mended? It's not just one side to blame, but a string of bad policies. The entire article is worth reading.


Is There Any Empathy Left In The Gaza Conflict? : NPR

The facts of the matter, historical or pragmatically, means the world will all eventually realize the Palestinians have no basis for their intransigence except Islamic.

And that is unacceptable.

People no longer are allowing themselves to be emotionally manipulated by the Palestinians.

The Palestinians and their supporters should prepare themselves for becoming despised and the objects of derision worldwide.

That is what their racist anti-Semitism deserves.

it's an issue of occupation and not having a state or homeland of their own. That is a valid basis.

TODAY it's an issue of occupation.
TOMORROW it's the same murderous bullshit Muslims worldwide are engaged in.
Stop being naive.

 

[proudveteran06]

The facts of the matter, historical or pragmatically, means the world will all eventually realize the Palestinians have no basis for their intransigence except Islamic.

And that is unacceptable.

People no longer are allowing themselves to be emotionally manipulated by the Palestinians.

The Palestinians and their supporters should prepare themselves for becoming despised and the objects of derision worldwide.

That is what their racist anti-Semitism deserves.

it's an issue of occupation and not having a state or homeland of their own. That is a valid basis.

TODAY it's an issue of occupation.
TOMORROW it's the same murderous bullshit Muslims worldwide are engaged in.
Stop being naive.

The Arabs should have thought of " occupation" before 1967!!

 

[Indeependent]

it's an issue of occupation and not having a state or homeland of their own. That is a valid basis.

TODAY it's an issue of occupation.
TOMORROW it's the same murderous bullshit Muslims worldwide are engaged in.
Stop being naive.

The Arabs should have thought of " occupation" before 1967!!

Arabs "think"?

 

[guno]

Best thing to do about Hamas is to make them irrelevant by giving Palestinian people the rights, the land and the dignity that they deserve.

Still spoiled petulant brat, those palistanians. All "gimme! gimme!! gimme!!!" and tantrums, and tantrums. How about getting a life and a job, and earning all that they want? That's, like, a responsible adult behavior of a group of people, claiming to be a "nation". But, no, they're having a kewl occupation - "gimme!" and tantrums.

Strange how NON JEWS (primarily self proclaimed rightwing christians on this board) are the biggest cheer leaders for hate and violence, wasn't long ago as I remember that Us Jews were on the receiving end of their vitriol . A lot of it has to do with their end times fantasies, they have NO compassion , real nasty people

 

[Mojo2]

So much has been lost in just one generation it would seem. Can it be mended? It's not just one side to blame, but a string of bad policies. The entire article is worth reading.


Is There Any Empathy Left In The Gaza Conflict? : NPR

The facts of the matter, historical or pragmatically, means the world will all eventually realize the Palestinians have no basis for their intransigence except Islamic.

And that is unacceptable.

People no longer are allowing themselves to be emotionally manipulated by the Palestinians.

The Palestinians and their supporters should prepare themselves for becoming despised and the objects of derision worldwide.

That is what their racist anti-Semitism deserves.

They have the same right to a just solution as the Jews. You make it about Islam, but that is not the basis for their opposition - it's an issue of occupation and not having a state or homeland of their own. That is a valid basis.

You are hopeless romantic or a Jihadist.

Or both.

There will be no negotiated peace.

No 2 state solution.

Nor a 3 or a 4 state solution!

Hamas doesn't want it.

Read their Charter.

There will never be a negotiated peace.

Never.

Changing tacks, here is The MOST Important Video About Israel You'll Ever See!

 

[Mojo2]

"Deserve" being the key word...
They deserve nothing.

They deserve the same basic rights as the Israeli's do and that includes a state.

One " small problem", They don't believe the Israelis should have their own State;

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-recognize-israel-top-official-says-1.361072

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Hamas would be willing to accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders, a leader of the militant group, Mahmoud Zahar, told the Palestinian news agency Ma'an on Wednesday, adding, however, that Hamas would never recognize Israel since such a move would counter the group's aim to "liberate" all of Palestine.

Zahar's comments come amid Palestinian efforts to form a unity government that would include former rivals Fatah and Hamas, following a reconciliation agreement the two factions signed last week in Cairo.

Speaking to Ma'an on Wednesday, Zahar, hinting at the possible political line of a future Palestinian unity cabinet, said that recognizing Israel would "preclude the right of the next generations to liberate the lands," wondering: "What will be the fate of the five million Palestinians in the diaspora?"

The Gaza strongman went on to tell Ma'an that Hamas would be willing to recognize a Palestinian state "on any part of Palestine," as opposed to the group's proclaimed aim to form a state "from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea."

Zahar also referred to the future of Hamas' military truce with Israel, confirming that the movement would continue to honor the cessation of fighting, following a joint decision made with its new Fatah partners. The Hamas leader, however, reiterated that the truce was "part of the resistance not its rejection," adding that a "truce is not peace."


Is the Arab Peace Plan Really About Peace? « Commentary Magazine


While the Arab Peace Initiative continues to be cited by Israel’s critics as proof that the Jewish state really does have partners, this idea has always been more about polishing the image of the Arab world in the United States than anything else. Conceived in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks when the Arab states, and in particular Saudi Arabia, were viewed with disgust by most Americans, the initiative was part of an effort to rehabilitate their image. But despite the fact that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (who claimed it stemmed from a conversation he had with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah) and others in the foreign policy community promoted the idea, it fizzled. Why? Because it was not an invitation to negotiate, but a diktat. Even worse, it contained a vital poison pill: the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel that would, in effect, mean the end of the Jewish state, not peace with it.


While the initiative does not specifically mention the so-called “right of return” by which the descendants of the Arab refugees of 1948 would be allowed to enter Israel, Prince Abdullah made this clear when he said this on the day the Arab League adopted the proposal:

I propose that the Arab summit put forward a clear and unanimous initiative addressed to the United Nations security council based on two basic issues: normal relations and security for Israel in exchange for full withdrawal from all occupied Arab territories, recognition of an independent Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, and the return of refugees.

It should be conceded that this is better than the famous “three no’s” enforced throughout the Arab world in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, when Muslim countries said they would not make peace, recognize or negotiate with Israel. But the effect is not all that different. The Arab League proposal envisions normal relations with an Israel that has been forced to retreat from all territories it won in a defensive war in 1967. But the Israel they want to make peace with is one that would be forced to accept millions of Arabs who would change it from a Jewish nation into yet another Arab one.

With this phrase might be the wiggle room the Hamas leadership needs in order to escape this situation without being forced to negotiate PEACE.

Zahar also referred to the future of Hamas' military truce with Israel, confirming that the movement would continue to honor the cessation of fighting, following a joint decision made with its new Fatah partners. The Hamas leader, however, reiterated that the truce was "part of the resistance not its rejection," adding that a "truce is not peace."

This way, by calling it a "truce," they'll be able to avoid negotiating PEACE, which might get them assassinated by the MORE extremists of the extreme group who take the Hamas Charter seriously when it says 'no negotiated peace!'

 

[aris2chat]

empathy for the palestinian citizens does not mean Israel should cut their own throats by letting hamas regroup and rearm.

it is to the advantage of the gazans if this does not have to be repeated in six months or a year from now because the attacks by hamas against Israel continue

 

[Rehmani]

I will advise to jews in israel to end the conflict with Palestinian because they are the one who were your savior. 900 years ago when jews kiked out from there home and were not allowed to enter in Jureslam. Salahuddin Ayubi (Salatin) was the one, when he took over Palestine, not only he pardon all christian but also he was the one who open the door of Jureslam for Jews.
look what you are doing with those people who look after you and accommodate you 900 years ago, that is how you celebrate the thanks giving day to kill those people and pushed them out from their own home who gave room to live to you in their home.

If this is the case then I have daout that any one will trust you in future because Muslim are the last friends you have and you are losing by knocking down their home killing them brutally with out thinking that you are killing mostly women and children like some one psycho or mental by fear of death, Israeli's psycho action with paranoid if you don't believe me you can ask from some expert.

And any way jews can not compare them selves with the Palestinian in numbers of population, and time they spend in Jureslam for more then 3000 years, and sacrifices Palestinian offered to this holy land over the centuries and they go to Mosque in thousand and worship of God like no one does in the world, not jews any way. The way Muslim recites about all Prophet from Ibrahim PBUH to Isac pbuh, Jacob pbuh, Joseph pbuh, Moses pbuh and all prophets from Zabur and Taurat, jewsh even can not compare not even a little partical in salt rather than salt in a flour.

After all this comparison, sound to me, Muslim never have problem in the past with jews any way then why they are causing problem to Muslim while jews are living around the world haply, then why they are digging new problem for them selves and they don't have problem under Muslim rule to pilgrimage to Jureslam to worship their wall anyway. And before 1940 Jews were living with Muslim haply next door to door under muslim rule for 900 years.

Please think again and again before contradict or otherwise reply positively thanks.

 

[Billo_Really]

I agree..yet....something has to be done about Hamas, that doesn't involve punishing the Gazans as a whole - Hamas is no good to Gaza, but the war just makes them hate Israel more and Hamas uses that to their advantage.

The policies of seperation need to be looked at, as well as what kids are taught in schools about the other side.

This isn't going to end when people are still willing to believe Israeli bullshit about Hamas. It's not something has to be done about Hamas , it's Israel. The blockade and occupation must end. That's the first step. Because that is the cause of all the violence.

Let's not forget Hamas was becoming more of a political movement, than a jihadist one with their unity government. Instead of encouraging this non-violent method, Israel makes up lies to attack Gaza and make Hamas out to be the big boogey man.

Yes, Hamas has skeletons in their closet, but they are definitely not the problem.

 

[Lipush]

No, they are perfectly fine.

It's the Joooooooooooooooooooooos' fault.

Always was.

We're still waiting for passover, it's our favorite passtime. Christian blood is especially tasty at this time of year.

That is what Hamas says we believe, anyway. And since you praise every bullshit they say...

 

[Rikurzhen]

So much has been lost in just one generation it would seem. Can it be mended? It's not just one side to blame, but a string of bad policies. The entire article is worth reading.


Is There Any Empathy Left In The Gaza Conflict? : NPR

The violent intensity of the month-old war between Israel and Hamas raises the question of whether Israelis and Palestinians have any empathy for each other.

A generation ago, they used to routinely rub shoulders. Just how tense things are between Israeli Jews and their Arab neighbors is something my colleague Daniel Estrin recently witnessed at Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem.
In the waiting room, he found two Israeli women shouting at a Palestinian mother whose son was being treated for a beating he received from a Jewish mob. An Israeli tank drives past a field of sunflowers along the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip as they pull out from the Gaza Strip Sunday. At least 10 people died in a strike outside a U.N. school in Gaza shortly after Israel confirmed it was withdrawing some troops from the war-torn area.

"Go away you trash," one yelled. "I would bury you in Gaza."

Two other Israeli women tried to comfort the Palestinian mother. But she was in no mood for reconciliation, and retorts: "What good will your apologies do?"

Such lack of empathy is widespread in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza these days, even in the few communities where Jews and Arabs mix, like Jerusalem.

Matters are out of control there because they're saying all the wrong things. They need American propagandists to come over and teach them to chant that "Diversity is our strength" and then everything will magically improve.

 

[Rikurzhen]

So much has been lost in just one generation it would seem. Can it be mended? It's not just one side to blame, but a string of bad policies. The entire article is worth reading.


Is There Any Empathy Left In The Gaza Conflict? : NPR

The violent intensity of the month-old war between Israel and Hamas raises the question of whether Israelis and Palestinians have any empathy for each other.

A generation ago, they used to routinely rub shoulders. Just how tense things are between Israeli Jews and their Arab neighbors is something my colleague Daniel Estrin recently witnessed at Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem.
In the waiting room, he found two Israeli women shouting at a Palestinian mother whose son was being treated for a beating he received from a Jewish mob. An Israeli tank drives past a field of sunflowers along the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip as they pull out from the Gaza Strip Sunday. At least 10 people died in a strike outside a U.N. school in Gaza shortly after Israel confirmed it was withdrawing some troops from the war-torn area.

"Go away you trash," one yelled. "I would bury you in Gaza."

Two other Israeli women tried to comfort the Palestinian mother. But she was in no mood for reconciliation, and retorts: "What good will your apologies do?"

Such lack of empathy is widespread in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza these days, even in the few communities where Jews and Arabs mix, like Jerusalem.

I think the war needs to end already. Here in America, they don't show the funerals of Israeli soldiers, but my relatives say that it's shown all the time there, and the whole nation is crying. I, for one, am heartsick at seeing Gazan children, injured and crying. All of the tunnels have been destroyed. Unless Israel's objective is to take out Hamas completely, then this war has to end.

When someone attacks you physically you don't stop the fight in order to allow your attacker to catch his breath and put his hand in a bucket of ice so that he's in better shape to relaunch the attack in one hour.

When you're in a fight or a war, the objective is to win, where winning means that the attacker doesn't attack you again.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I agree..yet....something has to be done about Hamas, that doesn't involve punishing the Gazans as a whole - Hamas is no good to Gaza, but the war just makes them hate Israel more and Hamas uses that to their advantage.

How damn paternalistic is this? Why shouldn't the people be held accountable for their political decisions? The Washington Post:

The radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament, according to official election results announced Thursday, trouncing the governing Fatah party in a contest that could dramatically reshape the Palestinians' relations with Israel and the rest of the world.​

The policies of seperation need to be looked at, as well as what kids are taught in schools about the other side.

Separation from whom? The Israeli's? There's no way that there is any upside for Israelis to integrate with Gaza. As for what the kids are taught in schools in Gaza, um, people have been denouncing what happens there for decades but Gazans like it as it is.

 

[Rikurzhen]

It would aid people who invoke international law rationales to watch this lecture on the international law aspects of Israel's existence. It's a 45 minute legal lecture. Learn something.

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[Politico]

So much has been lost in just one generation it would seem. Can it be mended? It's not just one side to blame, but a string of bad policies. The entire article is worth reading.


Is There Any Empathy Left In The Gaza Conflict? : NPR

I think the war needs to end already. Here in America, they don't show the funerals of Israeli soldiers, but my relatives say that it's shown all the time there, and the whole nation is crying. I, for one, am heartsick at seeing Gazan children, injured and crying. All of the tunnels have been destroyed. Unless Israel's objective is to take out Hamas completely, then this war has to end.

This war will end once the rockets will.

That's the whole picture many of you miss.

No-one likes to see civilians dying anywhere, not in Gaza and not in Israel.

But this war started because of the situation we're living in for 14 years. If the situation is not solved when we withdraw, then all of those deaths and tears would have been for nothing.

Israel cannot buy "peace" for 4 millions by sacrificing the lives of 1.5 million, just because they live in an area that "doesn't count enough".

And the blood of southern Israelis is no less important than the blood of the people of Tel Aviv. The rocket problem must be solved, or else this situation wouldn't end.

The war will not end. It has been going on for 2000 years.

 

[I.P.Freely]

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