Is there a Reasonable Objection to Increasing the Physical Security in Schools?

[Seymour Flops]

I'm at a loss to know why we have not done this nationwide.

That person with a mental disorder got into a school to kill children by shooting out a glass side door and walking in. If she had shot out the side door of a courthouse and killed three judges, I can assure you states would be screaming for federal funding for either bulletproof glass, bars on doors and windows, or most likely both. Plus metal detectors, security screenings, and armed police trained to deal with active shooters. Same if they had shot up a government-funded Arts Center hosting a ballet, or a library, or a tax office.

Why are our children less precious?

Would some people be calling to crack down on gun ownership? Of course. Would people be sussing out the political motives in order to tar the other side with the crime of the killer? Absolutely? But - knowing that they aren't ever going to regulate guns out of existance, nor shame their political foes out of existance - they would demand barriers to stop future shootings.

What is it about schoolchildren that some of us don't mind leaving them just as vulnerable as ever, no matter how many Columbines we've had in the nearly 24 years since the original Columbine?

Hoping to get responses especially from those who think hardening the security at schools isn't the way to go.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

I'm curioius as to what happened to school security from the 90's?!?

Armed guards at doors, metal scanners, Xrays, drug sniffing dogs, etc....

What happened?

 

[Unkotare]

I'm curioius as to what happened to school security from the 90's?!?

Armed guards at doors, metal scanners, Xrays, drug sniffing dogs, etc....

What happened?

You don't want to know, but you can probably guess.

 

[Polishprince]

I think all of that's a good idea. Metal detectors at the very least, and body cavity searches for the higher security students.

To enter a federal office building or a USP , everyone has to go through security.

Why shouldn't America value the lives of its government school students the same as we do our bureaucrats and child molesters?

Don't the children deserve the same protection we offer to those who would molest them?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think all of that's a good idea. Metal detectors at the very least, and body cavity searches for the higher security students.

To enter a federal office building or a USP , everyone has to go through security.

Why shouldn't America value the lives of its government school students the same as we do our bureaucrats and child molesters?

Don't the children deserve the same protection we offer to those who would molest them?

You must enjoy those body cavity searches, dumbass!

USP? I assume you meant post offices. There is no security in any post office I have ever been to!

 

[Polishprince]

You must enjoy those body cavity searches, dumbass!

USP? I assume you meant post offices. There is no security in any post office I have ever been to!

USP stands for "United States Penitentiary" Not the post office

 

[Unkotare]

You must enjoy those body cavity searches, dumbass!

USP? I assume you meant post offices. There is no security in any post office I have ever been to!

Quite some time ago, postal workers were armed. With a rise in violence against mail carriers, we may need to go back to that.

 

[Unkotare]

Y'all should know, I when I worked at a very tough school in a very tough part of a very tough town (even more so than where I work now - by a little) and all students had to pass through a metal detector to get into the school in the morning and there were four armed, uniformed police permanently on campus at all times (along with 7 additional security personnel) students still got guns, knives and drugs into the school all the time.

 

[Polishprince]

Y'all should know, I when I worked at a very tough school in a very tough part of a very tough town (even more so than where I work now - by a little) and all students had to pass through a metal detector to get into the school in the morning and there were four armed, uniformed police permanently on campus at all times (along with 7 additional security personnel) students still got guns, knives and drugs into the school all the time.

Unless you have the students "squat and cough" , a lot of them will simply keister their weapons and drugs into the school.

 

[Unkotare]

Unless you have the students "squat and cough" , a lot of them will simply keister their weapons and drugs into the school.

It was easier, and likely less painful, for them than that.

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm at a loss to know why we have not done this nationwide.

That person with a mental disorder got into a school to kill children by shooting out a glass side door and walking in. If she had shot out the side door of a courthouse and killed three judges, I can assure you states would be screaming for federal funding for either bulletproof glass, bars on doors and windows, or most likely both. Plus metal detectors, security screenings, and armed police trained to deal with active shooters. Same if they had shot up a government-funded Arts Center hosting a ballet, or a library, or a tax office.

Why are our children less precious?

Would some people be calling to crack down on gun ownership? Of course. Would people be sussing out the political motives in order to tar the other side with the crime of the killer? Absolutely? But - knowing that they aren't ever going to regulate guns out of existance, nor shame their political foes out of existance - they would demand barriers to stop future shootings.

What is it about schoolchildren that some of us don't mind leaving them just as vulnerable as ever, no matter how many Columbines we've had in the nearly 24 years since the original Columbine?

Hoping to get responses especially from those who think hardening the security at schools isn't the way to go.

There's a very fine balancing act tbh. It's possible to not want schools to not want excessive security NOT because you don't care about the safety of children, but because that environment itself is damaging. As terrible as these events are--and they are horrid--they are still exceedingly rare. To make every school coast to coast into essentially a prison is excessive.

 

[Polishprince]

There's a very fine balancing act tbh. It's possible to not want schools to not want excessive security NOT because you don't care about the safety of children, but because that environment itself is damaging. As terrible as these events are--and they are horrid--they are still exceedingly rare. To make every school coast to coast into essentially a prison is excessive.

High degrees of security get the kids ready for life as an adult.

They might have to fly, or go into a government office building or have to do time in the penitentiary after they graduate. This will help get them get ready for reality of life as an adult.

 

[Circe]

High degrees of security get the kids ready for life as an adult.

They might have to fly, or go into a government office building or have to do time in the penitentiary after they graduate. This will help get them get ready for reality of life as an adult.

Boy, I'll say. So raising children in an armed prison camp the first 20 years of their lives is somehow a GOOD idea these days, huh.

 

[SweetSue92]

High degrees of security get the kids ready for life as an adult.

They might have to fly, or go into a government office building or have to do time in the penitentiary after they graduate. This will help get them get ready for reality of life as an adult.

This is ridiculous.

By that argument, you might as well expose 7 year olds to pornographic literature. They're gonna have to learn about sex SOMETIME.

 

[Blues Man]

There are many effective and unobtrusive security measures that can be taken.

The most obvious is replacing all entry and exit doors with robust steel doors with a multiple point locking system AND KEPPING THEM LOCKED
Others include better control of who is allowed to enter the school, security cameras, bullet resistant laminates on all exterior glass

 

[SweetSue92]

Boy, I'll say. So raising children in an armed prison camp the first 20 years of their lives is somehow a GOOD idea these days, huh.

Too many people don't give a crap about kids these days. My own people--conservatives--make this plain when they will sacrifice the well-being of children, essentially wanting prison camps for them, for fear that any gun restrictions be put in place.

THAT is what this is really about. And I'm not even for restricting gun rights either. But this is ridiculous.

 

[Polishprince]

Too many people don't give a crap about kids these days. My own people--conservatives--make this plain when they will sacrifice the well-being of children, essentially wanting prison camps for them, for fear that any gun restrictions be put in place.

THAT is what this is really about. And I'm not even for restricting gun rights either. But this is ridiculous.

Regimentation isn't bad for kids at all- we certainly had it when I was in school. The nuns and priests and brothers ran a tight ship. Keeping the kids in line helps the staff recognize when something is out of kilter and wrong.

 

[SweetSue92]

Regimentation isn't bad for kids at all- we certainly had it when I was in school. The nuns and priests and brothers ran a tight ship. Keeping the kids in line helps the staff recognize when something is out of kilter and wrong.

Always. My fellow conservative, always, the same old story:

1. "I hated school when I was a kid" and also

2. "School should be just like it was when I was a kid"

 

[braalian]

Taxpayers aren’t willing to pay for it, that’s why.

 

[Polishprince]

Always. My fellow conservative, always, the same old story:

1. "I hated school when I was a kid" and also

2. "School should be just like it was when I was a kid"

I loved school when I was a kid. I didn't like getting whacked in the butt or smacked on the knuckles, but the structure is what students need to have to thrive at a young age.

I'd rather have my head banged into a chalkboard by a teacher than to have a fellow student pull a shiv on me in the boys room or cafeteria, like they had in public school.