Is The Republican Party Gone (w/ Charlie Sykes)

[Rye Catcher]

Not quite sure what the Trumpsters are so defensive about here.

You'd think they were PLEASED that the party was in ashes. Isn't this what they wanted when they voted for Trump?

Republicans are more focused than ever before. We know exactly what we need to do to save America. Build the wall, deport non-Americans, immigration reform to return to the days when Europeans came to America, and a flat tax.

This ^^^ is a hysterically funny post.

 

[odanny]

It surely isn't what it was. It's been overtaken, for now at least, by people who don't worry about promoting "conservative values" or "limited government". They're thrown their lot behind a vulgar, flamboyant, un-conservative, authoritarian, nationalist strongman who is essentially his own party.

All due to evangelical "christians". If you are like me, you remember that Republicans in Congress used to be intellectuals, and that all started to change in 1980 with the election of Ronald Reagan, who decided to attach the party to evangelical's, and the Moral Majority bullshit was the beginning of the end of intellectuals in the party.

Now it is the catch basin of the easily fooled, the poorly educated, the white nationalists and the so-called Christian wingnuts, those who vote based on "faith", not facts.

Right now the party is more lost than ever in its history, with the most strident and extreme voices leading the party behind its most extremist President in U.S. history.

 

[Mac1958]

Not quite sure what the Trumpsters are so defensive about here.

You'd think they were PLEASED that the party was in ashes. Isn't this what they wanted when they voted for Trump?

Republicans are more focused than ever before. We know exactly what we need to do to save America. Build the wall, deport non-Americans, immigration reform to return to the days when Europeans came to America, and a flat tax.

This ^^^ is a hysterically funny post.

Yeah, they're gonna save us.

 

[Mac1958]

It surely isn't what it was. It's been overtaken, for now at least, by people who don't worry about promoting "conservative values" or "limited government". They're thrown their lot behind a vulgar, flamboyant, un-conservative, authoritarian, nationalist strongman who is essentially his own party.

All due to evangelical "christians". If you are like me, you remember that Republicans in Congress used to be intellectuals, and that all started to change in 1980 with the election of Ronald Reagan, who decided to attach the party to evangelical's, and the Moral Majority bullshit was the beginning of the end of intellectuals in the party.

Now it is the catch basin of the easily fooled, the poorly educated, the white nationalists and the so-called Christian wingnuts, those who vote based on "faith", not facts.

Right now the party is more lost than ever in its history, with the most strident and extreme voices leading the party behind its most extremist President in U.S. history.

To me, it's when they took Reagan's "government is the problem" as gospel that things began going south.

The old GOP knew you could care about the individual AND the group, that it doesn't have to be a simplistic zero-sum game, but such a notion was too complicated for some.

 

[BluesLegend]

You obviously don't remember or weren't alive in the 50s. The Rivers and the Oceans were downright nasty from all the industrial and other pollution being dumped into them.

You can head on down to your local Dem city river or ocean today and see the poo and urine infested waters, the fish floating belly up, and the NO SWIMMING signs due to yet another Dem spill.

 

[Rye Catcher]

I suppose the Republican Party is in its nadir:

Republican Party Platform of 1956 | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Followed by this:

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL%5B1%5D-ben_1468872234.pdf

and followed by Trumpism.

 

[rightwinger]

The same right-wing authoritarian fringe group has hijacked both the terms "Republican" and "Christian" and twisted them to represent its sick and dangerous ideology. They have killed the republican party as a legitimate party. They can't kill off the Christian faith so easily because there are millions of decent Christians in the U.S.

True.

And this happened long before Trump.

Trump is merely a symptom of the malignancy that is the GOP and conservatism.

And that sickness will remain after Trump is gone, we should all hope come January 20th, 2021.

The STINK of Trump will remain long after he is gone. Those who protected him, excused his excesses and looked the other way, will have no place to hide

Perhaps.

But don’t underestimate the duplicity of Republicans – all of whom will claim they were ‘against’ Trump once Trump is gone.

Indeed, for many Republicans, their issue is with the messenger, not the message.

Even after Trump, Republicans will still attempt to advance the same failed, wrongheaded agenda: their anti-immigrant nativism, their reckless, irresponsible deregulation, their propensity for foreign military intervention, their efforts to suppress voting rights, their desire to violate privacy rights, and their unwarranted hostility toward gay and transgender Americans, to name but a few.

The authoritarian right will continue to fear positive, beneficial change, it will continue to compel conformity, silence dissent, and increase the power of the state at the expense of individual liberty.

The right will swear by their views.
Those who insist on repeating the past will have to deal with an electorate that has soured on their views.

 

[rightwinger]

You obviously don't remember or weren't alive in the 50s. The Rivers and the Oceans were downright nasty from all the industrial and other pollution being dumped into them.

You can head on down to your local Dem city river or ocean today and see the poo and urine infested waters, the fish floating belly up, and the NO SWIMMING signs due to yet another Dem spill.

Name some.

 

[DustyInfinity]

You know the left is plumb out of ideas when they start quoting Marxist rants on FSTV. Notice that there is still an ongoing chronic lack of interest in their own candidate?

Maybe you ought to try to be in touch with reality? You can't unless you tune out Hannity, Limbaugh, Trump and his Press Secretary, and other talking heads on Fox Faux News.

You guys are so sure everyone else is out of touch. Your media didn't bat any eye when Government Officials called the Chop Zone a Summer Of Love. Nadler denies any problems in Portland. Given your media's recent track record, I'm fairly certain right leaning media more closely resembles reality. Mika Brezinski no longer gets to say what is real.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The same right-wing authoritarian fringe group has hijacked both the terms "Republican" and "Christian" and twisted them to represent its sick and dangerous ideology. They have killed the republican party as a legitimate party. They can't kill off the Christian faith so easily because there are millions of decent Christians in the U.S.

True.

And this happened long before Trump.

Trump is merely a symptom of the malignancy that is the GOP and conservatism.

And that sickness will remain after Trump is gone, we should all hope come January 20th, 2021.

The STINK of Trump will remain long after he is gone. Those who protected him, excused his excesses and looked the other way, will have no place to hide

Perhaps.

But don’t underestimate the duplicity of Republicans – all of whom will claim they were ‘against’ Trump once Trump is gone.

Indeed, for many Republicans, their issue is with the messenger, not the message.

Even after Trump, Republicans will still attempt to advance the same failed, wrongheaded agenda: their anti-immigrant nativism, their reckless, irresponsible deregulation, their propensity for foreign military intervention, their efforts to suppress voting rights, their desire to violate privacy rights, and their unwarranted hostility toward gay and transgender Americans, to name but a few.

The authoritarian right will continue to fear positive, beneficial change, it will continue to compel conformity, silence dissent, and increase the power of the state at the expense of individual liberty.

The right will swear by their views.
Those who insist on repeating the past will have to deal with an electorate that has soured on their views.

Which will take 20 to 30 years to happen.

In the meantime, there’s plenty of fear, ignorance, bigotry, racism, and hate to go around – to keep Republicans in power until the bitter end.

Expect a scorched earth policy; the reprehensible right will go kicking and screaming into political oblivion.

 

[odanny]

^^^^ Tragically, that is on point.

 

[Rye Catcher]

The desperate Communist Democrat bullshit keeps going on and on. I can't wait to see how they react when President Trump is reelected and the GOP controls Congress ending their Impeachment bullshit for good!

Commie, Commie, Commie

Rinse/Repeat

Conservatives have advanced so little from the 1950s

They've devolved into faux conservatives. Read the 1956 Republican Platform and all will see how anti conservative Trumpism is; IKE led the troops to defeat the Nazis, we all know how different by Trump's comment after the Charlottesville Riot, to wit:

"you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

 

[Rye Catcher]

You obviously don't remember or weren't alive in the 50s. The Rivers and the Oceans were downright nasty from all the industrial and other pollution being dumped into them.

You can head on down to your local Dem city river or ocean today and see the poo and urine infested waters, the fish floating belly up, and the NO SWIMMING signs due to yet another Dem spill.

So sorry bozo, there are no warning signs on the SF Bay or on our Ocean Beach. The only warning signs are to keep swimmers aware of the sometimes strong undertow / rip tide, and to reduce the amount of eating Striped Bass and bottom feeders do to Mercury content. No fish are floating belly up at any of the waters around the SF Peninsula; these he waters have been clean since the late 1950's.

 

[dblack]

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You make the GOP in 2014 sound pretty good. Unfortunately, Trump was elected in 2016 - how things change.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I think that the political global situation "after" the elections will be very different that "now" .
A lot of questions are asked, and firstly the question (for both parties) of the great voters .
But an other question will be posed : the responsability of each party in term of choice of a candidate.
The actual situation is not a surprise ,it's the direct and logic consequence of the choice of a so atipical personality .
The problems were not "previsible" but "sure", and thus the choice of that man has no other reason that to have the power without take care of the consequences ... Thus for me an explosion of the republican party is "possible" .

There is nothing at this time we can do to fix the Democratic Party. It's broken as well. But with the Republican party being even more shattered, there is no incentive to fix the Democratic Party. We need to have a decent opposition party to go against the Democratic Party and send them a message. If we go back to the 1956 plank like some of us want to, the Dems will go into a tailspin they have never experienced before.

Or not – given the fact that the 1956 GOP platform is what Democrats advocate for today.

That Democrats will soon nominate the likes of Biden is proof of that – Democrats have been successful in keeping the looney fringe elements out of the driver’s seat, something the GOP has failed to do.

Huh?


The Loony Fringe is fully in command of the Democrat Party under the tutelage of Sleepy Joe and Kamala.

Have you read the New Green Deal that they endorse? Or the platform of BLM who they also endorse? Or Biden's embrace of Gay Marriage, abortion, socialized medicine, etc? The Democrat Party has gone full Leftard.

Actually, I am fully aware of Bidens views and they are more mainstream. You can paint your insanity any way you want to. I am also aware of what the New Green Deal is and it's just an extension of what we have been doing for the last 100 years to clean up the mess that the unchecked Capitalism has caused and we have a long way to go and not a lot of time.

I am also aware of the fringe groups inside the Dem Party who really don't get to run things but scare the living crap out of you. They are just the other side of the fruitcakes and criminals that infest and control the GOP right now. Time to end both fringe groups and let the adults run things once again. Now, eat your baby food and get back to your nappy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I think that the political global situation "after" the elections will be very different that "now" .
A lot of questions are asked, and firstly the question (for both parties) of the great voters .
But an other question will be posed : the responsability of each party in term of choice of a candidate.
The actual situation is not a surprise ,it's the direct and logic consequence of the choice of a so atipical personality .
The problems were not "previsible" but "sure", and thus the choice of that man has no other reason that to have the power without take care of the consequences ... Thus for me an explosion of the republican party is "possible" .

There is nothing at this time we can do to fix the Democratic Party. It's broken as well. But with the Republican party being even more shattered, there is no incentive to fix the Democratic Party. We need to have a decent opposition party to go against the Democratic Party and send them a message. If we go back to the 1956 plank like some of us want to, the Dems will go into a tailspin they have never experienced before.

What "message" do you think that the GOP needs to send that will convince millions of libs to abandon the D's?

There will certainly be enough room in the GOP ranks for the D's after they run out tens of millions of Christians and Trumpsters. But you still need a message.

GOP will never get the Libs or minorities

Their problem is they are losing women, independents and moderates who will decide the election

You put enough people in tents, and get people shot going to the grocery store, you might lose more of your base than you think. They might not be too keen on a 7 dollar gallon of gas either. With your platform so ridiculous and dangerous and your media wing losing all credibility, I believe you are sledding uphill. I'm not sure screaming racist is going to make people vote for that mess. Your media actually has people believing that half the country wants that stuff. We'll see. I comfortably doubt it.

Wow, let's do a scary message while we are at it. Oohh, I am SSSOOOO scared. Feel better now?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You obviously don't remember or weren't alive in the 50s. The Rivers and the Oceans were downright nasty from all the industrial and other pollution being dumped into them.

You can head on down to your local Dem city river or ocean today and see the poo and urine infested waters, the fish floating belly up, and the NO SWIMMING signs due to yet another Dem spill.

Just got a call from 1896 and they want their decade back.

 

[westwall]

I think that the political global situation "after" the elections will be very different that "now" .
A lot of questions are asked, and firstly the question (for both parties) of the great voters .
But an other question will be posed : the responsability of each party in term of choice of a candidate.
The actual situation is not a surprise ,it's the direct and logic consequence of the choice of a so atipical personality .
The problems were not "previsible" but "sure", and thus the choice of that man has no other reason that to have the power without take care of the consequences ... Thus for me an explosion of the republican party is "possible" .

There is nothing at this time we can do to fix the Democratic Party. It's broken as well. But with the Republican party being even more shattered, there is no incentive to fix the Democratic Party. We need to have a decent opposition party to go against the Democratic Party and send them a message. If we go back to the 1956 plank like some of us want to, the Dems will go into a tailspin they have never experienced before.

The repubs aren't inciting riots, dumbass.

 

[BluesLegend]

You obviously don't remember or weren't alive in the 50s. The Rivers and the Oceans were downright nasty from all the industrial and other pollution being dumped into them.

You can head on down to your local Dem city river or ocean today and see the poo and urine infested waters, the fish floating belly up, and the NO SWIMMING signs due to yet another Dem spill.

So sorry bozo, there are no warning signs on the SF Bay or on our Ocean Beach. The only warning signs are to keep swimmers aware of the sometimes strong undertow / rip tide, and to reduce the amount of eating Striped Bass and bottom feeders do to Mercury content. No fish are floating belly up at any of the waters around the SF Peninsula; these he waters have been clean since the late 1950's.

LA, Portland, and Seattle fool go ahead go swim in the Dem sewage.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I think that the political global situation "after" the elections will be very different that "now" .
A lot of questions are asked, and firstly the question (for both parties) of the great voters .
But an other question will be posed : the responsability of each party in term of choice of a candidate.
The actual situation is not a surprise ,it's the direct and logic consequence of the choice of a so atipical personality .
The problems were not "previsible" but "sure", and thus the choice of that man has no other reason that to have the power without take care of the consequences ... Thus for me an explosion of the republican party is "possible" .

There is nothing at this time we can do to fix the Democratic Party. It's broken as well. But with the Republican party being even more shattered, there is no incentive to fix the Democratic Party. We need to have a decent opposition party to go against the Democratic Party and send them a message. If we go back to the 1956 plank like some of us want to, the Dems will go into a tailspin they have never experienced before.

The repubs aren't inciting riots, dumbass.

And exactly what do you call what I read in here? The only difference is, we don't take you fruitcakes too seriously.