Is the New BS GOP treasonous? Totally brainwashed, misinformed/out of control...

[francoHFW]

The hate/bs conspiracy nutjobs Republicans are now vowing Total War. And the consequences could be immense.

Let’s take the FBI case as just one example. You have a situation where a group of FBI agents is in direct conflict with prosecutors who believe the agents have a weak case in their attempt to find evidence of corruption that can be used against Clinton. The agents, in an atrocious violation of FBI policy against injecting the Bureau into an election, begin leaking dark innuendo to reporters. That convinces the FBI director that he has no choice but to go public with the fact that the Bureau is looking at some emails that might or might not have something to do with Clinton, though no one has actually read them. That news lands like a bombshell, despite its complete lack of substance.

And then it turns out that these agents are basing their investigation on a book called “Clinton Cash” by Peter Schweizer. Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute, an organization co-founded and chaired by Steve Bannon. Who is the CEO of the Trump campaign.

While the “imagine if the other side was doing this” argument can sometimes sound trite, in this case it’s more than apt. Imagine if a group of FBI agents were leaking damaging information on Donald Trump in violation of longstanding departmental policy, and it turned out that they were basing their innuendo on a book published by the Center for American Progress, which Clinton campaign chair John Podesta founded and used to run. Republicans would be crying bloody murder, and I’m pretty sure the entire news media would be backing them up every step of the way.

[Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool]

It’s not that this kind of thing is completely unprecedented. When Bill Clinton was impeached, people talked about “the criminalization of politics” — the idea that Republicans were trying to use the levers of the justice system as a means to prevail in what should be just ordinary political competition. George W. Bush’s administration fired a group of U.S. Attorneys because they were unwilling to pursue bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats or were too willing to investigate genuine corruption among Republican officials. There are cases like the absurd prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, who has been in jail for years because he reappointed to a state health care board a man who had donated money to a lottery initiative Siegelman favored. And there was this guy named J. Edgar Hoover.

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But as he has in so many ways, Donald Trump takes every ugly impulse Republicans have and turns it up to 11, and just about the entire party follows him down. So now they are making it very clear that from literally the day Hillary Clinton is inaugurated, they will wage total war on her. There will be no rule or norm or standard of decency they won’t flout if it gets them a step closer to destroying her, no matter what the collateral damage.

It’s important to understand that strong institutions are what separate strong democracies from weak ones. In a strong democracy, one party can’t come into power and just lock up its opponents. It can’t turn the country’s law enforcement agencies into a partisan tool to destroy the other party. It can’t say that the courts will function only at its pleasure. We have the world’s most stable system not just because there aren’t tanks in the streets on election day, but because we have institutions that are strong enough to restrain the venality of individual men and women. And now, Republicans are not even pretending that those institutions should be impartial and transcend partisanship. They’re saying, if we can use them to destroy our opponents, we will. Something is seriously breaking down.

[Here’s how you destroy a democratic republic]

And please, spare me any explanations for this phenomenon that rely on how “divided” Americans are. Are we divided? Sure. But there’s only one party that is so vigorously undermining core democratic institutions in this way. You may not like what Democrats stand for, but they aren’t engaging in widespread official vote suppression, chanting that should their candidate win her opponent should be tossed in jail, promising to prevent any Republican president from filling vacancies on the Supreme Court, suggesting that they’ll try to impeach their opponent as soon as he takes office, cheering when a hostile foreign power hacks into American electronic systems, and trying to use the FBI to win the election.

Only one party is doing all of that. And we should all be very worried about what Republicans will do after November 8, whether they win or lose.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

*****SIGH & SMILE*****

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear francoHFW
I think the GOP already went through this treasonous war phase with Bush's War and Patriot Act.
I don't think they can unite around such a civil war over this issue.
But perhaps unite around revamping the justice system.
The Christians and Constitutionalists among the Republicans and Libertarians
would do this by the book. not using guns but using knowledge of the laws.
There are already means of setting up Grand Jury systems by the laws.
So that would be more likely to unite the masses in protest,
not a revolution armed with guns but armed with knowledge of the laws
that empowers people with more leverage and ability to unite in enforcement.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear francoHFW
I wish there was some way I could tag on or reply to your Funny with a Funny.
Like n to the nth power expontentially.

When one of my Republican friends starts talking like you about an armed revolution, the one argument he will listen to is that the Governor would call for a constitutional solution first. Such as training all citizens to be their own police and military so the population would qualify for gun ownership should federal restriction s come down on the states. He and I as constitutionalists would support setting up a grand jury system with the Libertarians to check govt and stop political abuses. So these proposal s do appeal to right wing conservatives and constitutionalists as peaceful means of revolutionizing govt without armed forces needing to be exerted.

I think YOU are funny for thinking this is funny. It's a very serious solution to serious problems, and it will take a lot of work similarly to the heavy pulling it took Jesse Jones to convince private investors to bail out smaller banks after the Depression. Not funny at all but some serious serious work for people to agree to take on to fix things ourselves, civilly through the private sector and realize we have that power that ability and that social responsibility.

You are funny if you think this is funny!

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Dear francoHFW
I wish there was some way I could tag on or reply to your Funny with a Funny.
Like n to the nth power expontentially.

When one of my Republican friends starts talking like you about an armed revolution, the one argument he will listen to is that the Governor would call for a constitutional solution first. Such as training all citizens to be their own police and military so the population would qualify for gun ownership should federal restriction s come down on the states. He and I as constitutionalists would support setting up a grand jury system with the Libertarians to check govt and stop political abuses. So these proposal s do appeal to right wing conservatives and constitutionalists as peaceful means of revolutionizing govt without armed forces needing to be exerted.

I think YOU are funny for thinking this is funny. It's a very serious solution to serious problems, and it will take a lot of work similarly to the heavy pulling it took Jesse Jones to convince private investors to bail out smaller banks after the Depression. Not funny at all but some serious serious work for people to agree to take on to fix things ourselves, civilly through the private sector and realize we have that power that ability and that social responsibility.

You are funny if you think this is funny!

He's not seeking solutions that do not involve violence.

He hopes to obtain what he wants whether Hillary or Trump wins.

*****SAD SMILE*****

 

[owebo]

The hate/bs conspiracy nutjobs Republicans are now vowing Total War. And the consequences could be immense.

Let’s take the FBI case as just one example. You have a situation where a group of FBI agents is in direct conflict with prosecutors who believe the agents have a weak case in their attempt to find evidence of corruption that can be used against Clinton. The agents, in an atrocious violation of FBI policy against injecting the Bureau into an election, begin leaking dark innuendo to reporters. That convinces the FBI director that he has no choice but to go public with the fact that the Bureau is looking at some emails that might or might not have something to do with Clinton, though no one has actually read them. That news lands like a bombshell, despite its complete lack of substance.

And then it turns out that these agents are basing their investigation on a book called “Clinton Cash” by Peter Schweizer. Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute, an organization co-founded and chaired by Steve Bannon. Who is the CEO of the Trump campaign.

While the “imagine if the other side was doing this” argument can sometimes sound trite, in this case it’s more than apt. Imagine if a group of FBI agents were leaking damaging information on Donald Trump in violation of longstanding departmental policy, and it turned out that they were basing their innuendo on a book published by the Center for American Progress, which Clinton campaign chair John Podesta founded and used to run. Republicans would be crying bloody murder, and I’m pretty sure the entire news media would be backing them up every step of the way.

[Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool]

It’s not that this kind of thing is completely unprecedented. When Bill Clinton was impeached, people talked about “the criminalization of politics” — the idea that Republicans were trying to use the levers of the justice system as a means to prevail in what should be just ordinary political competition. George W. Bush’s administration fired a group of U.S. Attorneys because they were unwilling to pursue bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats or were too willing to investigate genuine corruption among Republican officials. There are cases like the absurd prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, who has been in jail for years because he reappointed to a state health care board a man who had donated money to a lottery initiative Siegelman favored. And there was this guy named J. Edgar Hoover.

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But as he has in so many ways, Donald Trump takes every ugly impulse Republicans have and turns it up to 11, and just about the entire party follows him down. So now they are making it very clear that from literally the day Hillary Clinton is inaugurated, they will wage total war on her. There will be no rule or norm or standard of decency they won’t flout if it gets them a step closer to destroying her, no matter what the collateral damage.

It’s important to understand that strong institutions are what separate strong democracies from weak ones. In a strong democracy, one party can’t come into power and just lock up its opponents. It can’t turn the country’s law enforcement agencies into a partisan tool to destroy the other party. It can’t say that the courts will function only at its pleasure. We have the world’s most stable system not just because there aren’t tanks in the streets on election day, but because we have institutions that are strong enough to restrain the venality of individual men and women. And now, Republicans are not even pretending that those institutions should be impartial and transcend partisanship. They’re saying, if we can use them to destroy our opponents, we will. Something is seriously breaking down.

[Here’s how you destroy a democratic republic]

And please, spare me any explanations for this phenomenon that rely on how “divided” Americans are. Are we divided? Sure. But there’s only one party that is so vigorously undermining core democratic institutions in this way. You may not like what Democrats stand for, but they aren’t engaging in widespread official vote suppression, chanting that should their candidate win her opponent should be tossed in jail, promising to prevent any Republican president from filling vacancies on the Supreme Court, suggesting that they’ll try to impeach their opponent as soon as he takes office, cheering when a hostile foreign power hacks into American electronic systems, and trying to use the FBI to win the election.

Only one party is doing all of that. And we should all be very worried about what Republicans will do after November 8, whether they win or lose.

Say again Nazi?

Are you posting from orgy island with Bill amd hitlery??

 

[Mad Scientist]

No, it's the same BS Franco WTF.

 

[BluesLegend]

I'm loving the liberal meltdown and these huge manifesto OP's, Trump has them unhinged and venting mouth foam. Was it Trump telling Hillary to her face she belonged in jail on national tv? What pushed you libs over the edge?

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear BluesLegend
To the credit of francoHFW I see no meltdown here, but a well written summary and explanation of how this is seen as a conflict of political interest coming from the Trump camp.

True or false, it is presented well.
There is not emotionally charged bias as in a rant or meltdown.

I went back and re read it,
And understand the view from the opposite perspective assuming Clinton is innocent until proven guilty and any tactic to create the opposite image of guilty until proven innocent is political. I think this is very fair how it is presented though I disagree. I believe Clinton takes advantage of the law for self interest at the expense of the taxpayers voters and country.

 

[Mac1958]

Treasonous. Interesting.

I heard a local conservative radio talk show host yesterday say it was treasonous to not vote for Trump.

I thought that was nuts and a little scary, too.

The ends of the spectrum are killing us. So damn many of their behaviors are so damn similar.
.

 

[owebo]

Treasonous. Interesting.

I heard a local conservative radio talk show host yesterday say it was treasonous to not vote for Trump.

I thought that was nuts and a little scary, too.

The ends of the spectrum are killing us. So damn many of their behaviors are so damn similar.
.

The choice is clear....to think otherwise is pretty scary and nuts....

You fence sitters are killing is. So damn many of your behaviors are so damn destructive....

 

[Mac1958]

The ends of the spectrum are killing us. So damn many of their behaviors are so damn similar..

The choice is clear....to think otherwise is pretty scary and nuts.... You fence sitters are killing is. So damn many of your behaviors are so damn destructive....

Right on cue.

Funny thing is, this post could have come from either end.
.

 

[miketx]

Fear. Desperation. Fear.....4 days....

 

[BluesLegend]

Dear BluesLegend
To the credit of francoHFW I see no meltdown here, but a well written summary and explanation of how this is seen as a conflict of political interest coming from the Trump camp.

True or false, it is presented well.
There is not emotionally charged bias as in a rant or meltdown.

I went back and re read it,
And understand the view from the opposite perspective assuming Clinton is innocent until proven guilty and any tactic to create the opposite image of guilty until proven innocent is political. I think this is very fair how it is presented though I disagree. I believe Clinton takes advantage of the law for self interest at the expense of the taxpayers voters and country.

You don't know franco very well do you. lol He's my favorite lib poster but he's touched in the head.

 

[Snouter]

Franco really should stop cutting and pasting WaPo propaganda.

Maybe Franco should be called #11 going forward!

 

[Rustic]

The hate/bs conspiracy nutjobs Republicans are now vowing Total War. And the consequences could be immense.

Let’s take the FBI case as just one example. You have a situation where a group of FBI agents is in direct conflict with prosecutors who believe the agents have a weak case in their attempt to find evidence of corruption that can be used against Clinton. The agents, in an atrocious violation of FBI policy against injecting the Bureau into an election, begin leaking dark innuendo to reporters. That convinces the FBI director that he has no choice but to go public with the fact that the Bureau is looking at some emails that might or might not have something to do with Clinton, though no one has actually read them. That news lands like a bombshell, despite its complete lack of substance.

And then it turns out that these agents are basing their investigation on a book called “Clinton Cash” by Peter Schweizer. Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute, an organization co-founded and chaired by Steve Bannon. Who is the CEO of the Trump campaign.

While the “imagine if the other side was doing this” argument can sometimes sound trite, in this case it’s more than apt. Imagine if a group of FBI agents were leaking damaging information on Donald Trump in violation of longstanding departmental policy, and it turned out that they were basing their innuendo on a book published by the Center for American Progress, which Clinton campaign chair John Podesta founded and used to run. Republicans would be crying bloody murder, and I’m pretty sure the entire news media would be backing them up every step of the way.

[Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool]

It’s not that this kind of thing is completely unprecedented. When Bill Clinton was impeached, people talked about “the criminalization of politics” — the idea that Republicans were trying to use the levers of the justice system as a means to prevail in what should be just ordinary political competition. George W. Bush’s administration fired a group of U.S. Attorneys because they were unwilling to pursue bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats or were too willing to investigate genuine corruption among Republican officials. There are cases like the absurd prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, who has been in jail for years because he reappointed to a state health care board a man who had donated money to a lottery initiative Siegelman favored. And there was this guy named J. Edgar Hoover.

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But as he has in so many ways, Donald Trump takes every ugly impulse Republicans have and turns it up to 11, and just about the entire party follows him down. So now they are making it very clear that from literally the day Hillary Clinton is inaugurated, they will wage total war on her. There will be no rule or norm or standard of decency they won’t flout if it gets them a step closer to destroying her, no matter what the collateral damage.

It’s important to understand that strong institutions are what separate strong democracies from weak ones. In a strong democracy, one party can’t come into power and just lock up its opponents. It can’t turn the country’s law enforcement agencies into a partisan tool to destroy the other party. It can’t say that the courts will function only at its pleasure. We have the world’s most stable system not just because there aren’t tanks in the streets on election day, but because we have institutions that are strong enough to restrain the venality of individual men and women. And now, Republicans are not even pretending that those institutions should be impartial and transcend partisanship. They’re saying, if we can use them to destroy our opponents, we will. Something is seriously breaking down.

[Here’s how you destroy a democratic republic]

And please, spare me any explanations for this phenomenon that rely on how “divided” Americans are. Are we divided? Sure. But there’s only one party that is so vigorously undermining core democratic institutions in this way. You may not like what Democrats stand for, but they aren’t engaging in widespread official vote suppression, chanting that should their candidate win her opponent should be tossed in jail, promising to prevent any Republican president from filling vacancies on the Supreme Court, suggesting that they’ll try to impeach their opponent as soon as he takes office, cheering when a hostile foreign power hacks into American electronic systems, and trying to use the FBI to win the election.

Only one party is doing all of that. And we should all be very worried about what Republicans will do after November 8, whether they win or lose.

You can't get more repugnant than the Clintons… Dip shit
Lol

 

[Kondor3]

Is the New BS GOP treasonous? Totally brainwashed, misinformed/out of control..

The Force is weak in this one.

You can smell the Fear and Desperation on Democrats like the chlorinated musk stench of a decadent LibTard bathhouse and opium den.

Their noses are so far up each others asses that they're sniffin' tonsils...

Unfortunately, I'm stuck voting for their corrupt standard bearer, given the insane nature of the alternative, but it's still damned funny to watch.

 

[francoHFW]

Is the New BS GOP treasonous? Totally brainwashed, misinformed/out of control..

The Force is weak in this one.

You can smell the Fear and Desperation on Democrats like the chlorinated musk stench of a decadent LibTard bathhouse and opium den.

Their noses are so far up each others asses that they're sniffin' tonsils...

Unfortunately, I'm stuck voting for their corrupt standard bearer, given the insane nature of the alternative, but it's still damned funny to watch.

If you believe the world's best charity is a slush fund after numerous investigations...

 

[francoHFW]

Donald Trump’s FBI: James Comey’s department is filled with pro-Trump, anti-Hillary Clinton partisans Even nutjob RW FBIers...

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The hate/bs conspiracy nutjobs Republicans are now vowing Total War. And the consequences could be immense.

Let’s take the FBI case as just one example. You have a situation where a group of FBI agents is in direct conflict with prosecutors who believe the agents have a weak case in their attempt to find evidence of corruption that can be used against Clinton. The agents, in an atrocious violation of FBI policy against injecting the Bureau into an election, begin leaking dark innuendo to reporters. That convinces the FBI director that he has no choice but to go public with the fact that the Bureau is looking at some emails that might or might not have something to do with Clinton, though no one has actually read them. That news lands like a bombshell, despite its complete lack of substance.

And then it turns out that these agents are basing their investigation on a book called “Clinton Cash” by Peter Schweizer. Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute, an organization co-founded and chaired by Steve Bannon. Who is the CEO of the Trump campaign.

While the “imagine if the other side was doing this” argument can sometimes sound trite, in this case it’s more than apt. Imagine if a group of FBI agents were leaking damaging information on Donald Trump in violation of longstanding departmental policy, and it turned out that they were basing their innuendo on a book published by the Center for American Progress, which Clinton campaign chair John Podesta founded and used to run. Republicans would be crying bloody murder, and I’m pretty sure the entire news media would be backing them up every step of the way.

[Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool]

It’s not that this kind of thing is completely unprecedented. When Bill Clinton was impeached, people talked about “the criminalization of politics” — the idea that Republicans were trying to use the levers of the justice system as a means to prevail in what should be just ordinary political competition. George W. Bush’s administration fired a group of U.S. Attorneys because they were unwilling to pursue bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats or were too willing to investigate genuine corruption among Republican officials. There are cases like the absurd prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, who has been in jail for years because he reappointed to a state health care board a man who had donated money to a lottery initiative Siegelman favored. And there was this guy named J. Edgar Hoover.

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But as he has in so many ways, Donald Trump takes every ugly impulse Republicans have and turns it up to 11, and just about the entire party follows him down. So now they are making it very clear that from literally the day Hillary Clinton is inaugurated, they will wage total war on her. There will be no rule or norm or standard of decency they won’t flout if it gets them a step closer to destroying her, no matter what the collateral damage.

It’s important to understand that strong institutions are what separate strong democracies from weak ones. In a strong democracy, one party can’t come into power and just lock up its opponents. It can’t turn the country’s law enforcement agencies into a partisan tool to destroy the other party. It can’t say that the courts will function only at its pleasure. We have the world’s most stable system not just because there aren’t tanks in the streets on election day, but because we have institutions that are strong enough to restrain the venality of individual men and women. And now, Republicans are not even pretending that those institutions should be impartial and transcend partisanship. They’re saying, if we can use them to destroy our opponents, we will. Something is seriously breaking down.

[Here’s how you destroy a democratic republic]

And please, spare me any explanations for this phenomenon that rely on how “divided” Americans are. Are we divided? Sure. But there’s only one party that is so vigorously undermining core democratic institutions in this way. You may not like what Democrats stand for, but they aren’t engaging in widespread official vote suppression, chanting that should their candidate win her opponent should be tossed in jail, promising to prevent any Republican president from filling vacancies on the Supreme Court, suggesting that they’ll try to impeach their opponent as soon as he takes office, cheering when a hostile foreign power hacks into American electronic systems, and trying to use the FBI to win the election.

Only one party is doing all of that. And we should all be very worried about what Republicans will do after November 8, whether they win or lose.

Steve Schmidt said it very well.