Is the mantle already in the process of being passed?

[berg80]

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war” centered on immigration policy. Is the point to put America to work for Americans (MAGA-coded “real Americans,” of course)? Or is it to open the flood gates for engineers from Bangalore and Taiwan to achieve maximum efficiency and the global dominance of Silicon Valley? Vivek Ramaswamy baldly went there with a long post arguing that you simply can’t staff Silicon Valley with native-born Americans because the country is mired in a “culture of mediocrity.” “A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers,” he continued. It’s worth reading because it distills a specific viewpoint, at least parts of which many people agree with and which has powerful backers in Silicon Valley.

But let me suggest that a “MAGA civil war” isn’t the right frame to understand any of this. MAGA of the 2024-25 era is more like an electoral machine built around Donald Trump. Itr runs very well. Who gets to run it and who does it work for? Good white folk from Middle America or the best and the brightest from South Asia? MAGA never really had core policies. It had impulses. A huge amount of canonical Trumpism, as it was articulated during the Biden years, was a raft of policies and goals that were little more than payback over the Mueller probe. With Trump now tired and on the way out, there’s an increasing free-for-all over who gets the keys. Musk? Bannon? Ramaswamy? The Project 2025 Heritage Crowd? JD Vance and Josh Hawley and anti-cat ladyism?

It’s Not Really a MAGA Civil War, More Like a Battle Over the Steering Wheel

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war”...

talkingpointsmemo.com

With the orange enemy of the state following Musk's lead on the budget battle and H1B visa fight, one Musk was mocked over by famed nihilist Steve Bannon, are the elbows already flying for the time when trump's mental decline becomes more apparent than it already is?

 

[Nostra]

Lessee…….wannabe dictator Trump fights for two years to get into office to be a dictator, and as soon as he does he steps aside.

The left is full of delusional, conspiracy theory idiots.

 

[toobfreak]

Berg's brain on MAGA:



There is nothing left in his head but 21 cm noise leftover from the big bang.

 

[Rawley]

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war” centered on immigration policy. Is the point to put America to work for Americans (MAGA-coded “real Americans,” of course)? Or is it to open the flood gates for engineers from Bangalore and Taiwan to achieve maximum efficiency and the global dominance of Silicon Valley? Vivek Ramaswamy baldly went there with a long post arguing that you simply can’t staff Silicon Valley with native-born Americans because the country is mired in a “culture of mediocrity.” “A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers,” he continued. It’s worth reading because it distills a specific viewpoint, at least parts of which many people agree with and which has powerful backers in Silicon Valley.

But let me suggest that a “MAGA civil war” isn’t the right frame to understand any of this. MAGA of the 2024-25 era is more like an electoral machine built around Donald Trump. Itr runs very well. Who gets to run it and who does it work for? Good white folk from Middle America or the best and the brightest from South Asia? MAGA never really had core policies. It had impulses. A huge amount of canonical Trumpism, as it was articulated during the Biden years, was a raft of policies and goals that were little more than payback over the Mueller probe. With Trump now tired and on the way out, there’s an increasing free-for-all over who gets the keys. Musk? Bannon? Ramaswamy? The Project 2025 Heritage Crowd? JD Vance and Josh Hawley and anti-cat ladyism?

It’s Not Really a MAGA Civil War, More Like a Battle Over the Steering Wheel

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war”...

talkingpointsmemo.com

With the orange enemy of the state following Musk's lead on the budget battle and H1B visa fight, one Musk was mocked over by famed nihilist Steve Bannon, are the elbows already flying for the time when trump's mental decline becomes more apparent than it already is?

Your pain brings us joy

 

[struth]

It's rather amazing how the Dembot mind will fall for anything their propagandist tell them.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Yet another NARRATIVE from the demented LEFT.
These Marxist zombie FREAKS live and die by NARRATIVES.

 

[Independent thinker]

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war” centered on immigration policy. Is the point to put America to work for Americans (MAGA-coded “real Americans,” of course)? Or is it to open the flood gates for engineers from Bangalore and Taiwan to achieve maximum efficiency and the global dominance of Silicon Valley? Vivek Ramaswamy baldly went there with a long post arguing that you simply can’t staff Silicon Valley with native-born Americans because the country is mired in a “culture of mediocrity.” “A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers,” he continued. It’s worth reading because it distills a specific viewpoint, at least parts of which many people agree with and which has powerful backers in Silicon Valley.

But let me suggest that a “MAGA civil war” isn’t the right frame to understand any of this. MAGA of the 2024-25 era is more like an electoral machine built around Donald Trump. Itr runs very well. Who gets to run it and who does it work for? Good white folk from Middle America or the best and the brightest from South Asia? MAGA never really had core policies. It had impulses. A huge amount of canonical Trumpism, as it was articulated during the Biden years, was a raft of policies and goals that were little more than payback over the Mueller probe. With Trump now tired and on the way out, there’s an increasing free-for-all over who gets the keys. Musk? Bannon? Ramaswamy? The Project 2025 Heritage Crowd? JD Vance and Josh Hawley and anti-cat ladyism?

It’s Not Really a MAGA Civil War, More Like a Battle Over the Steering Wheel

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war”...

talkingpointsmemo.com

With the orange enemy of the state following Musk's lead on the budget battle and H1B visa fight, one Musk was mocked over by famed nihilist Steve Bannon, are the elbows already flying for the time when trump's mental decline becomes more apparent than it already is?

I love the fact that all you guys have got is to whine for four years.

 

[boevans]

In fighting amongst MAGA is good for the nation.

 

[konradv]

Your pain brings us joy

You’re a sad case. You’d think winning was enough, but that’s not the case for fascists.

 

[kyzr]

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war” centered on immigration policy. Is the point to put America to work for Americans (MAGA-coded “real Americans,” of course)? Or is it to open the flood gates for engineers from Bangalore and Taiwan to achieve maximum efficiency and the global dominance of Silicon Valley? Vivek Ramaswamy baldly went there with a long post arguing that you simply can’t staff Silicon Valley with native-born Americans because the country is mired in a “culture of mediocrity.” “A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers,” he continued. It’s worth reading because it distills a specific viewpoint, at least parts of which many people agree with and which has powerful backers in Silicon Valley.
But let me suggest that a “MAGA civil war” isn’t the right frame to understand any of this. MAGA of the 2024-25 era is more like an electoral machine built around Donald Trump. Itr runs very well. Who gets to run it and who does it work for? Good white folk from Middle America or the best and the brightest from South Asia? MAGA never really had core policies. It had impulses. A huge amount of canonical Trumpism, as it was articulated during the Biden years, was a raft of policies and goals that were little more than payback over the Mueller probe. With Trump now tired and on the way out, there’s an increasing free-for-all over who gets the keys. Musk? Bannon? Ramaswamy? The Project 2025 Heritage Crowd? JD Vance and Josh Hawley and anti-cat ladyism?
With the orange enemy of the state following Musk's lead on the budget battle and H1B visa fight, one Musk was mocked over by famed nihilist Steve Bannon, are the elbows already flying for the time when trump's mental decline becomes more apparent than it already is?

The problem is that we need more talented engineers to keep our technological lead. Can AI be used to advantage? Stay tuned.
Oligarchs can bring foreigners in with bribes of wealth and hope they don't steal the technology and sell it to our enemies.
OR, we can try to develop more talented native born engineers.
How can we get more talented native people into STEM careers?
1. Its boring as hell, numbers all day every day. Reading Code books. Math intensive. Very few women become engineers.
2. Colleges only take a very limited number of high potential engineering students, and many of those flunk out, (not talented?).
3. I recall a case recently in NYU where a professor of organic chemistry was fired for not coddling students. Organic is very difficult.

NYU Professor Maitland Jones Jr. fired for being too hard says colleges ‘coddle students’

An NYU chemistry professor who claimed he was fired after students complained his class was too hard said colleges “coddle” students when they should be applying “tough love.&#822…

nypost.com

NYU Professor Maitland Jones Jr. fired for being too hard says colleges ‘coddle students’​

4. So Vivek and Elon have a very insightful position, US kids do not pursue STEM subjects with enough intensity, and therefore the US does not have enough talented engineers and scientists. IMHO we need to pay talented engineers more to attract more talent. Why bust your ass learning organic chemistry when I can become a stock broker or financial analyst or a business administration major and have a better shot at upper management?

 

[Rawley]

You’re a sad case. You’d think winning was enough, but that’s not the case for fascists.

Your mental anguish is delicious. Your cult is broken.

 

[Doc7505]

The problem is that we need more talented engineers to keep our technological lead. Can AI be used to advantage? Stay tuned.
Oligarchs can bring foreigners in with bribes of wealth and hope they don't steal the technology and sell it to our enemies.
OR, we can try to develop more talented native born engineers.
How can we get more talented native people into STEM careers?
1. Its boring as hell, numbers all day every day. Reading Code books. Math intensive. Very few women become engineers.
2. Colleges only take a very limited number of high potential engineering students, and many of those flunk out, (not talented?).
3. I recall a case recently in NYU where a professor of organic chemistry was fired for not coddling students. Organic is very difficult.

NYU Professor Maitland Jones Jr. fired for being too hard says colleges ‘coddle students’

An NYU chemistry professor who claimed he was fired after students complained his class was too hard said colleges “coddle” students when they should be applying “tough love.&#822…

nypost.com

NYU Professor Maitland Jones Jr. fired for being too hard says colleges ‘coddle students’​

4. So Vivek and Elon have a very insightful position, US kids do not pursue STEM subjects with enough intensity, and therefore the US does not have enough talented engineers and scientists. IMHO we need to pay talented engineers more to attract more talent. Why bust your ass learning organic chemistry when I can become a stock broker or financial analyst or a business administration major and have a better shot at upper management?

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I'm not against the H-1B program. I just don't like seeing it abused and used to cut costs for Corporate profit.
It was never intended for that purpose. As usual a good program sullied and used improperly.

 

[konradv]

Your mental anguish is delicious. Your cult is broken.

Hardly!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war” centered on immigration policy. Is the point to put America to work for Americans (MAGA-coded “real Americans,” of course)? Or is it to open the flood gates for engineers from Bangalore and Taiwan to achieve maximum efficiency and the global dominance of Silicon Valley? Vivek Ramaswamy baldly went there with a long post arguing that you simply can’t staff Silicon Valley with native-born Americans because the country is mired in a “culture of mediocrity.” “A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers,” he continued. It’s worth reading because it distills a specific viewpoint, at least parts of which many people agree with and which has powerful backers in Silicon Valley.

But let me suggest that a “MAGA civil war” isn’t the right frame to understand any of this. MAGA of the 2024-25 era is more like an electoral machine built around Donald Trump. Itr runs very well. Who gets to run it and who does it work for? Good white folk from Middle America or the best and the brightest from South Asia? MAGA never really had core policies. It had impulses. A huge amount of canonical Trumpism, as it was articulated during the Biden years, was a raft of policies and goals that were little more than payback over the Mueller probe. With Trump now tired and on the way out, there’s an increasing free-for-all over who gets the keys. Musk? Bannon? Ramaswamy? The Project 2025 Heritage Crowd? JD Vance and Josh Hawley and anti-cat ladyism?

It’s Not Really a MAGA Civil War, More Like a Battle Over the Steering Wheel

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war”...

talkingpointsmemo.com

With the orange enemy of the state following Musk's lead on the budget battle and H1B visa fight, one Musk was mocked over by famed nihilist Steve Bannon, are the elbows already flying for the time when trump's mental decline becomes more apparent than it already is?

It’s important to understand that Trump is the product of a GOP that more than 50 years ago abandoned democracy and embraced authoritarian fascism, resulting in the tyranny of Republican minority rule we suffer from today; ‘Trumpism/MAGA’ is just the most recent manifestation of failed, wrongheaded conservative dogma.

This is a struggle, then, as how to best advance the fascist Republican agenda post-Trump – will there be a ‘new’ Trump or will a junta of authoritarian ideologues take charge.

 

[Oddball]

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war” centered on immigration policy. Is the point to put America to work for Americans (MAGA-coded “real Americans,” of course)? Or is it to open the flood gates for engineers from Bangalore and Taiwan to achieve maximum efficiency and the global dominance of Silicon Valley? Vivek Ramaswamy baldly went there with a long post arguing that you simply can’t staff Silicon Valley with native-born Americans because the country is mired in a “culture of mediocrity.” “A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers,” he continued. It’s worth reading because it distills a specific viewpoint, at least parts of which many people agree with and which has powerful backers in Silicon Valley.

But let me suggest that a “MAGA civil war” isn’t the right frame to understand any of this. MAGA of the 2024-25 era is more like an electoral machine built around Donald Trump. Itr runs very well. Who gets to run it and who does it work for? Good white folk from Middle America or the best and the brightest from South Asia? MAGA never really had core policies. It had impulses. A huge amount of canonical Trumpism, as it was articulated during the Biden years, was a raft of policies and goals that were little more than payback over the Mueller probe. With Trump now tired and on the way out, there’s an increasing free-for-all over who gets the keys. Musk? Bannon? Ramaswamy? The Project 2025 Heritage Crowd? JD Vance and Josh Hawley and anti-cat ladyism?

It’s Not Really a MAGA Civil War, More Like a Battle Over the Steering Wheel

We’re seeing a range of headlines today about the “MAGA civil war”...

talkingpointsmemo.com

With the orange enemy of the state following Musk's lead on the budget battle and H1B visa fight, one Musk was mocked over by famed nihilist Steve Bannon, are the elbows already flying for the time when trump's mental decline becomes more apparent than it already is?

 

[Nostra]

You’re a sad case. You’d think winning was enough, but that’s not the case for fascists.

Real Americans rejected your fascist dumbassery.

Ask your handlers for a new schtick, Simp.

 

[Nostra]

It’s important to understand that Trump is the product of a GOP that more than 50 years ago abandoned democracy and embraced authoritarian fascism, resulting in the tyranny of Republican minority rule we suffer from today; ‘Trumpism/MAGA’ is just the most recent manifestation of failed, wrongheaded conservative dogma.

This is a struggle, then, as how to best advance the fascist Republican agenda post-Trump – will there be a ‘new’ Trump or will a junta of authoritarian ideologues take charge.

Trump broke you, and it is hilarious.

 

[berg80]

Your pain brings us joy

Your idiocy brings me sadness. Therefore, ignored.

 

[Nostra]

Your idiocy brings me sadness. Therefore, ignored.

How did you respond if you ignored it?

 

[CrusaderFrank]