I just hope I can retire out of the USAF in 20-30 years and teach at a War College, or a military Academy. A place where discipline is more in the system then a public school. I couldn't imagine teaching at a public high school. Plus I doubt their are many with Military History as a class lol. (Accidentally typed 'ass' instead of as after Military History lol).
Is Teaching a respected Profession in This country?
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Wicked Jester
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He was a union teacher referred by the union........Fact of the matter is, this kind of crap is going on in our public schools everyday. Go on Youtube, and you'll find never ending evidence of what is going on.
This kind of crap wasn't going on when I went to public school. We were taught the basics. We didn't have political ideals shoved down our throats. We weren't taught BS revisionist history......I'm sick and tired of hearing the, "It's all the parents fault. The teachers are the greatest!. How dare you question the teachers!"
Lets face it, the liberal agenda is permeating our public schools. And IT IS a reason for the failures we are seeing. Yeah, there are parents who need to be held accountable, no doubt. But the fact of the matter is, the evidence towards the liberal agenda cannot be overlooked. It's real, and the evidence is there.
Bottom line, there is no reason whatsoever for religion, politics, sexual preference etc., to be shoved down our childrens throats in a PUBLIC SCHOOL SETTING.
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I've not read through this thread, I had read some earlier and now I've read some on the back end.
I love teaching, I'm doing all I can to find a permanent position. I love subbing and would never consider showing any video not given by the teacher I'm subbing for. If told to show something like Brokeback Mtn., I'd go to the chair first, if not helpful I'd go to the principal. So would every sub I've worked with.
With that said, in all but one class where the teacher was taken out by ambulance, I've walked into a classroom with well prepared lessons and kids wanting to learn. Nearly all the teachers I've known have been professional in their behavior and preparing for classes. I'll bet up to a couple weeks ago, that was true of most of the teachers in WI. However at some point they decided that their union was more important that the kids. It was a choice I would not have made, though I'm certain some teachers here would.
In my area teachers are not underpaid, they make considerably more than those with equivalent education. That doesn't mean they have it easy, they don't. But they also are not bored while answering phones in an office or filling out forms for a company. They are not in most schools in danger, contrary to the man bites dog stories we read about. In 2007-2008 school year, the lowest avg salary was over $38k, the only state that was in the 30's. My state avg was over $60k and that was 4 school years ago.
I think it's time we stop acting like teachers are facing bullets and fists at every turn. Once in 15 years have I dealt with a physical altercation and all of my teaching experience has been in middle and high schools, including 3 years in a low income public high school. Of course there are exceptions, but there are those at post offices and office buildings too. Not nearly as many security measures are taken after the fact at locations other than schools.
I'm tired of people claiming that teachers are showing dirty videos, encouraging sex amongst the kids, that we all are indoctrinating them into some hedonistic future. I'm equally sick of arguments that teachers are grossly underpaid, self-sacrificing angels that live altruistic lives. That students are dangerous and all are unmotivated. That parents don't care about their kids or their education.
All the above are caricatures with little basis of reality, based upon partisan views with some anecdotal examples. Most teachers are decent, many are very good, some are exceptional, a few should not be in a classroom or babysitting. Same with the students. Same with the parents.
Bodecea keeps posting about teachers lasting an average of 5 years. I don't doubt that, most teachers are female and graduate at 21 or 22. Many leave a few years after that for pregnancies, moving to another location, find that the work isn't for them, often return to school to move into another career or administration. Most teachers that can't teach or control the classroom, (same result), usually leave after 1 or 2 years. They should leave.
Inner city schools and rural schools are going to have more turnover because of burn out and resources. However, most schools are not inner city or rural.
I love teaching, I'm doing all I can to find a permanent position. I love subbing and would never consider showing any video not given by the teacher I'm subbing for. If told to show something like Brokeback Mtn., I'd go to the chair first, if not helpful I'd go to the principal. So would every sub I've worked with.
With that said, in all but one class where the teacher was taken out by ambulance, I've walked into a classroom with well prepared lessons and kids wanting to learn. Nearly all the teachers I've known have been professional in their behavior and preparing for classes. I'll bet up to a couple weeks ago, that was true of most of the teachers in WI. However at some point they decided that their union was more important that the kids. It was a choice I would not have made, though I'm certain some teachers here would.
In my area teachers are not underpaid, they make considerably more than those with equivalent education. That doesn't mean they have it easy, they don't. But they also are not bored while answering phones in an office or filling out forms for a company. They are not in most schools in danger, contrary to the man bites dog stories we read about. In 2007-2008 school year, the lowest avg salary was over $38k, the only state that was in the 30's. My state avg was over $60k and that was 4 school years ago.
I think it's time we stop acting like teachers are facing bullets and fists at every turn. Once in 15 years have I dealt with a physical altercation and all of my teaching experience has been in middle and high schools, including 3 years in a low income public high school. Of course there are exceptions, but there are those at post offices and office buildings too. Not nearly as many security measures are taken after the fact at locations other than schools.
I'm tired of people claiming that teachers are showing dirty videos, encouraging sex amongst the kids, that we all are indoctrinating them into some hedonistic future. I'm equally sick of arguments that teachers are grossly underpaid, self-sacrificing angels that live altruistic lives. That students are dangerous and all are unmotivated. That parents don't care about their kids or their education.
All the above are caricatures with little basis of reality, based upon partisan views with some anecdotal examples. Most teachers are decent, many are very good, some are exceptional, a few should not be in a classroom or babysitting. Same with the students. Same with the parents.
Bodecea keeps posting about teachers lasting an average of 5 years. I don't doubt that, most teachers are female and graduate at 21 or 22. Many leave a few years after that for pregnancies, moving to another location, find that the work isn't for them, often return to school to move into another career or administration. Most teachers that can't teach or control the classroom, (same result), usually leave after 1 or 2 years. They should leave.
Inner city schools and rural schools are going to have more turnover because of burn out and resources. However, most schools are not inner city or rural.
WorldWatcher
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Thank you for that item of information, I'll file it away for future reference and will modify my perception of the situation accordingly.
Would you have reference that supports that?
Most of our subs are not professionally certified, although we do have some retired teachers who are certified who keep there toes in the water or are willing to fill in during a long term absence (surgery, maternity, etc...)
Thanks in advance.
WW
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iamwhatiseem
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That's easy.
The Dept. of Education is a failure in every single problem they were suppose to alleviate.
They cannot speak of ANY successes in their entire existence.
Teachers unions make it next to impossible to get rid of bad teachers.
Soo...it is clear that if a teachers priority is education students - that they couldn't possibly support either one.
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I would like to see his evidence that that sub was a Union teacher also. Around here, subs are not....only if they get contracts to teach from the district do they join the union...it's pretty obvious they can't join yet because subs usually work in more than one district at a time, signing up with 4-5 depending on how many calls they can get to keep busy.
iamwhatiseem
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Which is logical.
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I was told to respect teachers as a kid but for the most part they did not live up to their PR.
Education and indoctrination are not the same thing. Most of the teachers I had were indoctrinators not educators and although I was mostly courteous to them I did not respect them.
I got more useful information from books that I had to find on my own than from teachers.
This is the most hilarious indictment of education that I have ever seen.
And that was from the late 80s and they keep calling those people EDUCATED. Our concept of education is EXTREMELY Cultural but how reality works does not care about any culture. If global warming is happening then culture won't matter. The humanities and sociology people don't accept that hard science trumps them. I bought this book back then:
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Cultural-Literacy-Every-American-Needs/dp/0394758439]Amazon.com: Cultural Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know (9780394758435): E.D. Hirsch Jr.: Books[/ame]
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Though I could probably pass the cultural literacy tests I thought the list was really dumb. The Battle of Hastings was more important than the Moon landing. This fixation on the past is about slowing down the future. The future is about to body slam us.
So now we have all of these miseducated kids that are supposed to respect teachers that have wasted their time on junk.
psik
Education and indoctrination are not the same thing. Most of the teachers I had were indoctrinators not educators and although I was mostly courteous to them I did not respect them.
I got more useful information from books that I had to find on my own than from teachers.
This is the most hilarious indictment of education that I have ever seen.
And that was from the late 80s and they keep calling those people EDUCATED. Our concept of education is EXTREMELY Cultural but how reality works does not care about any culture. If global warming is happening then culture won't matter. The humanities and sociology people don't accept that hard science trumps them. I bought this book back then:
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Cultural-Literacy-Every-American-Needs/dp/0394758439]Amazon.com: Cultural Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know (9780394758435): E.D. Hirsch Jr.: Books[/ame]
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Though I could probably pass the cultural literacy tests I thought the list was really dumb. The Battle of Hastings was more important than the Moon landing. This fixation on the past is about slowing down the future. The future is about to body slam us.
So now we have all of these miseducated kids that are supposed to respect teachers that have wasted their time on junk.
psik
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iamwhatiseem
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No. To anyone who is logical.
You tell me, in any way, how the Dept. of Edu could be considered a success on even a small level.
The department was developed, and then revamped by President Carter to address very specific problems - namely improve drop out rates as an example.
Not one - not one - of the D.O.E. charter outlines have they improved or eliminated.
You tell me how it would be illogical to state that they are unsuccessful.
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And the sooner the better.
Texas has an initiative to lower the cost of an undergraduate degree to $10,000 in total. The internet should be able to drive that cost down even further.
iamwhatiseem
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*chirp* *chirp*
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Nothing but respect for my kids teachers.
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Oh because the brick and mortar have been so careful with honesty?
As for allowing the private sector bringing market forces to bear, seems the DOE has some explaining to do. This certainly wasn't for 'the children' or the taxpayers:Insider Trading at the Department of Education? - ProfessorBainbridge.com
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Here's what is what should happen if we want to compare ourselves apples to apples with other countries. These are the students we measure:
1. Those truely gifted and motivated regardless of their real life situation and work very hard to succeed in school.
2. Those marginally gifted and motivated, but who have parents who push them relentlessly to succeed in school.
3. Those marginally gifted and motivated, but who have money to buy the best schools, tutors, degrees that show them having succeeded in school.
All others...fall by the wayside to low end jobs.
1. Those truely gifted and motivated regardless of their real life situation and work very hard to succeed in school.
2. Those marginally gifted and motivated, but who have parents who push them relentlessly to succeed in school.
3. Those marginally gifted and motivated, but who have money to buy the best schools, tutors, degrees that show them having succeeded in school.
All others...fall by the wayside to low end jobs.
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