Is "Sorek" desalination technology the only way to save vulnerable real estate from rising ocean levels?

[DennisPTate]

I asked the following question of Google:
" Is the ice on Greenland becoming darker and attracting more solar energy?"
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Yes, the Greenland ice sheet is becoming darker and is, as a result, absorbing more solar energy. This process, known as a positive feedback loop, accelerates melting and contributes to rising sea levels.

Why the Ice is Darkening
The darkening, or reduction in albedo (reflectivity), is primarily driven by climate warming, which triggers several interconnected processes:

• Changes in Snow Grain Size: As temperatures rise, the small, multi-faceted ice crystals in fresh snow melt and refreeze into larger, rounder grains. These larger grains are less reflective and absorb more solar radiation, particularly in the near-infrared spectrum, even if the change is not visible to the naked eye.
• Concentration of Impurities: Melting surface snow leaves behind accumulated impurities, such as dust and black carbon (soot from pollution and wildfires), at the surface, creating a "dirty" layer. This darker surface further reduces reflectivity.
• Growth of Glacier Algae: Microscopic, pigmented algae (green, brown, and black) thrive in the meltwater on the ice surface. To protect themselves from the intense sun, they produce dark pigments, which significantly darken large areas of the ice sheet, especially along the western margin known as the "dark zone".
• Exposure of Bare Ice and Melt Ponds: Prolonged melting exposes bare, blue ice, which is naturally less reflective than snow. Dark pools of meltwater also form on the surface, which absorb even more solar energy than the bare ice.

Impact of Darker Ice

A brighter surface reflects much of the sun's energy back into space, which has a cooling effect on the planet. A darker surface, however, absorbs more heat, leading to faster warming and increased melting.

Scientists estimate that the darkening of the ice sheet in the early 21st century allowed it to absorb enough extra energy to double melt rates in affected areas. These biological and physical feedbacks were not initially included in many climate models, and incorporating them is crucial for accurately predicting future sea level ris

 

[DennisPTate]

Would you like to see Mr. Al Gore come out with a new documentary on an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that could be useful to the Trump administration as a possible Phase two, three or four, to The Abraham Accords?

Based partly on the less divisive way of approaching Climate Change would you like to see Mr. Al Gore lead the Dems into the 2026 mid-terms?
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"I have a sincere suggestion for the Dems.....
get Mr. Al Gore to do so some variation on an apology for missing some critical information related to his documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."

His new campaign for the 2026 mid terms could be to deliberately turn deserts green in such a way as to insulate the USA and world economy from a Bear Market, AND to attempt to increase economic cooperation between ten million Israelis with their two billion Islamic neighbours, based on an ancient Islamic prediction that fits perfectly with Isaiah chapter thirty five."

"Will world peace begin with immigrants from many nations who go to Canada and find out ways to address the root causes of the conflicts that were going on in the nations that they left?

I am hopeful that this will be the case, for example, immigrants to Canada from the Middle East may be able to turn the world away from the Al Gore Carbon Tax Theory and the Bill Gates, "Innovation to zero" emissions theory, and instead adopt the more down to earth approach to Climate Change advocated in the Jewish, Islamic and Christian scriptures as well as by a New Mexico biologist and coach.

Here is an ancient Islamic prediction that sounds like a brilliant response to both the threat of rising ocean levels... as well as to the Economic Crisis that it appears some influential people seem to want to occur."

Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)

... "The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joyand singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the
excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.

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Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongueof the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out,
and streams in the desert.
And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons,where
each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes." (Isaiah 35 : 1, 2, 6, 7 ).

A New Mexico biologist and coach wrote up an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that fits well with these ancient Islamic and Jewish predictions for the last decades and centuries of human history before our Creator gives us a utopian world where the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh.

New Mexico biologist and coach Carl Cantrell.....

"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.

Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated.

The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave.

So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive.

Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds

This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.

Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.

With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.

This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.

Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect


We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).

Post in thread 'Is a massive shift about to occur in USA Democratic Party?'

Jan 11, 2026

Their leadership is distinctly unimpressive for a party of the working class. Their gerontocracy feels it has to keep the donors happy I suppose.

I have a sincere suggestion for the Dems.....
get Mr. Al Gore to do so some variation on an apology for missing some critical information related to his documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."

His new campaign for the 2026 mid terms could be to deliberately turn deserts green in such a way as to insulate the USA and world economy from a Bear Market, AND to attempt to increase economic cooperation between ten million Israelis with their...

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[DennisPTate]

Show us a photo of "ocean rise" or admit there isn't one ongoing now...

Do we need all the old photos of Lady Liberty again to prove oceans are not rising?

But even theoretical ocean rise could be useful in assisting President Trump with a possible Phase 2,3,4 or 5 to The Abrahamic Accords?

Thread 'Instead of fighting against Trump you could?'

Jan 25, 2026

Instead of fighting against President Trump you could assist him to bring Shalom to the Middle East through a massive increase in Economic Cooperation between ten million Israelis and a billion or more Islamic neighbours?

I believe the key to pulling this off as Phase 2,3, 4 and 5 of "The Abrahamic Accords" is an ancient Islamic Hadith that just happens to be in agreement with Isaiah chapter thirty five.

Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so...

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[DennisPTate]

I don't have a whole lot of pity for those who build residences on a beach somewhere. Sometimes there are consequences for being stupid.

Re the desalination projects, I got no problem with private money going into something like that but not our taxdollars, at least until the project is feasible. No more bullet trains and bridges to nowhere.

Good point and here are some statistics on all of this that I believe have been ignored by people who should have know about this part of the whole formula?

"Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
miles of ice each year--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
the Gods, page 480).

Zone1 Thread 'Did the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica keep ocean levels stable for centuries?'

Jan 31, 2026

Was the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica the number one reason that ocean levels have not risen in not only DECADES but actually centuries?

During my 2008 campaign for public office in Nova Scotia, a well read elderly gentleman from Latvia made me aware of the following:

"Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust...

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[Mushroom]

I love the look of the existing Solar powered desalination technology BUT it seems also clear to me that this technology cannot even handle what needs to be done along the Mediterranean Sea near the Sahara Desert?

Major basic science fail here.

Just for the amount of rise seen in the last thousand years, you are talking about an absolutely insane amount of water. There are over 4,000,000,000 square inches in a square mile. And over 139 million square miles of ocean. At to just be generous, I will call it .25 instead of .18 inches of rise per year.

That comes to somewhere around 1,000,000,000,000 gallons of sea water you are going to have to desalinate per year. First of all how in the hell are you going to desalinate over a trillion gallons per year? Then secondly, what in the hell are you going to do with all the waste brine without destroying the ecosystem?

And thirdly, what in the hell would that do? You release it into the environment, where it will just evaporate, and fall back to the surface again as rain. So the next result is that it all just ends up back in the ocean anyways.

But good god, just thinking of the vast sub-ocean desert from releasing the waste brine from over a trillion gallons of sea water would be enough to poison and kill all sea life in an area measured in thousands of square miles if not tens of thousands of square miles. Not to mention a complete and utter waste of time as the water will just return to the ocean anyways.

 

[DennisPTate]

Major basic science fail here.

Just for the amount of rise seen in the last thousand years, you are talking about an absolutely insane amount of water. There are over 4,000,000,000 square inches in a square mile. And over 139 million square miles of ocean. At to just be generous, I will call it .25 instead of .18 inches of rise per year.

That comes to somewhere around 1,000,000,000,000 gallons of sea water you are going to have to desalinate per year. First of all how in the hell are you going to desalinate over a trillion gallons per year? Then secondly, what in the hell are you going to do with all the waste brine without destroying the ecosystem?

And thirdly, what in the hell would that do? You release it into the environment, where it will just evaporate, and fall back to the surface again as rain. So the next result is that it all just ends up back in the ocean anyways.

But good god, just thinking of the vast sub-ocean desert from releasing the waste brine from over a trillion gallons of sea water would be enough to poison and kill all sea life in an area measured in thousands of square miles if not tens of thousands of square miles. Not to mention a complete and utter waste of time as the water will just return to the ocean anyways.

But once areas are turned green forest seem to somehow change weather patterns so that there is more humidity in the air. This of course cannot be done in the entire Sahara Desert but a beginning can be made.

There are rumours that the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel dune buggy has been perfected but it is owned by the CIA and NSA and these organizations tend to be greatly influenced by the same people who own Big Oil.

If a perfected hydrogen fuel engine began to be used to fuel a high percentage of vehicles that are used in nations with lots of desert the exhaust from most types of hydrogen fuel engines is water vapour, so this development would tend to greatly increase the humidity in nations with lots of deserts.

I believe that President Trump now has supporters in high places in the NSA who may want to release the truth about at least one variation on this potentially amazing technology.

A judge in the Stanley Meyer case allowed one of the representatives for the accusers of Stanley Meyer allowed somebody to put a white substance into the fuel for the dune buggy and voila.... it would not perform as Stanley Meyer had proved that it would do if it was not deliberately sabotaged.

I do admit that there are options to large scale desalination of sea water to turn deserts green.

Based on the provided search results, the "water-powered dune buggy" often discussed in context with Dr. Steven Greer refers to the technology developed by Stanley Meyer.

• The Invention: Stanley Meyer claimed to have invented a "water fuel cell" that used electrolysis to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen, which then powered an internal combustion engine dune buggy.
• Controversy and Fraud: Meyer's claims were never independently verified. In 1996, an Ohio court found him guilty of "gross and egregious fraud".
• Death and Conspiracy Theories: Meyer died of an aneurysm in 1998, leading to conspiracy theories, often promoted by figures like Dr. Steven Greer, that he was poisoned to suppress the technology.
• Scientific Standing: The claim that a car can be powered solely by water in this manner defies physics, as it requires more energy to split the water molecule than can be gained from burning the resulting hydrogen.

Dr. Steven Greer has often featured these types of suppressed or alternative energy technologies in his documentaries and books, alleging that clean energy solutions are hidden from the public.

 

[Mushroom]

I believe that President Trump now has supporters in high places in the NSA who may want to release the truth about at least one variation on this potentially amazing technology.

A judge in the Stanley Meyer case allowed one of the representatives for the accusers of Stanley Meyer allowed somebody to put a white substance into the fuel for the dune buggy and voila.... it would not perform as Stanley Meyer had proved that it would do if it was not deliberately sabotaged.

Sorry, this is completely off topic conspiracy theory coprolite, and I simply can't take this anymore.