Is Obama a liar?

[Faun]

Obama doesn't respect you, Faun.

Deal with it.

Some people appreciate being talked down to, lied to, and their decisions made for them, their called Democrats.

While others are just ******* retards who think "they're" is spelled, "their."

Go figure?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Get real. Obama is no more of a dictator than any other U.S. president. He has to follow the same rules as the rest of them.

Clinton was worse than Reagan. Bush significantly worse than Clinton, and Obama far worse than Bush.

The boundaries are pushed with each new executive. Obama has utter contempt for the Constitution and flouts it on a regular basis, such as his recess appointments. Obama behaves like a King - petulant, arrogant, and unreasonable. He is constrained to some small level by the other branches, less so than Bush was. I fear that his successor will be less restrained than he.

Obama came to office with the goal of transforming the Constitutional Republic into a more authoritarian and populist state. He has succeeded. We can barely be considered a free nation at this point, with the NSA and IRS activities. We are CERTAINLY not a nation of laws. Our Attorney General is a gangster who sells illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels. Our IRS attacks the political enemies of the regime.

Yeah, Obama is more of dictator than any POTUS before him, but he is an evolutionary move from Bush, not a revolutionary one.

 

[Faun]

That would be me.
obama's intent was to have a single payer system but realized that doing so in one fell swoop had no chance of passing. So, he designed a system that had to fail.
It will fail. Hopefully, it will fail in 2015 or before so there is a Conservative government in place to fix it. God help us if it waits past the 2016 elections. If we end up with Hillary, obama gets his way.

It was not his intent for this system to fail. Evidence of that is found in the fact that he did not come up with much of the current system. Conservatives created much of it back in the 80's. Was it their intent for it to fail then? Was it Romney's intent for it to fail in MA? Also, Congressional Democrats drafted the bill and debated for most of 2009 to decide what to put in it.

If that's what your handler wants you to say, fine. We all know better.


This is what they were telling us 3 years ago:

My comments bolded.

10 Things Every American Needs to Know about the Health Care Bill:

1. Once reform is fully implemented, over 95% of Americans will have health insurance coverage, including 32 million who are currently uninsured.

Most of those 32 million choose not to be insured, are illegal residents or are covered under medicaid.

2. Health insurance companies will no longer be allowed to deny people coverage because of preexisting conditions--or to drop coverage when people become sick.

Does your auto insurance company cover you for preexisting dents?

3. Just like members of Congress, individuals and small businesses who can't afford to purchase insurance on their own will be able to pool together and choose from a variety of competing plans with lower premiums.

Lower premiums? How's THAT work out?

4. Reform will cut the federal budget deficit by $138 billion over the next ten years, and a whopping $1.2 trillion in the following ten years.

Bullshit!

5. Health care will be more affordable for families and small businesses thanks to new tax credits, subsidies, and other assistance--paid for largely by taxing insurance companies, drug companies, and the very wealthiest Americans.

More bullshit. Some will save on insurance, but the rest will foot the bill. Insurance companies are guaranteed a profit margin and any additional taxes they pay will be passed on to the consumer.

6. Seniors on Medicare will pay less for their prescription drugs because the legislation closes the "donut hole" gap in existing coverage.

Yeah, right. The horror stories are already coming out.

7. By reducing health care costs for employers, reform will create or save more than 2.5 million jobs over the next decade.

Only it's NOT reducing any costs, anywhere! One has to wonder how man bureaucrats will obamacare "create or save". Could that be where the 2.5 million number came from?

8. Medicaid will be expanded to offer health insurance coverage to an additional 16 million low-income people.

And even if they hadn't pulled a half billion from Medicaid to make the numbers work, someone has to pay for 16 million more beneficiaries.

9. Instead of losing coverage after they leave home or graduate from college, young adults will be able to remain on their families' insurance plans until age 26.

I could see COBRA for "kids" when they leave their parents' plans, but 26 and still on daddy's plan? Grow up!? Hell I had been on my own for 8 years by then. I paid my own health care when I was in college.

10. Community health centers would receive an additional $11 billion, doubling the number of patients who can be treated regardless of their insurance or ability to pay.

Someone has to pay for that! I am unwilling.

Again -- if you pay taxes, you already pay for the healthcare of others. This is nothing new.

 

[Uncensored2008]

While others are just ******* retards who think "they're" is spelled, "their."

Go figure?

Oooohhh, a spelling flame!

That shows how clever you are, porky! Now everyone respects you...

 

[RKMBrown]

It was not his intent for this system to fail. Evidence of that is found in the fact that he did not come up with much of the current system. Conservatives created much of it back in the 80's. Was it their intent for it to fail then? Was it Romney's intent for it to fail in MA? Also, Congressional Democrats drafted the bill and debated for most of 2009 to decide what to put in it.

If that's what your handler wants you to say, fine. We all know better.


This is what they were telling us 3 years ago:

My comments bolded.

10 Things Every American Needs to Know about the Health Care Bill:

1. Once reform is fully implemented, over 95% of Americans will have health insurance coverage, including 32 million who are currently uninsured.

Most of those 32 million choose not to be insured, are illegal residents or are covered under medicaid.

2. Health insurance companies will no longer be allowed to deny people coverage because of preexisting conditions--or to drop coverage when people become sick.

Does your auto insurance company cover you for preexisting dents?

3. Just like members of Congress, individuals and small businesses who can't afford to purchase insurance on their own will be able to pool together and choose from a variety of competing plans with lower premiums.

Lower premiums? How's THAT work out?

4. Reform will cut the federal budget deficit by $138 billion over the next ten years, and a whopping $1.2 trillion in the following ten years.

Bullshit!

5. Health care will be more affordable for families and small businesses thanks to new tax credits, subsidies, and other assistance--paid for largely by taxing insurance companies, drug companies, and the very wealthiest Americans.

More bullshit. Some will save on insurance, but the rest will foot the bill. Insurance companies are guaranteed a profit margin and any additional taxes they pay will be passed on to the consumer.

6. Seniors on Medicare will pay less for their prescription drugs because the legislation closes the "donut hole" gap in existing coverage.

Yeah, right. The horror stories are already coming out.

7. By reducing health care costs for employers, reform will create or save more than 2.5 million jobs over the next decade.

Only it's NOT reducing any costs, anywhere! One has to wonder how man bureaucrats will obamacare "create or save". Could that be where the 2.5 million number came from?

8. Medicaid will be expanded to offer health insurance coverage to an additional 16 million low-income people.

And even if they hadn't pulled a half billion from Medicaid to make the numbers work, someone has to pay for 16 million more beneficiaries.

9. Instead of losing coverage after they leave home or graduate from college, young adults will be able to remain on their families' insurance plans until age 26.

I could see COBRA for "kids" when they leave their parents' plans, but 26 and still on daddy's plan? Grow up!? Hell I had been on my own for 8 years by then. I paid my own health care when I was in college.

10. Community health centers would receive an additional $11 billion, doubling the number of patients who can be treated regardless of their insurance or ability to pay.

Someone has to pay for that! I am unwilling.

Again -- if you pay taxes, you already pay for the healthcare of others. This is nothing new.

Before, that tax went to means tested recipients only. OCA is not means tested welfare for people in poverty. OCA is tax payer subsidies all the way up to the 75th percentile of income earners. And cost sharing for everyone with pre-existing conditions.

 

[Unkotare]

Bullshit. ObamaCare is already in place in Massachusetts. Did it fail there?

Insurance premiums are higher in Massachusetts than almost anywhere, and they have risen at a faster pace since Romneycare was implemented. That's ONE state, with a pretty high median income level, where most people already had health insurance.

Not exactly...

Yes exactly:

Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare | Cato Institute

Review & Outlook: The RomneyCare Bill Comes Due - WSJ.com

Health Insurance Premiums Continue to Rise Under RomneyCare - Hit & Run : Reason.com

"Not only are Masachusetts' health insurance premiums higher than elsewhere in the U.S. on average, they've grown at a faster rate since the adoption of RomneyCare"

 

[Ernie S.]

A good president does what he feels is best for the nation, not what is popular.

Wow.

A good dictator maybe.

Get real. Obama is no more of a dictator than any other U.S. president. He has to follow the same rules as the rest of them.

A good president of a democratic republic doesn't lie to the nation to get legislation passed against their will and condescend to them and tell them that when they finally understand what what he has done for them they'll appreciate it.

Again ... ALL presidents lie. It's what they do. Obama is no exception.

Uhh Noooooo. He doesn't follow the same rules. It seems if someone criticizes this President's policies, he is labeled a racist.

 

[Amelia]

Get real. Obama is no more of a dictator than any other U.S. president. He has to follow the same rules as the rest of them.

Clinton was worse than Reagan. Bush significantly worse than Clinton, and Obama far worse than Bush.

The boundaries are pushed with each new executive. Obama has utter contempt for the Constitution and flouts it on a regular basis, such as his recess appointments. Obama behaves like a King - petulant, arrogant, and unreasonable. He is constrained to some small level by the other branches, less so than Bush was. I fear that his successor will be less restrained than he.

Obama came to office with the goal of transforming the Constitutional Republic into a more authoritarian and populist state. He has succeeded. We can barely be considered a free nation at this point, with the NSA and IRS activities. We are CERTAINLY not a nation of laws. Our Attorney General is a gangster who sells illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels. Our IRS attacks the political enemies of the regime.

Yeah, Obama is more of dictator than any POTUS before him, but he is an evolutionary move from Bush, not a revolutionary one.

Remember how in 2011, there was nothing Obama could do for so-called Dreamers because he couldn't change laws unilaterally. And then in 2012 suddenly he was able to rescue the Dreamers .... because he was running for reelection. lol

Yeah, I know this is a tangent, but your post gave me a chuckle and reminded me of that.

Not that Obama's opportunistic imperialism is anything to chuckle about ... but there's not much else to do.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uhh Noooooo. He doesn't follow the same rules. It seems if someone criticizes this President's policies, he is labeled a racist.

And then audited....

 

[Faun]

You haven't given any example of Obamacare not failing.

As if it's incumbent upon me to prove someone else wrong after they fail to prove themselves right.

I asked you about your statement, and yes, homey, it's for you to defend your statements.

Nowhere has Obamacare succeeded, and your statement, even if Romney care has worked is true, isn't obamacare.

ObamaCare doesn't even go into effect until next year. How does one prove something that hasn't happened yet, isn't failing.?

And other than scope, what is the substantial difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare?

 

[blackhawk]

Pre ACA passage: If you like your health plan you can keep it.

Post ACA: You will be getting a better plan.



The answer is obvious.


This is his bill so don't give me that he didn't know bs.

Wake the **** up America. Vote Republican or independent and insist that this disaster gets overturned.

And yes fake Jake I know it's the law of the land FOR NOW

The Magic eight ball says.

 

[Uncensored2008]

ObamaCare doesn't even go into effect until next year.

Yet it's an utter and complete failure.

Rather than granting coverage to the 4% without insurance, it knocked 20% WITH insurance out of the system.

Someone worried the baby in the bath wasn't getting clean enough - so Obama tossed in a hand grenade.

How does one prove something that hasn't happened yet, isn't failing.?

Dunno, but THIS is how I prove that it IS a failure:

Obama lie - The Affordable Care Act will help bring down the cost of health care.

Truth - Premiums have increased in 45 states. For the math-challenged among us, when something "increases" in price, that does not mean the costs are going down.

{14 Million Projected to Lose Current Health Insurance Under Obamacare }

14 Million Projected to Lose Current Health Insurance Under Obamacare

And other than scope, what is the substantial difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare?

Who cares?

Obama has crushed the health care of 14 million Americans - BEFORE his disaster is even in effect.

This is on the level of fuckup that Truman dropping nukes on Los Angeles rather than Nakisaki would have been....

 

[Ernie S.]

It was not his intent for this system to fail. Evidence of that is found in the fact that he did not come up with much of the current system. Conservatives created much of it back in the 80's. Was it their intent for it to fail then? Was it Romney's intent for it to fail in MA? Also, Congressional Democrats drafted the bill and debated for most of 2009 to decide what to put in it.

If that's what your handler wants you to say, fine. We all know better.


This is what they were telling us 3 years ago:

My comments bolded.

10 Things Every American Needs to Know about the Health Care Bill:

1. Once reform is fully implemented, over 95% of Americans will have health insurance coverage, including 32 million who are currently uninsured.

Most of those 32 million choose not to be insured, are illegal residents or are covered under medicaid.

2. Health insurance companies will no longer be allowed to deny people coverage because of preexisting conditions--or to drop coverage when people become sick.

Does your auto insurance company cover you for preexisting dents?

3. Just like members of Congress, individuals and small businesses who can't afford to purchase insurance on their own will be able to pool together and choose from a variety of competing plans with lower premiums.

Lower premiums? How's THAT work out?

4. Reform will cut the federal budget deficit by $138 billion over the next ten years, and a whopping $1.2 trillion in the following ten years.

Bullshit!

5. Health care will be more affordable for families and small businesses thanks to new tax credits, subsidies, and other assistance--paid for largely by taxing insurance companies, drug companies, and the very wealthiest Americans.

More bullshit. Some will save on insurance, but the rest will foot the bill. Insurance companies are guaranteed a profit margin and any additional taxes they pay will be passed on to the consumer.

6. Seniors on Medicare will pay less for their prescription drugs because the legislation closes the "donut hole" gap in existing coverage.

Yeah, right. The horror stories are already coming out.

7. By reducing health care costs for employers, reform will create or save more than 2.5 million jobs over the next decade.

Only it's NOT reducing any costs, anywhere! One has to wonder how man bureaucrats will obamacare "create or save". Could that be where the 2.5 million number came from?

8. Medicaid will be expanded to offer health insurance coverage to an additional 16 million low-income people.

And even if they hadn't pulled a half billion from Medicaid to make the numbers work, someone has to pay for 16 million more beneficiaries.

9. Instead of losing coverage after they leave home or graduate from college, young adults will be able to remain on their families' insurance plans until age 26.

I could see COBRA for "kids" when they leave their parents' plans, but 26 and still on daddy's plan? Grow up!? Hell I had been on my own for 8 years by then. I paid my own health care when I was in college.

10. Community health centers would receive an additional $11 billion, doubling the number of patients who can be treated regardless of their insurance or ability to pay.

Someone has to pay for that! I am unwilling.

Again -- if you pay taxes, you already pay for the healthcare of others. This is nothing new.

Yes I already pay taxes, and I pay too much. Now obama wants me to pay more so freeloading assholes like you won't have to pay anything. Go away!

 

[Faun]

Then show us how successful it's been.

Massachusetts poll finds high satisfaction under 'RomneyCare'

Even if you ignore the difference between State and Federal authority under our Constitution, Romneycare is not Obamacare. They are different programs. You said Obamacare has succeeded. So where has it succeeded? You're just making it up. Romneycare is also a disaster, BTW.

Now you're just making shit up ... I never said ObamaCare was successful. Please restrict the conversation to reality, if you don't mind.

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[Faun]

Again ... ALL presidents lie. It's what they do. Obama is no exception.

No, he is an exception, since ALL HE DOES are LIES. Always.

Sure.

 

[Faun]

If that's what your handler wants you to say, fine. We all know better.


This is what they were telling us 3 years ago:

My comments bolded.

10 Things Every American Needs to Know about the Health Care Bill:

1. Once reform is fully implemented, over 95% of Americans will have health insurance coverage, including 32 million who are currently uninsured.

Most of those 32 million choose not to be insured, are illegal residents or are covered under medicaid.

2. Health insurance companies will no longer be allowed to deny people coverage because of preexisting conditions--or to drop coverage when people become sick.

Does your auto insurance company cover you for preexisting dents?

3. Just like members of Congress, individuals and small businesses who can't afford to purchase insurance on their own will be able to pool together and choose from a variety of competing plans with lower premiums.

Lower premiums? How's THAT work out?

4. Reform will cut the federal budget deficit by $138 billion over the next ten years, and a whopping $1.2 trillion in the following ten years.

Bullshit!

5. Health care will be more affordable for families and small businesses thanks to new tax credits, subsidies, and other assistance--paid for largely by taxing insurance companies, drug companies, and the very wealthiest Americans.

More bullshit. Some will save on insurance, but the rest will foot the bill. Insurance companies are guaranteed a profit margin and any additional taxes they pay will be passed on to the consumer.

6. Seniors on Medicare will pay less for their prescription drugs because the legislation closes the "donut hole" gap in existing coverage.

Yeah, right. The horror stories are already coming out.

7. By reducing health care costs for employers, reform will create or save more than 2.5 million jobs over the next decade.

Only it's NOT reducing any costs, anywhere! One has to wonder how man bureaucrats will obamacare "create or save". Could that be where the 2.5 million number came from?

8. Medicaid will be expanded to offer health insurance coverage to an additional 16 million low-income people.

And even if they hadn't pulled a half billion from Medicaid to make the numbers work, someone has to pay for 16 million more beneficiaries.

9. Instead of losing coverage after they leave home or graduate from college, young adults will be able to remain on their families' insurance plans until age 26.

I could see COBRA for "kids" when they leave their parents' plans, but 26 and still on daddy's plan? Grow up!? Hell I had been on my own for 8 years by then. I paid my own health care when I was in college.

10. Community health centers would receive an additional $11 billion, doubling the number of patients who can be treated regardless of their insurance or ability to pay.

Someone has to pay for that! I am unwilling.

Again -- if you pay taxes, you already pay for the healthcare of others. This is nothing new.

Before, that tax went to means tested recipients only. OCA is not means tested welfare for people in poverty. OCA is tax payer subsidies all the way up to the 75th percentile of income earners. And cost sharing for everyone with pre-existing conditions.

Who knows why you think that matters? Before that tax went to cover the cost of healthcare. After, it still goes to cover the cost of healthcare.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As if it's incumbent upon me to prove someone else wrong after they fail to prove themselves right.

I asked you about your statement, and yes, homey, it's for you to defend your statements.

Nowhere has Obamacare succeeded, and your statement, even if Romney care has worked is true, isn't obamacare.

ObamaCare doesn't even go into effect until next year. How does one prove something that hasn't happened yet, isn't failing.?

And other than scope, what is the substantial difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare?

The difference?

Three thousand pages.

 

[Faun]

Insurance premiums are higher in Massachusetts than almost anywhere, and they have risen at a faster pace since Romneycare was implemented. That's ONE state, with a pretty high median income level, where most people already had health insurance.

Not exactly...

Yes exactly:

Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare | Cato Institute

Review & Outlook: The RomneyCare Bill Comes Due - WSJ.com

Health Insurance Premiums Continue to Rise Under RomneyCare - Hit & Run : Reason.com

"Not only are Masachusetts' health insurance premiums higher than elsewhere in the U.S. on average, they've grown at a faster rate since the adoption of RomneyCare"

I already addressed this. RomneyCare has had an insignificant impact on healthcare costs in Massachusetts. Insurance premiums were higher there than elsewhere even before RomneyCare for the simple fact that healthcare costs were/are higher there than just about every other state.

 

[Foxfyre]

Again -- if you pay taxes, you already pay for the healthcare of others. This is nothing new.

Before, that tax went to means tested recipients only. OCA is not means tested welfare for people in poverty. OCA is tax payer subsidies all the way up to the 75th percentile of income earners. And cost sharing for everyone with pre-existing conditions.

Who knows why you think that matters? Before that tax went to cover the cost of healthcare. After, it still goes to cover the cost of healthcare.

Tell that to the folks who were getting their insurance through a company group plan or buying it privately and now will be paying hundreds more a month, some thousands more each year. Rand Paul was just saying that one state getting high marks for new enrollments is Kentucky, but most of those signing up are getting their insurance free courtesy of the rest of us.

I don't mind paying for my healthcare even though it means giving up a lot of things I would very much enjoy having. But I have a tough time being happy about having to pay 38% more for my own and my husband's healthcare while having less coverage and higher copays and deductibles, AND be expected to pay for most of the other people getting healthcare too.