Is Mark Kelly a traitor?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ukraine is not our ally. We have a common enemy which is Putin’s Russia. As for minerals, after giving Ukraine hundreds of billions, shouldn’t we get something in return? Even as poor as the infant USA was after the revolution, it sent a massive food and grain convoy to France to help feed the French people during a bad harvest.

Ukraine has been seen and treated as an ally since the Soviet Union collapsed. The US has had successive administrations every one of which has courted Ukraine and encouraged it to join NATO. So you can't really blame a country for being a loyal ally for decades and then suddenly not being an ally simply because the latest administration has abandoned a former ally in the middle of a war against a long standing US enemy state.

The problem here is the United States, it is abandoning it's allies and blaming those allies, utterly dumb like everything maga.

The United States, as a nation, a people has shown that it cannot be trusted, that it elects rogue corrupt players and so no country now trusts us and that'll hurt the US going forward in the sense that it's global influence will fade away and China will replace it.

This is happening now and maga is the cause, they wanted this, this is what they voted for, reduced influence over the world, a sidelined United State's that will become a bit player, an also ran in global affairs while the corrupt neo-fascists - sorry, populists - cream off the people, transferring trillions of public money into private hands - long live the king...

 

[westwall]

Musk earlier Monday in a tweet directed at Democratic Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly wrote, “You are a traitor,” after the senator posted about a visit he made to Ukraine over the weekend.

“Everyone wants this war to end, but any agreement has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway to Putin,” Kelly had written, referring to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who ordered his nation’s invasion of Ukraine three years ago.

Kelly, who is a former U.S. Navy pilot and NASA astronaut, fired back at Musk’s attack.

“Traitor?” Kelly wrote. “Elon, if you don’t understand that defending freedom is a basic tenet of what makes America great and keeps us safe, maybe you should leave it to those of us who do.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/musk-tesla-doge-stock-market.html

Kelly just came back from a trip to Ukraine. He's made a number of comments based on what he saw and Ukrainians he spoke to.

Kelly said in his initial post Sunday that his trip over the weekend to the war-torn country, where he met with military members, nurses and others, had reaffirmed his commitment to not give up on the Ukrainian people. He added that any peace deal with Russia “has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway” to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...mark-kelly-traitor-support-ukraine-rcna195738

Maybe Elon means Kelly is a traitor to the cause of Russia? Cuz Kelly's credentials as a patriot to this country are beyond reproach.

Yes, Kelley is owned by the chinese.

 

[CowboyTed]

What kind of "ally" shows no appreciation of the incredible sacrifice America has made for them?

Zelensky has thanked US 33 times.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-thankful-us-fact-check/index.html

At which point has US said it is our duty because we signed the Budapest Memorandum?

Defending Ukraine is part of a deal, not a charity mission.

What kind of "ally" seeks to deny American people access to their minerals after such a tremendous sacrifice as we made for them? That is not the act of friendship.

Seriously...
You sound like a Mafia boss...
I give you protection,.....

Again there was a deal to sign but Trump wasn't giving any security guarentees...
Trump has a history of trying to wriggle out of deals... Zelensky pointed out that Putin, doesn't keep his word...
Trump got upset that Zelensky wasn't allowing any ambiguity on the arrangement.

What kind of "ally" doesn't even wear a suit to visit the President?

How many times must this be posted...

Churchill was at war too... It is common for war time leaders to not wear suits...

Also:

The suit thing is just stupid... It was embarrassing for the White House, Trump knew it... He knoew it was a pathetic question..

 

[Zincwarrior]

If Kelly is siding with Ukraine over the US, isn't that disloyal to America in your mind?

He is not siding with Ukraine over the US. He is siding with Ukraine over Russia.

President Trump is our nation's leader, elected to lead all of us.

Disagreeing with Our Leader is not treason.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Musk earlier Monday in a tweet directed at Democratic Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly wrote, “You are a traitor,” after the senator posted about a visit he made to Ukraine over the weekend.

“Everyone wants this war to end, but any agreement has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway to Putin,” Kelly had written, referring to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who ordered his nation’s invasion of Ukraine three years ago.

Kelly, who is a former U.S. Navy pilot and NASA astronaut, fired back at Musk’s attack.

“Traitor?” Kelly wrote. “Elon, if you don’t understand that defending freedom is a basic tenet of what makes America great and keeps us safe, maybe you should leave it to those of us who do.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/musk-tesla-doge-stock-market.html

Kelly just came back from a trip to Ukraine. He's made a number of comments based on what he saw and Ukrainians he spoke to.

Kelly said in his initial post Sunday that his trip over the weekend to the war-torn country, where he met with military members, nurses and others, had reaffirmed his commitment to not give up on the Ukrainian people. He added that any peace deal with Russia “has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway” to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...mark-kelly-traitor-support-ukraine-rcna195738

Maybe Elon means Kelly is a traitor to the cause of Russia? Cuz Kelly's credentials as a patriot to this country are beyond reproach.

Kelly, an American hero, has his eye on Musk.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, Kelley is owned by the chinese.

 

[sartre play]

If Kelly is siding with Ukraine over the US, isn't that disloyal to America in your mind?

President Trump is our nation's leader, elected to lead all of us.

FREEDOM is our name. Running our own country, that's how we became the united states.

 

[CowboyTed]

Ukraine is not our ally. We have a common enemy which is Putin’s Russia.

Ukraine has been an ally since the signing of the Budapest Memorandum...

Russia, the guys who put $200k on US soldiers heads in Afghan, attacked Ukraine.

US was bound by Budapest Memorandum first.

As for minerals, after giving Ukraine hundreds of billions, shouldn’t we get something in return?

US gave $100bn for the war and want $500bn in return for something they had an agreement to do for free...
Sounds like an extortion racket.

Even as poor as the infant USA was after the revolution, it sent a massive food and grain convoy to France to help feed the French people during a bad harvest.

Has US got a bad harvest?

You know the French spent huge money in the American Revolution...

The American Revolutionary War inflicted great financial costs on all of the combatants, including the United States, France, Spain and the Kingdom of Great Britain. France and Great Britain spent 1.3 billion livres and 250 million pounds, respectively. The United States spent $400 million in wages for its troops.
France actually spent the most and it wasn't a loan...
So being pretty hypocritical right now...

 

[Failzero]

MK is a pro Union Closet Collectivist

 

[westwall]

MK is a pro Union Closet Collectivist

He is also heavily "invested" in Chinese companies.

 

[Zincwarrior]

He is also heavily "invested" in Chinese companies.

So is MUsk

 

[CowboyTed]

MK is a pro Union Closet Collectivist

Is that a good thing?

Unions have risen the standards of working people and created the middle class..

Collectivist: This means he believes we work better together than on our own.

Now since he is a 'Closet' Collectivist, he is not forcing people to work together just encouraging it... So was it individuals that went to the moon, won World Wars, even win a SuperBowl...
Actually isn't America really just a Collective where we try and look out for each other....

 

[westwall]

So is MUsk

Nope. Musk has companies based in China. Kelley is invested in Chinese companies.

 

[Failzero]

Is that a good thing?

Unions have risen the standards of working people and created the middle class..

Collectivist: This means he believes we work better together than on our own.

Now since he is a 'Closet' Collectivist, he is not forcing people to work together just encouraging it... So was it individuals that went to the moon, won World Wars, even win a SuperBowl...
Actually isn't America really just a Collective where we try and look out for each other....

He has not gone full Marxist ( yet)

 

[CowboyTed]

So is MUsk

 

[Zincwarrior]

Nope. Musk has companies based in China. Kelley is invested in Chinese companies.

Same difference.

 

[Failzero]

Same difference.

MK is a Gungrabber

 

[westwall]

Same difference.

No, huge difference. If you knew anything about the subject you would understand.

 

[BluesLegend]

Why is a US Senator with no role on any foreign affairs committees visiting Ukraine? It's very suspicious.

(cough) grandstanding (cough)

 

[Failzero]

(cough) grandstanding (cough)

They selectively seek Moderate votes