Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

[Shusha]

Can Israel step in? Should Israel step in?

Israel should step out.

Step out of all occupied territory.

Israel should step in.

Step into the 21st century and join the rest of the international community!

Um. You DO realize that it is Gaza attempting to breach Israel's border, right? Not the other way around.

Yes I do...

Next

So, explain why Israel should REDUCE its defenses against a neighboring political entity (quasi-state) while the government of that entity calls for the invasion of her sovereign territory and harm to her civilians?

 

[Issa]

What a ******* imperialist blood thirsty mentality. You represent the filth of humanity ....you are not happy with all the damage has been doing to the defenseless Palestinians you want more blood you fucktard ? European settlers style or nazi style ?

Your reading comprehension lacks. The "mentality" with which I approached this thread was that there is a HUMANITARIAN crisis in Gaza and that the government of Gaza has not been able to address it. Given those facts, my question was whether or not Israel should use its not inconsiderable resources to alleviate the suffering EVEN THOUGH it means temporarily and somewhat limiting Gaza's self-determination. There is nothing imperialist, blood thirsty, filthy or Nazi-style about such a notion.






PS, Coyote , also in comparison to this gem.

Israel everything it touches it makes things worse for the Palestinians. They just killed 50 some with cold blood. Not long ago they were bombarding them with F16s. Israel is acting like nazi Germany no difference at all.

 

[Shusha]

Israel everything it touches it makes things worse for the Palestinians. They just killed 50 some with cold blood. Not long ago they were bombarding them with F16s. Israel is acting like nazi Germany no difference at all.

Are you suggesting, then, that Israel should withdraw its humanitarian aid to Gaza? So as not to make it worse for the Palestinians?

 

[Humanity]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Humanity, et al,

These are disputes that need to evolve the law.

Israel has no footprint in the Gaza Strip

Israel does not need a "footprint" in Gaza to occupy it!

(COMMENT)

International Law in the 20th Century:

• Article 42 Harue Regulation of 1907:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
​

In terms of the Gaza Strip, questions:

• What Territory of the Gaza Strip is considered under the authority of the Israeli Defense Force?
• What Territory of Gaza is considered under the authority of the Arab Palestinians?​

Israel, like so many other countries, reserves the right to control its borders and immigration

Reserves the right to control its borders and Gaza.

Nice!

(COMMENT)

The "border" and a "Line of Control" (LoC) are considered as one and the same for the purposes of this discussion.

Without regard to the whatever, you might personally think, most borders of the world are just like the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Each sovereignty controls what can enter (and it need be, what exit).

Are you suggesting that Israel, or any of the Arab States within the Arab League, is prohibited from controlling the entry/exit of its borders?

No one is saying that Gazans cannot control borders... BUT, Israel, like all the 22 countries of the Arab League, have the right to control its territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh please....

You are smarter than this!

Of all the people to question anyone else’s intelligence!

Funny that dummy... No question asked, quite the opposite!

 

[Humanity]

Can Israel step in? Should Israel step in?

Israel should step out.

Step out of all occupied territory.

Israel should step in.

Step into the 21st century and join the rest of the international community!

Um. You DO realize that it is Gaza attempting to breach Israel's border, right? Not the other way around.

Yes I do...

Next

So, explain why Israel should REDUCE its defenses against a neighboring political entity (quasi-state) while the government of that entity calls for the invasion of her sovereign territory and harm to her civilians?

Did I say that?

I don't think I did. That's you getting all defensive again Shusha!

Funny how zionists get all defensive and their knickers in a twist when they know that Israel is in the wrong!

 

[Indeependent]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Humanity, et al,

These are disputes that need to evolve the law.

Israel has no footprint in the Gaza Strip

Israel does not need a "footprint" in Gaza to occupy it!

(COMMENT)

International Law in the 20th Century:

• Article 42 Harue Regulation of 1907:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
​

In terms of the Gaza Strip, questions:

• What Territory of the Gaza Strip is considered under the authority of the Israeli Defense Force?
• What Territory of Gaza is considered under the authority of the Arab Palestinians?​

Israel, like so many other countries, reserves the right to control its borders and immigration

Reserves the right to control its borders and Gaza.

Nice!

(COMMENT)

The "border" and a "Line of Control" (LoC) are considered as one and the same for the purposes of this discussion.

Without regard to the whatever, you might personally think, most borders of the world are just like the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Each sovereignty controls what can enter (and it need be, what exit).

Are you suggesting that Israel, or any of the Arab States within the Arab League, is prohibited from controlling the entry/exit of its borders?

No one is saying that Gazans cannot control borders... BUT, Israel, like all the 22 countries of the Arab League, have the right to control its territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh please....

You are smarter than this!

Of all the people to question anyone else’s intelligence!

Funny that dummy... No question asked, quite the opposite!

You are a bleeding heart moron.

 

[Humanity]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Humanity, et al,

These are disputes that need to evolve the law.

Israel does not need a "footprint" in Gaza to occupy it!

(COMMENT)

International Law in the 20th Century:

• Article 42 Harue Regulation of 1907:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
​

In terms of the Gaza Strip, questions:

• What Territory of the Gaza Strip is considered under the authority of the Israeli Defense Force?
• What Territory of Gaza is considered under the authority of the Arab Palestinians?​

Reserves the right to control its borders and Gaza.

Nice!

(COMMENT)

The "border" and a "Line of Control" (LoC) are considered as one and the same for the purposes of this discussion.

Without regard to the whatever, you might personally think, most borders of the world are just like the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Each sovereignty controls what can enter (and it need be, what exit).

Are you suggesting that Israel, or any of the Arab States within the Arab League, is prohibited from controlling the entry/exit of its borders?

No one is saying that Gazans cannot control borders... BUT, Israel, like all the 22 countries of the Arab League, have the right to control its territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh please....

You are smarter than this!

Of all the people to question anyone else’s intelligence!

Funny that dummy... No question asked, quite the opposite!

You are a bleeding heart moron.

Ah bless you...

Learn to read moron!

 

[Indeependent]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Humanity, et al,

These are disputes that need to evolve the law.

(COMMENT)

International Law in the 20th Century:

• Article 42 Harue Regulation of 1907:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
​

In terms of the Gaza Strip, questions:

• What Territory of the Gaza Strip is considered under the authority of the Israeli Defense Force?
• What Territory of Gaza is considered under the authority of the Arab Palestinians?​

(COMMENT)

The "border" and a "Line of Control" (LoC) are considered as one and the same for the purposes of this discussion.

Without regard to the whatever, you might personally think, most borders of the world are just like the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Each sovereignty controls what can enter (and it need be, what exit).

Are you suggesting that Israel, or any of the Arab States within the Arab League, is prohibited from controlling the entry/exit of its borders?

No one is saying that Gazans cannot control borders... BUT, Israel, like all the 22 countries of the Arab League, have the right to control its territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh please....

You are smarter than this!

Of all the people to question anyone else’s intelligence!

Funny that dummy... No question asked, quite the opposite!

You are a bleeding heart moron.

Ah bless you...

Learn to read moron!

You’re not even an ameoba compared to RoccoR.

 

[Humanity]

Oh please....

You are smarter than this!

Of all the people to question anyone else’s intelligence!

Funny that dummy... No question asked, quite the opposite!

You are a bleeding heart moron.

Ah bless you...

Learn to read moron!

You’re not even an ameoba compared to RoccoR.

You have a serious comprehension issue you dumb ****!

Get some education and then come back when you can actually read ******* English!

Dear oh dear... Team Israel just recruited an illiterate retard!

 

[Shusha]

Did I say that?

I don't think I did.

You will have to clarify what you mean by "step out of all occupied territory" as it relates to Gaza.

I had presumed you meant to remove the sea blockade. And to make the border more open. Permit use of air space and the building of an airport. These are a reduction in defenses for Israel. And this "March of Return" as has been presented by Gaza and Hamas is NOT a request to have a better economic relationship with Israel. Israel's security can't be ignored here.

 

[Humanity]

Did I say that?

I don't think I did.

You will have to clarify what you mean by "step out of all occupied territory" as it relates to Gaza.

I had presumed you meant to remove the sea blockade. And to make the border more open. Permit use of air space and the building of an airport. These are a reduction in defenses for Israel. And this "March of Return" as has been presented by Gaza and Hamas is NOT a request to have a better economic relationship with Israel. Israel's security can't be ignored here.

I don't think it really needs much clarification, do you?

Israel to end all occupation, period.

Israel can defend itself from within it's own borders. What has happened over the past days, weeks, is simply not acceptable, defense or otherwise.

Every country around the world condemns Israels heavy handedness in this latest atrocity.

You either live in a rose-tinted zionist bubble or simply choose to ignore the international condemnation of Israel, which is it?

 

[Issa]

Israel everything it touches it makes things worse for the Palestinians. They just killed 50 some with cold blood. Not long ago they were bombarding them with F16s. Israel is acting like nazi Germany no difference at all.

Are you suggesting, then, that Israel should withdraw its humanitarian aid to Gaza? So as not to make it worse for the Palestinians?

I'm suggesting they lift the blockade and let world help the Gazans.

 

[Shusha]

I don't think it really needs much clarification, do you?

Israel to end all occupation, period.

Obviously, I think it does or I wouldn't have asked. Its a simple question -- give it a go.

With respect to Gaza, by what measurement will we know the occupation is over? List all the things that Israel must do to end the occupation. Then ask which of those specifically relate to security concerns for Israel. Then answer my original question of why Israel should reduce her defenses against an obviously hostile government.

See, "end the occupation" is a nice, glib answer to solving the conflict. And it neatly places all the responsibility on Israel and none on Gaza, including removing the necessity for Gaza and her government to cease the violence. But everyone avoids a deeper discussion of what "end the occupation" means in concrete, practical terms.

Some suggestions to get you going:

importation of weapons
importation of secondary use items which can be turned into weapons
military response to aggression
ability to make a military response inside Gaza
building an airport and permitting use of air space
removal of sea blockade
free travel of all nationals of Gaza into Israel
continuing provision of education, medical care to Gazan nationals
continuing provision of fuel, electricity, etc
an economic trade agreement
an entirely open border
return for Gazan nationals into Israel to places of birth or descendants to place of parents/grandparents birth


What does Israel have to do to "end the occupation"

 

[Sixties Fan]

Did I say that?

I don't think I did.

You will have to clarify what you mean by "step out of all occupied territory" as it relates to Gaza.

I had presumed you meant to remove the sea blockade. And to make the border more open. Permit use of air space and the building of an airport. These are a reduction in defenses for Israel. And this "March of Return" as has been presented by Gaza and Hamas is NOT a request to have a better economic relationship with Israel. Israel's security can't be ignored here.

I don't think it really needs much clarification, do you?

Israel to end all occupation, period.

Israel can defend itself from within it's own borders. What has happened over the past days, weeks, is simply not acceptable, defense or otherwise.

Every country around the world condemns Israels heavy handedness in this latest atrocity.

You either live in a rose-tinted zionist bubble or simply choose to ignore the international condemnation of Israel, which is it?

1) Israel is not occupying any land which is not hers. Some in Judea and Samaria is disputed, to be resolved under negotiations.

2) Israel is defending itself within its borders with Gaza.

3) Do not exaggerate about "all countries". It is simply not true.

4) "International condemnation" comes from Christians and Muslim countries which hate Jews and want to see Israel destroyed.


Would you listen to a company which was out to take your house and said you owed them for it, and wanted the land to turn it into a parking lot or would you fight for it?

 

[Shusha]

Israel can defend itself from within it's own borders. What has happened over the past days, weeks, is simply not acceptable, defense or otherwise.

Every country around the world condemns Israels heavy handedness in this latest atrocity.

Well, no. Several have placed the responsibility, correctly, on Gaza and Hamas.

So, by defend itself do you mean lethal force or riot control methods? Are you saying that Israel should be permitted only to make any type of response if someone crosses the border? In other words, that Israel is permitted to defend her territory but not her border.

What about people approaching the border with wire cutters, guns, IEDs, fire and pipe bombs. Is Israel permitted to respond to any of those things? Or only if they cross into Israeli territory?

If they cross into Israeli territory, is Israel permitted to respond? If so, how so?

See, the atrocity is Gaza attempting to breach Israel's border. Using violent methods. While calling for Jews to burn. Waving Nazi symbols. And bringing their children with them.

 

[Humanity]

Obviously, I think it does or I wouldn't have asked. Its a simple question -- give it a go.

I did!

Don't tell me you are catching the same disease as indeependent! Must be some kind of 'zionist flu' or something!

 

[Billo_Really]

Q. Are You whining because not all of Your Jihadis got their wedding ceremonies?

Targeting wedding party's is more proof Israel doesn't want peace.

 

[Indeependent]

Did I say that?

I don't think I did.

You will have to clarify what you mean by "step out of all occupied territory" as it relates to Gaza.

I had presumed you meant to remove the sea blockade. And to make the border more open. Permit use of air space and the building of an airport. These are a reduction in defenses for Israel. And this "March of Return" as has been presented by Gaza and Hamas is NOT a request to have a better economic relationship with Israel. Israel's security can't be ignored here.

I don't think it really needs much clarification, do you?

Israel to end all occupation, period.

Israel can defend itself from within it's own borders. What has happened over the past days, weeks, is simply not acceptable, defense or otherwise.

Every country around the world condemns Israels heavy handedness in this latest atrocity.

You either live in a rose-tinted zionist bubble or simply choose to ignore the international condemnation of Israel, which is it?

So I guess Syria should leave Lebanon, Iran should leave Syria, Saudi Arabia should leave Yemen, Russia should leave Syria, Brazil should leave their surrounding countries, India should leave Pakistan, Pakistan should leave India, etc...
And yet the UN doesn’t seem to give a shit about all the non-Jews murdering each other.

 

[Humanity]

1) Israel is not occupying any land which is not hers. Some in Judea and Samaria is disputed, to be resolved under negotiations.

Golan Heights to name but one.

2) Israel is defending itself within its borders with Gaza.

Wrong. Bombing Gaza is not within Israel's "borders"

3) Do not exaggerate about "all countries". It is simply not true.

Oh, yes, sorry, virtually every developed country in the world has condemned Israels actions over the past weeks. But hey, nothing new there!

4) "International condemnation" comes from Christians and Muslim countries which hate Jews and want to see Israel destroyed.

You are ******* kidding right?

Which non Christian and Muslim countries are backing Israel?

 

[Indeependent]

Obviously, I think it does or I wouldn't have asked. Its a simple question -- give it a go.

I did!

Don't tell me you are catching the same disease as indeependent! Must be some kind of 'zionist flu' or something!

It’s called survival.