Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

[DOTR]

Is it possible for Israel to offer some carrots here? In the form of clean water, improved medical care, economic trade?

No. That is like buying a purse for a spouse with two black eyes. You are dealing with people (Muslims) who speak about the Crusades like last week's football match.

Part of the lie told to them by western liberals. The Muslims started the crusades and lost. Still pissed about it and trying to restart them. Only now the west is being attacked from within and not so able to defend itself.

Yes they DID start the crusades.

Thank God for Charles Martel. Muslims had raped, pillaged, slaughtered and conquered across North Africa, the mid east, southern Europe and had made their way deep into France and were on the verge of wiping out Christianity. Until they ran into "The Hammer" Martel.
And the long push back started leaving western marxists and liberals crying until this day. Centuries later the Christian monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella reconquered Spain in 1492 and it wasn't until 1683 that the Christian King John III defeated the last of them at Vienna.
The Muslims slunk off after that ass kicking and hunkered down to wait on their next best chance...Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[dannyboys]

Sixty years ago I was watching desperate pleas to send money to desperate starving people in Africa. Yesterday I saw the exact same type add.
Same with the Arab/Jew centuries old war.
Nothing ever changes except the players.

 

[rylah]

We're pretty much at the forefront of the 21st century.

"forefront"?

Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!

"Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!"

Wonder what it means regarding your Jihadi heroes in Gaza?

 

[rylah]

I'm not sure suicidal maniacs value life...

Israel doesn't.

Q. Are You whining because not all of Your Jihadis got their wedding ceremonies?

 

[Shusha]

Can Israel step in? Should Israel step in?

Israel should step out.

Step out of all occupied territory.

Israel should step in.

Step into the 21st century and join the rest of the international community!

Um. You DO realize that it is Gaza attempting to breach Israel's border, right? Not the other way around.

 

[montelatici]

Gazans are trying to go home.

 

[DrLove]

No - It is time for Bibi to stop acting like an entitled Barbarian

 

[Sixties Fan]

No - It is time for Bibi to stop acting like an entitled Barbarian

You are absolutely correct.

The government of Israel must absolutely stop all the trucks which daily go into Gaza to help the population, even though most of it ends up in Hamas' hands.

Also:

Stop allowing Arabs into Israel for any medical issues, jobs, education.

Enough.

Let Gaza build its hospitals and Universities and jobs.

Enough is enough, of the Millions from the US, EU, Qatar, Iran, etc.

The Palestinians say ENOUGH, let us give them what they want.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is what the Palestinian Leaders in Gaza want.
No more help from the world.

Israel reopens Gaza crossing, but Palestinians turn back some trucks

 

[DrLove]

No - It is time for Bibi to stop acting like an entitled Barbarian

You are absolutely correct.

The government of Israel must absolutely stop all the trucks which daily go into Gaza to help the population, even though most of it ends up in Hamas' hands.

Also:

Stop allowing Arabs into Israel for any medical issues, jobs, education.

Enough.

Let Gaza build its hospitals and Universities and jobs.

Enough is enough, of the Millions from the US, EU, Qatar, Iran, etc.

The Palestinians say ENOUGH, let us give them what they want.

Good idea - As if Israel has ever done anything good for Gaza?

P-L-E-A-S-E

 

[Shusha]

That is another thing that will need to be changed.

Muslim mentality towards the Jews in general.

And vice versa.

Sure thing.

Jews have kept Muslims under oppression and as dhimmies for 1300 years, attacking them, stealing from them, murdering them, so on and so forth.

Jews invaded Arab Muslims or Christian lands for the past 1400 years.

Jews expelled Arab Muslims and Christians from their homes for
the past 1400 years.


It would truly help if people would learn what Islam is. What Islam thinks. And what Islam wants.


Who is up for it?

Look at the attitudes of many here towards Muslims, and look at Israeli public opinion polls on Palestinians. it needs to work both ways, likewise if you want to understand Islam you should not depend on anti Islam sources. I do not go to Stormfront if I want to learn about Jews.

We do not have an attitude about Muslims.

Islam is self explanatory:

Submit or die.

Jews spent 1300 years under Islamic control. They know very well what groups of Muslims like the ones in Gaza want from Jews:

"Drop dead".

It has never been the same about Jews towards the Muslims, whoever they may be, which over a Million Muslims living in Israel, and Zero living in most Muslim countries goes to show.

If Jews/Israel felt the same way as the other side does, there would be ZERO food, medicine, etc going into Gaza. Zero.

Because that is exactly what Hamas, Jordan and others would have done. Actually tried to do during the war in 1948 and did between 1920 and 1948.

Israel allows all religions to go to the Temple Mount. The Muslims only allowed some Muslims to go to the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967.

Facts are important. They do not change.


There is no way to compare what Muslims have done and continue to do in order to take away Israel from the Jews, and all that Israel has done to make Muslim's lives better.

Who in their right mind allows the enemy into their country for jobs, health care and education?

Israel does.

There is no going into Gaza and Areas A and B for Jews. They get killed at first site.

Muslims get jobs, etc in Israel.

Jews get kidnappeed, murdered in Gaza and Areas A and B, if they ever enter by mistake.


Enough of this endless attempt at comparison between Muslims and Jews.

This an example of exactly what I mean, stopping Hate is a two way street. It means confronting the distortions, false memes and mischarecterizations of the other.

Arab Israeli’s suffer discrimination when it comes to getting jobs in Israel by the way.

Coyote, would you please clarify what you see as distortions, false memes and mischaracterizations in this post? In particular, please point out what you see as capital H Hate.

Compared to, say something like this: Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Humanity, et al,

These are disputes that need to evolve the law.

Israel has no footprint in the Gaza Strip

Israel does not need a "footprint" in Gaza to occupy it!

(COMMENT)

International Law in the 20th Century:

• Article 42 Harue Regulation of 1907:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
​

In terms of the Gaza Strip, questions:

• What Territory of the Gaza Strip is considered under the authority of the Israeli Defense Force?
• What Territory of Gaza is considered under the authority of the Arab Palestinians?​

Israel, like so many other countries, reserves the right to control its borders and immigration

Reserves the right to control its borders and Gaza.

Nice!

(COMMENT)

The "border" and a "Line of Control" (LoC) are considered as one and the same for the purposes of this discussion.

Without regard to the whatever, you might personally think, most borders of the world are just like the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Each sovereignty controls what can enter (and it need be, what exit).

Are you suggesting that Israel, or any of the Arab States within the Arab League, is prohibited from controlling the entry/exit of its borders?

No one is saying that Gazans cannot control borders... BUT, Israel, like all the 22 countries of the Arab League, have the right to control its territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

No - It is time for Bibi to stop acting like an entitled Barbarian

You are absolutely correct.

The government of Israel must absolutely stop all the trucks which daily go into Gaza to help the population, even though most of it ends up in Hamas' hands.

Also:

Stop allowing Arabs into Israel for any medical issues, jobs, education.

Enough.

Let Gaza build its hospitals and Universities and jobs.

Enough is enough, of the Millions from the US, EU, Qatar, Iran, etc.

The Palestinians say ENOUGH, let us give them what they want.

Good idea - As if Israel has ever done anything good for Gaza?

P-L-E-A-S-E

It is a war crime to hide ammunitions or fire rockets from civilian cities, or around civilians.

Gaza is not a country and they do not follow this rule, so they hide in hospitals, schools, Mosques, civilian homes, etc.
They fire rockets into Israel from amongst civilian homes, even near hotels as witnessed by the International Press.

In war, it is absolutely admissible to hit anywhere the enemy has decided to turn into a military target.

That is where the result, the photo, comes from.

Hamas hides amongst the civilians, Israel warns the civilians to leave, and ONLY THEN it hits the targets set up by Hamas and the other terror groups in Gaza.

Go talk to your friends about this nasty habit of using civilian areas and civilians when at war against Israel.

 

[Humanity]

Can Israel step in? Should Israel step in?

Israel should step out.

Step out of all occupied territory.

Israel should step in.

Step into the 21st century and join the rest of the international community!

Um. You DO realize that it is Gaza attempting to breach Israel's border, right? Not the other way around.

Yes I do...

Next

 

[Humanity]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Humanity, et al,

These are disputes that need to evolve the law.

Israel has no footprint in the Gaza Strip

Israel does not need a "footprint" in Gaza to occupy it!

(COMMENT)

International Law in the 20th Century:

• Article 42 Harue Regulation of 1907:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
​

In terms of the Gaza Strip, questions:

• What Territory of the Gaza Strip is considered under the authority of the Israeli Defense Force?
• What Territory of Gaza is considered under the authority of the Arab Palestinians?​

Israel, like so many other countries, reserves the right to control its borders and immigration

Reserves the right to control its borders and Gaza.

Nice!

(COMMENT)

The "border" and a "Line of Control" (LoC) are considered as one and the same for the purposes of this discussion.

Without regard to the whatever, you might personally think, most borders of the world are just like the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Each sovereignty controls what can enter (and it need be, what exit).

Are you suggesting that Israel, or any of the Arab States within the Arab League, is prohibited from controlling the entry/exit of its borders?

No one is saying that Gazans cannot control borders... BUT, Israel, like all the 22 countries of the Arab League, have the right to control its territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh please....

You are smarter than this!

 

[Indeependent]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Humanity, et al,

These are disputes that need to evolve the law.

Israel has no footprint in the Gaza Strip

Israel does not need a "footprint" in Gaza to occupy it!

(COMMENT)

International Law in the 20th Century:

• Article 42 Harue Regulation of 1907:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
​

In terms of the Gaza Strip, questions:

• What Territory of the Gaza Strip is considered under the authority of the Israeli Defense Force?
• What Territory of Gaza is considered under the authority of the Arab Palestinians?​

Israel, like so many other countries, reserves the right to control its borders and immigration

Reserves the right to control its borders and Gaza.

Nice!

(COMMENT)

The "border" and a "Line of Control" (LoC) are considered as one and the same for the purposes of this discussion.

Without regard to the whatever, you might personally think, most borders of the world are just like the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Each sovereignty controls what can enter (and it need be, what exit).

Are you suggesting that Israel, or any of the Arab States within the Arab League, is prohibited from controlling the entry/exit of its borders?

No one is saying that Gazans cannot control borders... BUT, Israel, like all the 22 countries of the Arab League, have the right to control its territorial integrity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh please....

You are smarter than this!

Of all the people to question anyone else’s intelligence!

 

[Shusha]

What a ******* imperialist blood thirsty mentality. You represent the filth of humanity ....you are not happy with all the damage has been doing to the defenseless Palestinians you want more blood you fucktard ? European settlers style or nazi style ?

Your reading comprehension lacks. The "mentality" with which I approached this thread was that there is a HUMANITARIAN crisis in Gaza and that the government of Gaza has not been able to address it. Given those facts, my question was whether or not Israel should use its not inconsiderable resources to alleviate the suffering EVEN THOUGH it means temporarily and somewhat limiting Gaza's self-determination. There is nothing imperialist, blood thirsty, filthy or Nazi-style about such a notion.






PS, Coyote , also in comparison to this gem.

 

[DrLove]

Gaza is not a country and they do not follow this rule, so they hide in hospitals, schools, Mosques, civilian homes, etc.
They fire rockets into Israel from amongst civilian homes, even near hotels as witnessed by the International Press.

In war, it is absolutely admissible to hit anywhere the enemy has decided to turn into a military target.

That is where the result, the photo, comes from.

Hamas hides amongst the civilians, Israel warns the civilians to leave, and ONLY THEN it hits the targets set up by Hamas and the other terror groups in Gaza.

Go talk to your friends about this nasty habit of using civilian areas and civilians when at war against Israel.

Civilized nations do not bomb churches, schools and hospitals regardless of whether they believe Hamas members are hiding in the basement.

War Crimes and Corruption - Buh Bye Bibi!

Netanyahu Peril Grows, as Trusted Aide Agrees to Testify

 

[Indeependent]

Gaza is not a country and they do not follow this rule, so they hide in hospitals, schools, Mosques, civilian homes, etc.
They fire rockets into Israel from amongst civilian homes, even near hotels as witnessed by the International Press.

In war, it is absolutely admissible to hit anywhere the enemy has decided to turn into a military target.

That is where the result, the photo, comes from.

Hamas hides amongst the civilians, Israel warns the civilians to leave, and ONLY THEN it hits the targets set up by Hamas and the other terror groups in Gaza.

Go talk to your friends about this nasty habit of using civilian areas and civilians when at war against Israel.

Civilized nations do not bomb churches, schools and hospitals regardless of whether they believe Hamas members are hiding in the basement.

War Crimes and Corruption - Buh Bye Bibi!

Netanyahu Peril Grows, as Trusted Aide Agrees to Testify

How about we put you in the line of fire when it’s happening?
We know Liberals don’t care when Hamas is firing missiles at Jewish children.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Gaza is not a country and they do not follow this rule, so they hide in hospitals, schools, Mosques, civilian homes, etc.
They fire rockets into Israel from amongst civilian homes, even near hotels as witnessed by the International Press.

In war, it is absolutely admissible to hit anywhere the enemy has decided to turn into a military target.

That is where the result, the photo, comes from.

Hamas hides amongst the civilians, Israel warns the civilians to leave, and ONLY THEN it hits the targets set up by Hamas and the other terror groups in Gaza.

Go talk to your friends about this nasty habit of using civilian areas and civilians when at war against Israel.

Civilized nations do not bomb churches, schools and hospitals regardless of whether they believe Hamas members are hiding in the basement.

War Crimes and Corruption - Buh Bye Bibi!

Netanyahu Peril Grows, as Trusted Aide Agrees to Testify

You must have missed must happened during WWI, and actually what is happening in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc.

If the enemy is using any place to hide, it becomes a military target.
Those are the rules of law, you like them or not.

And, by all means, spend some time gloating about the PM going to jail or prison. Have some ice cream, popcorn, watch a movie, watch many movies, very long ones.

You most unfortunately cannot differentiate between an investigation and an actual conviction.