Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

[Shusha]

How can Israel work towards it, when the Leaders in Gaza and the PA are actually working for a One State Solution?

I wouldn't call it a "solution", what they are working for.

 

[Coyote]

Work towards a two state solution.

There is a significant advantage for Israel for a two state solution, imo. So why is Israel not committed to work toward one? My thinking is that there is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, that Israel can do to bring about a two state solution at this point in time. Any unilateral action will only bring about another Gaza or an increasingly violent Gaza. She needs to wait for Arab Palestinians to catch up.

Why not just work with the West Bank?

 

[Shusha]

Work towards a two state solution.

There is a significant advantage for Israel for a two state solution, imo. So why is Israel not committed to work toward one? My thinking is that there is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, that Israel can do to bring about a two state solution at this point in time. Any unilateral action will only bring about another Gaza or an increasingly violent Gaza. She needs to wait for Arab Palestinians to catch up.

Why not just work with the West Bank?

Isn't that what she has been doing? Are you saying that if Israel made a unilateral decision to completely withdraw from the "West Bank" that the result would be different than it was in Gaza? Its FAR more complicated in the "West Bank". Gaza was easy. And yet Israel is still facing both increased violence against her AND increased demonization of her because of Gaza.

 

[Shusha]

And "work with" needs a partner. What is the government of the "West Bank" doing to meet in the middle? Words, deeds, actions, what?

 

[Shusha]

If there was a peace partner to replace Abbas, what would she look like? What kinds of words, deeds and actions would she put out to Israel?

 

[Coyote]

Work towards a two state solution.

There is a significant advantage for Israel for a two state solution, imo. So why is Israel not committed to work toward one? My thinking is that there is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, that Israel can do to bring about a two state solution at this point in time. Any unilateral action will only bring about another Gaza or an increasingly violent Gaza. She needs to wait for Arab Palestinians to catch up.

Why not just work with the West Bank?

Isn't that what she has been doing? Are you saying that if Israel made a unilateral decision to completely withdraw from the "West Bank" that the result would be different than it was in Gaza? Its FAR more complicated in the "West Bank". Gaza was easy. And yet Israel is still facing both increased violence against her AND increased demonization of her because of Gaza.

I wasn’t thinking of a unilateral decision, but a negotiated two state decision without including Gaza.

 

[Shazoomx4]

Just everywere here.how many naitions rule this place anf fall to another?

Everybody came to attack Palestine. When did they go someplace and attack others?

Another post today where you are not making sense.

If you are talking about the "Palestinians", they are Arabs, they are Muslims.

Since the 7th century they went out of Arabia to conquer and populate all of what is now the Middle East and some of Europe.

Look at everywhere in the now called Middle East.

Majority Arabs everywhere.

Arabs are from Arabia
Copts are from Egypt
Kurds are from Mesopotamia
Assyrians are from Syria
Berbers are from Morocco.

And all of them have been forced by the invading Arabs to speegypt, abic, just as the British colonies speak English.

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

Just everywere here.how many naitions rule this place anf fall to another?

Everybody came to attack Palestine. When did they go someplace and attack others?

Another post today where you are not making sense.

If you are talking about the "Palestinians", they are Arabs, they are Muslims.

Since the 7th century they went out of Arabia to conquer and populate all of what is now the Middle East and some of Europe.

Look at everywhere in the now called Middle East.

Majority Arabs everywhere.

Arabs are from Arabia
Copts are from Egypt
Kurds are from Mesopotamia
Assyrians are from Syria
Berbers are from Morocco.

And all of them have been forced by the invading Arabs to speak Arabic, just as the British colonies speak English.

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

They from jurden and egypt , jordan, and all another arab countries...

 

[Sixties Fan]

Everybody came to attack Palestine. When did they go someplace and attack others?

Another post today where you are not making sense.

If you are talking about the "Palestinians", they are Arabs, they are Muslims.

Since the 7th century they went out of Arabia to conquer and populate all of what is now the Middle East and some of Europe.

Look at everywhere in the now called Middle East.

Majority Arabs everywhere.

Arabs are from Arabia
Copts are from Egypt
Kurds are from Mesopotamia
Assyrians are from Syria
Berbers are from Morocco.

And all of them have been forced by the invading Arabs to speegypt, abic, just as the British colonies speak English.

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

Everybody came to attack Palestine. When did they go someplace and attack others?

Another post today where you are not making sense.

If you are talking about the "Palestinians", they are Arabs, they are Muslims.

Since the 7th century they went out of Arabia to conquer and populate all of what is now the Middle East and some of Europe.

Look at everywhere in the now called Middle East.

Majority Arabs everywhere.

Arabs are from Arabia
Copts are from Egypt
Kurds are from Mesopotamia
Assyrians are from Syria
Berbers are from Morocco.

And all of them have been forced by the invading Arabs to speak Arabic, just as the British colonies speak English.

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

They from jurden and egypt , jordan, and all another arab countries...

That is not what we are discussing on this thread.
We are trying to figure out what to do with Gaza.
Is it time for Israel to retake it?
It had it in 1967, when Egypt lost it.
Israel left it completely in 2005.
Giving it up did not work out, it only made things worse for Israel.

What is the solution?

 

[Shazoomx4]

Another post today where you are not making sense.

If you are talking about the "Palestinians", they are Arabs, they are Muslims.

Since the 7th century they went out of Arabia to conquer and populate all of what is now the Middle East and some of Europe.

Look at everywhere in the now called Middle East.

Majority Arabs everywhere.

Arabs are from Arabia
Copts are from Egypt
Kurds are from Mesopotamia
Assyrians are from Syria
Berbers are from Morocco.

And all of them have been forced by the invading Arabs to speegypt, abic, just as the British colonies speak English.

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

Another post today where you are not making sense.

If you are talking about the "Palestinians", they are Arabs, they are Muslims.

Since the 7th century they went out of Arabia to conquer and populate all of what is now the Middle East and some of Europe.

Look at everywhere in the now called Middle East.

Majority Arabs everywhere.

Arabs are from Arabia
Copts are from Egypt
Kurds are from Mesopotamia
Assyrians are from Syria
Berbers are from Morocco.

And all of them have been forced by the invading Arabs to speak Arabic, just as the British colonies speak English.

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

They from jurden and egypt , jordan, and all another arab countries...

That is not what we are discussing on this thread.
We are trying to figure out what to do with Gaza.
Is it time for Israel to retake it?
It had it in 1967, when Egypt lost it.
Israel left it completely in 2005.
Giving it up did not work out, it only made things worse for Israel.

What is the solution?

To retake gaza its bad idea I will take too many lifes I think the best way is to break Hamas by economic way.. his money its his power.

 

[Shusha]

Work towards a two state solution.

There is a significant advantage for Israel for a two state solution, imo. So why is Israel not committed to work toward one? My thinking is that there is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, that Israel can do to bring about a two state solution at this point in time. Any unilateral action will only bring about another Gaza or an increasingly violent Gaza. She needs to wait for Arab Palestinians to catch up.

Why not just work with the West Bank?

Isn't that what she has been doing? Are you saying that if Israel made a unilateral decision to completely withdraw from the "West Bank" that the result would be different than it was in Gaza? Its FAR more complicated in the "West Bank". Gaza was easy. And yet Israel is still facing both increased violence against her AND increased demonization of her because of Gaza.

I wasn’t thinking of a unilateral decision, but a negotiated two state decision without including Gaza.

Preaching to the choir. Bring me a peace partner.

 

[Sixties Fan]

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

No Arabs are people that speak arabic, Arabs can be from anywhere. Palestinians are not Arabians. Arabians are from Arabia. Palestinians are former Samaritans, Jews etc. that converted to Christianity, then Islam.

The Arabians populated no where, the desert could not support very many people so the Arabians were few and were only rulers, they did not do settler colonnization, because there were not enough of them.


"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

They from jurden and egypt , jordan, and all another arab countries...

That is not what we are discussing on this thread.
We are trying to figure out what to do with Gaza.
Is it time for Israel to retake it?
It had it in 1967, when Egypt lost it.
Israel left it completely in 2005.
Giving it up did not work out, it only made things worse for Israel.

What is the solution?

To retake gaza its bad idea I will take too many lifes I think the best way is to break Hamas by economic way.. his money its his power.

How do you propose to make Hamas lose its money?
It gets it from Iran and Qatar?
How to stop them from getting money and anything they can turn into rockets, weapons, etc against Israel?

 

[Shazoomx4]

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

Palestinian are arabian ppl ..

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

They from jurden and egypt , jordan, and all another arab countries...

That is not what we are discussing on this thread.
We are trying to figure out what to do with Gaza.
Is it time for Israel to retake it?
It had it in 1967, when Egypt lost it.
Israel left it completely in 2005.
Giving it up did not work out, it only made things worse for Israel.

What is the solution?

To retake gaza its bad idea I will take too many lifes I think the best way is to break Hamas by economic way.. his money its his power.

How do you propose to make Hamas lose its money?
It gets it from Iran and Qatar?
How to stop them from getting money and anything they can turn into rockets, weapons, etc against Israel?

Exacly what tramp do, put sanctions on Iran to not help them...
I sure the Israel mosad know what else to do about it..

 

[Sixties Fan]

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

Not at all, as they are not from Arabia.

They from jurden and egypt , jordan, and all another arab countries...

That is not what we are discussing on this thread.
We are trying to figure out what to do with Gaza.
Is it time for Israel to retake it?
It had it in 1967, when Egypt lost it.
Israel left it completely in 2005.
Giving it up did not work out, it only made things worse for Israel.

What is the solution?

To retake gaza its bad idea I will take too many lifes I think the best way is to break Hamas by economic way.. his money its his power.

How do you propose to make Hamas lose its money?
It gets it from Iran and Qatar?
How to stop them from getting money and anything they can turn into rockets, weapons, etc against Israel?

Exacly what tramp do, put sanctions on Iran to not help them...
I sure the Israel mosad know what else to do about it..

Hamas is getting money and weapons via illegal ways.
Israel has a blockade on Gaza, so does Egypt, to keep them from getting illegal weapons.

What kind of sanctions could be imposed on Gaza, as with Iran, or North Korea?

 

[Shusha]

How do you propose to make Hamas lose its money?
It gets it from Iran and Qatar?
How to stop them from getting money and anything they can turn into rockets, weapons, etc against Israel?

Not to mention from international aide. Or for that matter, from Israel.

 

[Shusha]

Gaza has no economy to sanction.

It receives a lot of humanitarian aide. Removal of that humanitarian aide would seem, well UN-humanitarian. So what is the solution?

 

[Shusha]

Although, if you have $90 million to spend on tunnels, you probably are getting too much "humanitarian" aide.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Coyote, Shusha, et al,

Understanding that there are several (almost indepedently) Asymmetric fighters (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers) operating within the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. And more recently, the fighters of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP-GC) (Leader Nayef Hawatmeh) have been seeking to establish a closer connections with Hezbollah (Leader Hassan Nasrallah) to strengthen a more formal alliance and solidify a ring and a common link with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC); a source of material support.

For a real and lasting peace on any terms, the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza Strip must be able to stand alone and speak with one voice; → on matters of common policies on their political position with authority.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

Gaza has no economy to sanction.

It receives a lot of humanitarian aide. Removal of that humanitarian aide would seem, well UN-humanitarian. So what is the solution?

Maybe that is exactly what needs to be done.
Stop feeding the wolf.
Either way it is UN-humanitarian to keep nearly 2 million people at the hands of Hamas and the other Iran backed group, to do with whatever they wish, using them as the sacrificial lamb.

It will have to end someday , one way or the other.
All the aid, etc, and once Hamas, etc is gone, try to rebuild it with real partners, if anyone does come up.

But....being Muslims.....I am not quite sure the Charter will be abandoned for the sake of the people and a viable future.

 

[Billo_Really]

What kind of argument is that? The whole point of defending yourself is to prevent yourself from getting hurt or killed. You don't wait until someone hurts you or kills you to defend yourself. You address a threat when its a threat.

But you are not defending yourself. You're committing murder. If you think your sovereignty is threatened by some rocks and fire kites, then you are a lunatic! You have a very sick society. The atrocities you commit on a daily basis, are beyond inhuman.

You're lucky I'm not President. Because if I was, I'd blow your precious Iron Curtain down with Tomahawk missiles. I'd take out your snipers with Cobra gunships. And if you even thought of responding with a tactical nuke, I would barbecue your country in a heartbeat. I guarantee, you country would glow in the dark.

And in the end, I'd leave you with your own bullshit rhetoric by saying, "That was your fault!"

 

[Sixties Fan]

What kind of argument is that? The whole point of defending yourself is to prevent yourself from getting hurt or killed. You don't wait until someone hurts you or kills you to defend yourself. You address a threat when its a threat.

But you are not defending yourself. You're committing murder. If you think your sovereignty is threatened by some rocks and fire kites, then you are a lunatic! You have a very sick society. The atrocities you commit on a daily basis, are beyond inhuman.

You're lucky I'm not President. Because if I was, I'd blow your precious Iron Curtain down with Tomahawk missiles. I'd take out your snipers with Cobra gunships. And if you even thought of responding with a tactical nuke, I would barbecue your country in a heartbeat. I guarantee, you country would glow in the dark.

And in the end, I'd leave you with your own bullshit rhetoric by saying, "That was your fault!"

If you were President you would be in an asylum by now.

Banana Republic, anyone?