Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

Deal with Andylusion's wishes then.

Did Andy mean you, as in Billo, or did Andy refer to those attempting to breach the borders and kill Israelis?

Now, do not get confused by both.

You are not important at all for anyone to wish dead. As long as you are not attempting to breach any country's sovereignty and attempting to kill its citizens. Any country.

And the military of any of those countries will take care of you if you ever attempt anything like that, as so many Hamas operatives have.
You don't have the right to kill people you don't like.

Grow up!
You are transferring what Christians and Muslims have been doing to Jews for the past 1700 years unto Israel.

It does not work.

Red and reread your last sentence. It applies solely to the ones who insist that Israel is shooting at Arabs "just because".
 
If I have the capability to prevent anyone from being hurt, injured or killed, and someone threatens me with deadly force, MUST I permit someone to be hurt, injured or killed before I can return the deadly force?


Well, I disagree. But you have just removed all justification for Gaza or Arab Palestinians using any sort of deadly force, by your own standards.
How does an 8 month old baby threaten your life?
Israel did not kill the baby. It had health issues prior to the parents going to the border and was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Gaza doctors themselves say they do not know what the baby has died from, yet. So stop being judge, jury and executioner when it comes to why each and every one of those at the protests died.

As usual, you are just setting tires on fire, just as the Arabs did.
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.

Strange how what is, and is not illegal is very subjective for Islamics.

We’re to believe that there is nothing illegal about Islamic terrorists attempting to invade a sovereign nation and kill its citizens, yet it is illegal, and somehow immoral for that sovereign nation to defend its borders from the Islamic terrorist invaders.
 
If I have the capability to prevent anyone from being hurt, injured or killed, and someone threatens me with deadly force, MUST I permit someone to be hurt, injured or killed before I can return the deadly force?


Well, I disagree. But you have just removed all justification for Gaza or Arab Palestinians using any sort of deadly force, by your own standards.
How does an 8 month old baby threaten your life?

So NOW you are arguing that an eight month old baby was deliberately targeted and killed by the IDF snipers? Have you got a link to that? Or are you just appealing to emotion to avoid answering the question?
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
Israel was talking about in who's hand was that land before 1967.
It definitely was NOT in Palestinian hands, and the Palestinians (a nationality only born in 1964) never demanded of Egypt and Jordan to have any of that land back before it was lost to Israel.

Jordan and Egypt got involved in wanting more of the Mandate for Palestine, now Israel, they lost.
They tried again in 1973 and lost again.

They stopped crying about it, time for the now "Palestinians" to start doing the same.
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
 
So, out of curiosity, you would totally be okay with Israel protecting her property, including shooting people, if only the buffer zone between Gaza and the actual fence was on Israel's side of the Line?
Yes.

Okay, since the fence in on the Green Line, as far as I understand it, if anyone attempts to breach the fence, thereby crossing into Israeli sovereign territory, it is permissible for Israel to use force, including lethal force, to protect her property, according to your standards. So any deaths which occurred at the fence are legitimate.

The next question is lethal threats from weapons which by their nature can breach the fence, such as rifles, IEDs, pipebombs, molotovs, rocks, kites, etc. Is it permissible for Israel to use force, including lethal force to protect the lives of her people and her property against those types of attacks which can cross the border, while the attacker does not?
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
Israel was talking about in who's hand was that land before 1967.
It definitely was NOT in Palestinian hands, and the Palestinians (a nationality only born in 1964) never demanded of Egypt and Jordan to have any of that land back before it was lost to Israel.

Jordan and Egypt got involved in wanting more of the Mandate for Palestine, now Israel, they lost.
They tried again in 1973 and lost again.

They stopped crying about it, time for the now "Palestinians" to start doing the same.
The fact is that Jordan did not lose the West Bank to Israel. It was not theirs to lose.
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
Israel was talking about in who's hand was that land before 1967.
It definitely was NOT in Palestinian hands, and the Palestinians (a nationality only born in 1964) never demanded of Egypt and Jordan to have any of that land back before it was lost to Israel.

Jordan and Egypt got involved in wanting more of the Mandate for Palestine, now Israel, they lost.
They tried again in 1973 and lost again.

They stopped crying about it, time for the now "Palestinians" to start doing the same.
The fact is that Jordan did not lose the West Bank to Israel. It was not theirs to lose.
They were in charge of that land they took. Therefore once they lost it, They are the ones who lost it and NO ONE else.

Jordan attacked and took.
Jordan attacked again and lost.

Clear now?
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
Jerusalem and the Golan are not negotiable. They have been annexed.

End of story.

Never will Israel give their part of the Golan so that Muslims will again shoot down at Israelis.

Jerusalem is united as it had been for 3000 years before Jordan took the JEWISH QUARTER and expelled all the Jews.

The JEWISH quarter has been returned to Israel and the Jews.

End of story
 
Well, you can't. Hence, me pondering if you are just being sloppy in your argumentation or if you are being deliberately deceptive.
Never do you look at what you've done?

What have I done?

Look, anytime you bring up issues involving territory within the Green Line (which you claim to accept as Israel), you are making an argument against your own argument. So when you whine about Arab land ownership pre-1948 (which, btw, has nothing to do with sovereignty) you are arguing against Israel's rights to that pre-1948, inside the Green Line territory. Which is an argument against your own argument that Israel has full sovereign rights to all the territory inside the Green Line.

I point out again, that I not only disagree with you, but you are factually incorrect about the meaning of the Green Line, but at the very least, I expect you to be consistent with your own argument.

If you want to convince me that you believe in Israel's rights within the Green Line, then you have to not argue about any territory except that which is over the Green Line.
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
Israel was talking about in who's hand was that land before 1967.
It definitely was NOT in Palestinian hands, and the Palestinians (a nationality only born in 1964) never demanded of Egypt and Jordan to have any of that land back before it was lost to Israel.

Jordan and Egypt got involved in wanting more of the Mandate for Palestine, now Israel, they lost.
They tried again in 1973 and lost again.

They stopped crying about it, time for the now "Palestinians" to start doing the same.
The fact is that Jordan did not lose the West Bank to Israel. It was not theirs to lose.
They were in charge of that land they took. Therefore once they lost it, They are the ones who lost it and NO ONE else.

Jordan attacked and took.
Jordan attacked again and lost.

Clear now?
Perfectly clear. Jordan could not annex the West Bank.
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
No, it isn't. In fact, that's how most of the countries in the ME were formed. Historically, the Golan was not part of Syria until the British and French decided to make it so while they were occupying the former Ottoman Empire, and the Sinai was never part of Egypt until the British decided to make it so after they built the Suez Canal to that the canal could be better protected, and Lebanon was created by the French in order to give the Catholics in Syria more power. All these things were done while the land was held in belligerent occupation, and all are recognized as legitimate by the "international community". If Israel were not a Jewish state, there would be no complaints about Israel annexing the land it captured from Jordan.
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
No, it isn't. In fact, that's how most of the countries in the ME were formed. Historically, the Golan was not part of Syria until the British and French decided to make it so while they were occupying the former Ottoman Empire, and the Sinai was never part of Egypt until the British decided to make it so after they built the Suez Canal to that the canal could be better protected, and Lebanon was created by the French in order to give the Catholics in Syria more power. All these things were done while the land was held in belligerent occupation, and all are recognized as legitimate by the "international community". If Israel were not a Jewish state, there would be no complaints about Israel annexing the land it captured from Jordan.
You are thinking like a Zionist. :cuckoo: Jordan occupied Palestinian land in 1948. Israel took over that occupation in 1967.
 
Not the Palestinians either. It was part of Jordan, they initiated the 67 War and lost.
Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
No, it isn't. In fact, that's how most of the countries in the ME were formed. Historically, the Golan was not part of Syria until the British and French decided to make it so while they were occupying the former Ottoman Empire, and the Sinai was never part of Egypt until the British decided to make it so after they built the Suez Canal to that the canal could be better protected, and Lebanon was created by the French in order to give the Catholics in Syria more power. All these things were done while the land was held in belligerent occupation, and all are recognized as legitimate by the "international community". If Israel were not a Jewish state, there would be no complaints about Israel annexing the land it captured from Jordan.
You are thinking like a Zionist. :cuckoo: Jordan occupied Palestinian land in 1948. Israel took over that occupation in 1967.
You're not thinking at all. The land was under occupation by Britain until 1948, and Britain had earlier created the state of Jordan, then known as Trans-Jordan, while Britain occupied that land. Before that, the land had been occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries. The people who have now chosen to name themselves Palestinians have never occupied the land. If it is illegitimate to annex occupied land than most of the ME is illegitimate, but people like you only complain about Israel because it is the only Jewish state.
 
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Not so. It is illegal to annex occupied territory so their attempt failed.
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
No, it isn't. In fact, that's how most of the countries in the ME were formed. Historically, the Golan was not part of Syria until the British and French decided to make it so while they were occupying the former Ottoman Empire, and the Sinai was never part of Egypt until the British decided to make it so after they built the Suez Canal to that the canal could be better protected, and Lebanon was created by the French in order to give the Catholics in Syria more power. All these things were done while the land was held in belligerent occupation, and all are recognized as legitimate by the "international community". If Israel were not a Jewish state, there would be no complaints about Israel annexing the land it captured from Jordan.
You are thinking like a Zionist. :cuckoo: Jordan occupied Palestinian land in 1948. Israel took over that occupation in 1967.
You're not thinking at all. The land was under occupation by Britain until 1948, and Britain had earlier created the state of Jordan, then known as Trans-Jordan, while Britain occupied that land. Before that, the land had been occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries. The people who have now chosen to name themselves Palestinians have never occupied the land. If it is illegitimate to annex occupied land than most of the ME is illegitimate, but people like you only complain about Israel because it is the only Jewish state.
This is sooooo confusing to you. Nobody annexed anything after WWI except Israel. And that was illegal.
 
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
No, it isn't. In fact, that's how most of the countries in the ME were formed. Historically, the Golan was not part of Syria until the British and French decided to make it so while they were occupying the former Ottoman Empire, and the Sinai was never part of Egypt until the British decided to make it so after they built the Suez Canal to that the canal could be better protected, and Lebanon was created by the French in order to give the Catholics in Syria more power. All these things were done while the land was held in belligerent occupation, and all are recognized as legitimate by the "international community". If Israel were not a Jewish state, there would be no complaints about Israel annexing the land it captured from Jordan.
You are thinking like a Zionist. :cuckoo: Jordan occupied Palestinian land in 1948. Israel took over that occupation in 1967.
You're not thinking at all. The land was under occupation by Britain until 1948, and Britain had earlier created the state of Jordan, then known as Trans-Jordan, while Britain occupied that land. Before that, the land had been occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries. The people who have now chosen to name themselves Palestinians have never occupied the land. If it is illegitimate to annex occupied land than most of the ME is illegitimate, but people like you only complain about Israel because it is the only Jewish state.
This is sooooo confusing to you. Nobody annexed anything after WWI except Israel. And that was illegal.
You mean it's inconvenient for you that nearly all the countries in the ME were created by foreigners while they were under belligerent occupation, and only Israel was created by the people who lived there. Rightly seen Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Jordan are all illegitimate because they were created by European colonialists while under belligerent occupation, and only Israel is legitimate because it was created by the people who lived there and not by foreigners.
 
No it's not. The land is occupied only because it has not been annexed. Jerusalem, the Golan are no longer occupied because they have been annexed.
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
No, it isn't. In fact, that's how most of the countries in the ME were formed. Historically, the Golan was not part of Syria until the British and French decided to make it so while they were occupying the former Ottoman Empire, and the Sinai was never part of Egypt until the British decided to make it so after they built the Suez Canal to that the canal could be better protected, and Lebanon was created by the French in order to give the Catholics in Syria more power. All these things were done while the land was held in belligerent occupation, and all are recognized as legitimate by the "international community". If Israel were not a Jewish state, there would be no complaints about Israel annexing the land it captured from Jordan.
You are thinking like a Zionist. :cuckoo: Jordan occupied Palestinian land in 1948. Israel took over that occupation in 1967.
You're not thinking at all. The land was under occupation by Britain until 1948, and Britain had earlier created the state of Jordan, then known as Trans-Jordan, while Britain occupied that land. Before that, the land had been occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries. The people who have now chosen to name themselves Palestinians have never occupied the land. If it is illegitimate to annex occupied land than most of the ME is illegitimate, but people like you only complain about Israel because it is the only Jewish state.
This is sooooo confusing to you. Nobody annexed anything after WWI except Israel. And that was illegal.

If it wasn't illegal for Jordan to annex lands then it isn't for Israel.
Both are essentially the only 'Palestinian governments' with full sovereignty over the land.
 
It is illegal to annex occupied territory.
No, it isn't. In fact, that's how most of the countries in the ME were formed. Historically, the Golan was not part of Syria until the British and French decided to make it so while they were occupying the former Ottoman Empire, and the Sinai was never part of Egypt until the British decided to make it so after they built the Suez Canal to that the canal could be better protected, and Lebanon was created by the French in order to give the Catholics in Syria more power. All these things were done while the land was held in belligerent occupation, and all are recognized as legitimate by the "international community". If Israel were not a Jewish state, there would be no complaints about Israel annexing the land it captured from Jordan.
You are thinking like a Zionist. :cuckoo: Jordan occupied Palestinian land in 1948. Israel took over that occupation in 1967.
You're not thinking at all. The land was under occupation by Britain until 1948, and Britain had earlier created the state of Jordan, then known as Trans-Jordan, while Britain occupied that land. Before that, the land had been occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries. The people who have now chosen to name themselves Palestinians have never occupied the land. If it is illegitimate to annex occupied land than most of the ME is illegitimate, but people like you only complain about Israel because it is the only Jewish state.
This is sooooo confusing to you. Nobody annexed anything after WWI except Israel. And that was illegal.

If it wasn't illegal for Jordan to annex lands then it isn't for Israel.
Both are essentially the only 'Palestinian governments' with full sovereignty over the land.
I didn't say that.
 

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