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[progressive hunter]

There are many species of cats. Are they all the same "kind"?

all those species of cats are still cats same goes for dogs and all the others I listed

So the Bobcat, the tiger, and the lion are all the same 'kind'. Did all the different cats we see today come from a common, cat ancestor and 'evolve' into the very different species we see today? Why are tiger and lion hybrids usually sterile? Are they now separate 'kinds'?

are you saying they are not all cats???

if so then what are they??

I'm trying to understand what you mean by 'kind' since you're unable to provide a definition.

I'm guessing you've never even thought about it since it sounded like a good common sense term. There are a limited number of cat species so most resemble each other but there is still much variation.

You fail to see the basic contradiction in your beliefs. How did the different cats come to be? Evolution at the 'micro' level? Separate creations? They are here so they came from somewhere.

NOOO you just refuse to accept my definition,,,

a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and so on
and a variation withing kinds based on breeding and environment is not evolution,,,if you want to call it micro evolution then go right ahead, but a cat will never turn into a dog or any other kind of animal,,,

 

[alang1216]

NOOO you just refuse to accept my definition,,,

a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and so on
and a variation withing kinds based on breeding and environment is not evolution,,,if you want to call it micro evolution then go right ahead, but a cat will never turn into a dog or any other kind of animal,,,

I must have missed your definition. I don't think saying "a cat is a cat" is any sort of definition but that is just me.

If I said the original 'cat' may have given rise to new species of cat based on environmental pressures, you'd have no problem with that statement? You've said it is possible right that one species of cat can 'evolve' into a different species of cat.

 

[progressive hunter]

NOOO you just refuse to accept my definition,,,

a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and so on
and a variation withing kinds based on breeding and environment is not evolution,,,if you want to call it micro evolution then go right ahead, but a cat will never turn into a dog or any other kind of animal,,,

I must have missed your definition. I don't think saying "a cat is a cat" is any sort of definition but that is just me.

If I said the original 'cat' may have given rise to new species of cat based on environmental pressures, you'd have no problem with that statement? You've said it is possible right that one species of cat can 'evolve' into a different species of cat.

they are all still cats

 

[alang1216]

NOOO you just refuse to accept my definition,,,

a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and so on
and a variation withing kinds based on breeding and environment is not evolution,,,if you want to call it micro evolution then go right ahead, but a cat will never turn into a dog or any other kind of animal,,,

I must have missed your definition. I don't think saying "a cat is a cat" is any sort of definition but that is just me.

If I said the original 'cat' may have given rise to new species of cat based on environmental pressures, you'd have no problem with that statement? You've said it is possible right that one species of cat can 'evolve' into a different species of cat.

they are all still cats

But we seem to be an agreement that one species of cat can give rise to a different species of cat. That's progress.

The fossa is a still-living cat-like, mongoose relative. Could it be the original 'cat'?

 

[progressive hunter]

NOOO you just refuse to accept my definition,,,

a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and so on
and a variation withing kinds based on breeding and environment is not evolution,,,if you want to call it micro evolution then go right ahead, but a cat will never turn into a dog or any other kind of animal,,,

I must have missed your definition. I don't think saying "a cat is a cat" is any sort of definition but that is just me.

If I said the original 'cat' may have given rise to new species of cat based on environmental pressures, you'd have no problem with that statement? You've said it is possible right that one species of cat can 'evolve' into a different species of cat.

they are all still cats

But we seem to be an agreement that one species of cat can give rise to a different species of cat. That's progress.

The fossa is a still-living cat-like, mongoose relative. Could it be the original 'cat'?

"could be" and wouldnt it still being alive debunk the evolution theory??


I see you have to reach really far to try and make a point

 

[james bond]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

 

[Hollie]

Umm, no. No part of supernatural creation 6,000 years ago has any connection to the ToE, natural selection or microevolution. You are re-writing your bibles as you go. That’s silly.

We are further along than the creation event. We have the destruction of all living creatures except for Noah's family and animals aboard the ark now. After that came the Tower of Babel, about 106 years after the flood, which caused more problems. Creationists believe Darwinism came out from the Tower of Babel. That was caused by Noah's generation

Now, we are heading to further doom and gloom, but likely won't happen in our lifetimes. What we have seen are two world wars (your parents or maybe your grandparents generation). Did we not see the genocide of the Jews by Hitler and it was inspired by Darwin? The Jews may be the chosen people, but look how much they suffered. They even lost their country during this period and it was a miracle they got it back. Thus, the current generation is looking at weapons of mass destruction from Islamics. We do not want Israel or the Jews eradicated.

You need to give up your hate of Christians as our discussions lead to more of your ranting and it makes me think you haven't listened to what I've been saying. If you don't believe me, then ask the Judaists here and see what they say.

What about you? Do you agree that we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning as per the creation scientists? Or do you still think this is possible? We already had DNA degradation brought up even though we disagree on how many years it has degraded. I think we are agreeing on this and that you won't just believe dinosaurs can be cloned again unless we find a living dinosaur. That's probably the area where we disagree due to the asteroid extinction theory.

Your flaming tirade about Nazi's, Jews and Darwin is just nonsense.

You're simply parrotting slurs from Henry Morris.

 

[Hollie]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

Curious how religious extremists suggest there are pteranodons flying around. Even more curious how such a creature would be studied as there are no sophisticated analytical labs maintained by the creation ministries.

 

[james bond]

Your flaming tirade about Nazi's, Jews and Darwin is just nonsense.

You're simply parrotting slurs from Henry Morris.

Puhleeze. You're still stuck on blaming Christians.

Did you know the Jews lost their land? Can we discuss the Jews in a rational manner?

"Around 2500 years ago, the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple and forcibly exiled the remainder of Israel's population to Babylonia."

How did the Jews lose Israel? - Answers.com

ETA: Why does hobelim think ding and I will be going to hell? Why does he not believe in Jesus as Messiah? We should straighten this out and religious history first before going to the dino discussion. Why do you think Israel is important to the USA in the Middle East?

 

[Hollie]

Your flaming tirade about Nazi's, Jews and Darwin is just nonsense.

You're simply parrotting slurs from Henry Morris.

Puhleeze. You're still stuck on blaming Christians.

Did you know the Jews lost their land? Can we discuss the Jews in a rational manner?

"Around 2500 years ago, the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple and forcibly exiled the remainder of Israel's population to Babylonia."

How did the Jews lose Israel? - Answers.com

I noticed you quickly attempted to evade any responsibility for your nonsense "eugenics" suggestion.

 

[james bond]

Your flaming tirade about Nazi's, Jews and Darwin is just nonsense.

You're simply parrotting slurs from Henry Morris.

Puhleeze. You're still stuck on blaming Christians.

Did you know the Jews lost their land? Can we discuss the Jews in a rational manner?

"Around 2500 years ago, the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple and forcibly exiled the remainder of Israel's population to Babylonia."

How did the Jews lose Israel? - Answers.com

I noticed you quickly attempted to evade any responsibility for your nonsense "eugenics" suggestion.

So much for that. We may as well skip the dinos, too. You are too ignorant and narrow minded.

 

[Hollie]

Your flaming tirade about Nazi's, Jews and Darwin is just nonsense.

You're simply parrotting slurs from Henry Morris.

Puhleeze. You're still stuck on blaming Christians.

Did you know the Jews lost their land? Can we discuss the Jews in a rational manner?

"Around 2500 years ago, the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple and forcibly exiled the remainder of Israel's population to Babylonia."

How did the Jews lose Israel? - Answers.com

I noticed you quickly attempted to evade any responsibility for your nonsense "eugenics" suggestion.

So much for that. We may as well skip the dinos, too. You are too ignorant and narrow minded.

Another of your emotional outbursts because I called out your nonsensical eugenics reference.

 

[alang1216]

But we seem to be an agreement that one species of cat can give rise to a different species of cat. That's progress.

The fossa is a still-living cat-like, mongoose relative. Could it be the original 'cat'?

"could be" and wouldnt it still being alive debunk the evolution theory??


I see you have to reach really far to try and make a point

If you knew anything about evolution theory, you'd know the fossa still being alive does not debunk it.

I to reach out because you don't understand evolution theory and can't define what a 'kind' is. The fossa certainly looks like a cat, is it in the same kind or not? Why?

 

[progressive hunter]

But we seem to be an agreement that one species of cat can give rise to a different species of cat. That's progress.

The fossa is a still-living cat-like, mongoose relative. Could it be the original 'cat'?

"could be" and wouldnt it still being alive debunk the evolution theory??


I see you have to reach really far to try and make a point

If you knew anything about evolution theory, you'd know the fossa still being alive does not debunk it.

I to reach out because you don't understand evolution theory and can't define what a 'kind' is. The fossa certainly looks like a cat, is it in the same kind or not? Why?

youve been spending all this time trying to explain micro evolution but have skipped over the process before it macro evolution,,,

why not enlighten me on how the cat became a cat and what was it before it was a cat and how did it change into a cat??

 

[alang1216]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur I'll be an agnostic no longer

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur I'll be an agnostic no longer

Bow to your new god, then:

 

[progressive hunter]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur I'll be an agnostic no longer

Bow to your new god, then:

LOOK ITS A T-REX!!!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur I'll be an agnostic no longer

Bow to your new god, then:

LOOK ITS A T-REX!!!

I wish! I bet TRex eggs are yummy.

 

[james bond]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur I'll be an agnostic no longer

That's not how God works. You have to have faith first.

Anyway, we keep looking for evidence and do not believe birds are dinosaurs.

 

[Hollie]

There is much we don't agree on but I'll say that with the current state of our technology and the we cannot bring back extinct species through cloning from fossils as per the creation scientists. Does that mean it will never be possible? Who can say. Will we be able to recreate dinos based on bird DNA? That seems much more likely.

I think it's possible if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur and we have matching DNA for it. That's what creationists believe. We have reports of pteranodons and possibly plesiosaurs, but have not been able to capture one as evidence.

Your side has the dino-bird DNA, but finding a dino-bird is probably out. The DNA would be considered too old for the secular/atheist scientists. But who am I to say that something does not happen because reverse engineering failed.

if creation scientists can find a living dinosaur I'll be an agnostic no longer

That's not how God works. You have to have faith first.

Anyway, we keep looking for evidence and do not believe birds are dinosaurs.

You can believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, men lived to be 650 years old and serpents talk.

Believing in myth and superstition doesn’t actually make myths and superstitions become facts.