Debate Now Is it actually commerce if it is ran by the government?

[RodISHI]

I've been considering this for awhile on how capitalism is supposed to be our mainstay of a free society but is it actually commerce when the government is subsidizing it from start to finish? One poster that is probably still on here somewhere but under a different name called it corporatism; which is akin to communism but with a capitalist twist. Many at this point either work for the government or in one of the government's highly subsidized sections of what they are calling commerce. The rest of us are just well, "trash" because we do not fit in that mold or communist/corporate puzzle somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of brilliant and well some not so brilliant minds on here that can give their opinion on the subject.

 

[DGS49]

Consider the Uniform Commercial Code, the law that governs B2B transactions in all fifty states. In fact, all commerce is governed by these laws.

Transactions between government and commercial enterprises is done under the terms of contracts and grants, which are subject to laws and regulations.

What do you consider a Government subsidy? Provide an example of a government subsidized transaction? Are you referring to tax incentives, such as consumers get on the purchase of an EV?

What?

 

[White 6]

I've been considering this for awhile on how capitalism is supposed to be our mainstay of a free society but is it actually commerce when the government is subsidizing it from start to finish? One poster that is probably still on here somewhere but under a different name called it corporatism; which is akin to communism but with a capitalist twist. Many at this point either work for the government or in one of the government's highly subsidized sections of what they are calling commerce. The rest of us are just well, "trash" because we do not fit in that mold or communist/corporate puzzle somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of brilliant and well some not so brilliant minds on here that can give their opinion on the subject.

I am one of the not so brilliant. Dictionary does not differentiate between pure capitalist, subsidized socialist or pure communists government owned demand economy and most country's GDP is a combination. Here is the definition from American Heritage Dictionary:
1. The buying and selling of goods, especially on a large scale, as between cities or nations. See Synonyms at business.

 

[RodISHI]

Consider the Uniform Commercial Code, the law that governs B2B transactions in all fifty states. In fact, all commerce is governed by these laws.

Transactions between government and commercial enterprises is done under the terms of contracts and grants, which are subject to laws and regulations.

What do you consider a Government subsidy? Provide an example of a government subsidized transaction? Are you referring to tax incentives, such as consumers get on the purchase of an EV?

What?

What is an EV?

Big pharma is what comes to mind immediately. Grants are given even to themselves at the CDC and universities for development, big pharma produces, and government purchases, then subsidizes to distribute as the sample here shows Publicly funded remuneration for the administration of injections by pharmacists

Grain market pretty much the same which is captivated by a few who get subsidies mostly, which subsidizes the seed, chemicals and mostly ran now by Bayer and Cargill with the major chem suppliers in the drivers seats.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I've been considering this for awhile on how capitalism is supposed to be our mainstay of a free society but is it actually commerce when the government is subsidizing it from start to finish? One poster that is probably still on here somewhere but under a different name called it corporatism; which is akin to communism but with a capitalist twist. Many at this point either work for the government or in one of the government's highly subsidized sections of what they are calling commerce. The rest of us are just well, "trash" because we do not fit in that mold or communist/corporate puzzle somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of brilliant and well some not so brilliant minds on here that can give their opinion on the subject.

Yes, it is Commerce..which after all, just the buying selling and/or trading of goods and services. Is it Capitalism..is a better question. I would say that, in this country, it is. It is not laissez-faire--which is probably a good thing.

I dispute your assertion, that the bulk of private business, which is not subsidized--makes us trash. The Govt. has a vested interest in commerce..and ensuring that it's both fair and efficient. We can argue as to just where the line is drawn..but that it needs to be drawn is axiomatic.

Regulation does not have to be Socialistic or Communistic..just as regulation of weapons does not equal violating the 2nd amendment.

I note that you use the term Communism a few times...I'd welcome your input as to why you use the term in the post>as I see very little indeed that is communistic about our economic system.

Socialist..is a different animal. Anyone who believes in the right-wing aphorism that Communism=Socialism--needs to do some studying.

 

[Indeependent]

I've been considering this for awhile on how capitalism is supposed to be our mainstay of a free society but is it actually commerce when the government is subsidizing it from start to finish? One poster that is probably still on here somewhere but under a different name called it corporatism; which is akin to communism but with a capitalist twist. Many at this point either work for the government or in one of the government's highly subsidized sections of what they are calling commerce. The rest of us are just well, "trash" because we do not fit in that mold or communist/corporate puzzle somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of brilliant and well some not so brilliant minds on here that can give their opinion on the subject.

How many companies ever started without a loan?

 

[RodISHI]

I've been considering this for awhile on how capitalism is supposed to be our mainstay of a free society but is it actually commerce when the government is subsidizing it from start to finish? One poster that is probably still on here somewhere but under a different name called it corporatism; which is akin to communism but with a capitalist twist. Many at this point either work for the government or in one of the government's highly subsidized sections of what they are calling commerce. The rest of us are just well, "trash" because we do not fit in that mold or communist/corporate puzzle somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of brilliant and well some not so brilliant minds on here that can give their opinion on the subject.

Yes, it is Commerce..which after all, just the buying selling and/or trading of goods and services. Is it Capitalism..is a better question. I would say that, in this country, it is. It is not laissez-faire--which is probably a good thing.

I dispute your assertion, that the bulk of private business, which is not subsidized--makes us trash. The Govt. has a vested interest in commerce..and ensuring that it's both fair and efficient. We can argue as to just where the line is drawn..but that it needs to be drawn is axiomatic.

Regulation does not have to be Socialistic or Communistic..just as regulation of weapons does not equal violating the 2nd amendment.

I note that you use the term Communism a few times...I'd welcome your input as to why you use the term in the post>as I see very little indeed that is communistic about our economic system.

Socialist..is a different animal. Anyone who believes in the right-wing aphorism that Communism=Socialism--needs to do some studying.

The "trash" assertion is not mine but a few of our elitist and politicians.

I will consider the rest of your post and respond after awhile.

(dirty dishes call on me today to be washed)

 

[RodISHI]

I've been considering this for awhile on how capitalism is supposed to be our mainstay of a free society but is it actually commerce when the government is subsidizing it from start to finish? One poster that is probably still on here somewhere but under a different name called it corporatism; which is akin to communism but with a capitalist twist. Many at this point either work for the government or in one of the government's highly subsidized sections of what they are calling commerce. The rest of us are just well, "trash" because we do not fit in that mold or communist/corporate puzzle somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of brilliant and well some not so brilliant minds on here that can give their opinion on the subject.

How many companies ever started without a loan?

I started several small enterprises without a loan. Just the way I was brought up. Never lost on any of those.

Later after I semi retired and the one time I did let a bank convince me to allow them to loan money for processing equipment once we had already spent three years and our own money building the site they committed major fraud and then took both myself and my husband (who wasn't a part of the corporate loan on the corporation they insisted I create) out with help from crooked lawyers and judges/court.

Many great enterprises in this country came from people who banked on themselves and the talents and innovations God gave to them.

 

[RodISHI]

I've been considering this for awhile on how capitalism is supposed to be our mainstay of a free society but is it actually commerce when the government is subsidizing it from start to finish? One poster that is probably still on here somewhere but under a different name called it corporatism; which is akin to communism but with a capitalist twist. Many at this point either work for the government or in one of the government's highly subsidized sections of what they are calling commerce. The rest of us are just well, "trash" because we do not fit in that mold or communist/corporate puzzle somehow.

I'm sure there are a lot of brilliant and well some not so brilliant minds on here that can give their opinion on the subject.

Yes, it is Commerce..which after all, just the buying selling and/or trading of goods and services. Is it Capitalism..is a better question. I would say that, in this country, it is. It is not laissez-faire--which is probably a good thing.

I dispute your assertion, that the bulk of private business, which is not subsidized--makes us trash. The Govt. has a vested interest in commerce..and ensuring that it's both fair and efficient. We can argue as to just where the line is drawn..but that it needs to be drawn is axiomatic.

Regulation does not have to be Socialistic or Communistic..just as regulation of weapons does not equal violating the 2nd amendment.

I note that you use the term Communism a few times...I'd welcome your input as to why you use the term in the post>as I see very little indeed that is communistic about our economic system.

Socialist..is a different animal. Anyone who believes in the right-wing aphorism that Communism=Socialism--needs to do some studying.

I am not speaking of actual private enterprise which are becoming fewer by the day.
I mention communism because it is the state and corporate/bank-aka-investors and their politicians who are the cappos who use their authority, positions and so forth to use tax payer coffers to keep their otherwise failed enterprises viable in order to promise good reward for those who will join their community/commune.
com·mu·nism
/ˈkämyəˌnizəm/

Learn to pronounce


noun
noun: communism

1. a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
   h
   Similar:
   collectivism
   
   state ownership
   socialism
   
   radical socialism
   Sovietism
   Bolshevism
   
   Marxism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   

Origin

mid 19th century: from French communisme, from commun (see common).

Translate communism to

Use over time for: communism


Definitions from Oxford Languages

In order to save a large portion of of the banking industry and union pensions (including a big share of state employee pensions) once they did away with the Glass Steagal Act the bankers supposedly needed a bail out. They needed a bail out because they can loan out much more than they have in reserve. Investment bankers got super creative with their accounting and how many actually went to jail for that? Or were they allowed to just walk out and go to another one of the cappos business enterprises as leadership which are also subsidized with taxpayer funds?

If it were not some sort of corporate communism being diguised as capitalism while they push these agendas for nothing more than controlling the masses at this point why did the democrats get themselves a community organizer onboard and make him a president in order to push for the ACA? Forcing people to buy anything whether they want it or not seems pretty darn fascist to me. Subsidizing abusive industries while it is known to be adverse to peoples health also seems pretty darn fascist too.