Debate Now Is Israel our ally or not?

[Dogmaphobe]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

 

[Foxfyre]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

In my post that you quoted here, I explained why they did not fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. They would have glady done so. We asked them not to.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

I realize you are a very committed antisemite, but we were quite adamant in requesting they not get involved. Even when Hussein lobbed Scuds into Israel, they held back and that was BECAUSE they are our ally.

What does anti-Semite have to do with it?

If you can prove Israel is anything other than a liability to the US, let's hear it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

I realize you are a very committed antisemite, but we were quite adamant in requesting they not get involved. Even when Hussein lobbed Scuds into Israel, they held back and that was BECAUSE they are our ally.

They are our ally because they DIDN"t help us? lol, I remember the French weren't treated that way.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

Did you know that it was the Jews of the 13 colonies and Haym Solomon, a Philadelphia Banker, who financed George Washington and his soldiers at Valley Forge when they were freezing to death, in need of supplies, food, warm clothing, ammunition, etc? Had they not come to their aid they would have lost the battle and America would not have survived. Without the Jews help? Washington and his men would not have prevailed.

Did you know that? Did you ever wonder why that isn't taught in America's history books? Did you know that in the beginning of our nation they did not permit Catholics into political office because they knew that the Jesuits were planning to try and take over even from the beginning. So they made it a law that they would not be a part of the political system. At that time 99% of the colonies were Bible Believing Protestants and less than 1% were Roman Catholics and today? Look at how they brought about the UN, NATO, IMF, World Bank, Federal reserve, how they have infiltrated every branch of Govt, schools, hospitals, insurance companies, introduced liquor business, introduced pornography, their Jesuits have brought in every imaginable filth this nation is now suffering diseased souls from and still they will not be satisified until we lay in financial ruin and our enemies destroy us.

Don't believe it? Click this link and find out how the Jesuits managed to do this. From an ex - Jesuit who paid with his own life to give you this information. Then pass it on.
Alberto Rivera The Jesuit Priest Who Told The Truth

 

[NYcarbineer]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

In my post that you quoted here, I explained why they did not fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. They would have glady done so. We asked them not to.

I didn't ask them not to. Why should Americans die to protect Israeli interests, if they won't die to protect ours?

 

[ogibillm]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

In my post that you quoted here, I explained why they did not fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. They would have glady done so. We asked them not to.

What good is an ally that can't support us?

 

[Foxfyre]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

Did you know that it was the Jews of the 13 colonies and Haym Solomon, a Philadelphia Banker, who financed George Washington and his soldiers at Valley Forge when they were freezing to death, in need of supplies, food, warm clothing, ammunition, etc? Had they not come to their aid they would have lost the battle and America would not have survived. Without the Jews help? Washington and his men would not have prevailed.

Did you know that? Did you ever wonder why that isn't taught in America's history books? Did you know that in the beginning of our nation they did not permit Catholics into political office because they knew that the Jesuits were planning to try and take over even from the beginning. So they made it a law that they would not be a part of the political system. At that time 99% of the colonies were Bible Believing Protestants and less than 1% were Roman Catholics and today? Look at how they brought about the UN, NATO, IMF, World Bank, Federal reserve, how they have infiltrated every branch of Govt, schools, hospitals, insurance companies, introduced liquor business, introduced pornography, their Jesuits have brought in every imaginable filth this nation is now suffering diseased souls from and still they will not be satisified until we lay in financial ruin and our enemies destroy us.

Don't believe it? Click this link and find out how the Jesuits managed to do this. From an ex - Jesuit who paid with his own life to give you this information. Then pass it on.
Alberto Rivera The Jesuit Priest Who Told The Truth

While it is true that the Jews have definitely contributed far more to the benefit of the world than any problems they have created, I do believe it was mostly financing and even some military aid from France and the Netherlands that helped Washington and the Continental Army to prevail. And I don't believe for a minute Alberto Rivera's cultish pronouncements will hold up under close scrutiny.

Israel remains the lone democratic republic and a bastian of religious tolerance and liberty in the Middle East. And as such the people of Israel prosper despite having almost no natural resources. They are the defender and protector of Christian holy sites that mean a great deal to millions of Americans. They look to their own self interests as all nations do and they are hated for that by the anti-semites among us. But I do see them as our friend and ally an an example to achieve human rights and liberty.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

In my post that you quoted here, I explained why they did not fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. They would have glady done so. We asked them not to.

I didn't ask them not to. Why should Americans die to protect Israeli interests, if they won't die to protect ours?

More than refusing to give back what we give them, they won't even die to protect their own interests.

That entire anti-America debacle was geared toward manipulating the US to do what they won't do themselves. Netanyalhu doesn't want dead Israelis or the debt that comes with war so he made a deal with certain Americans to do it for him. Certain Americans want another ground war which would not solve the problem but would benefit the war profiteers. Clearly, those Americans invited Netanyahu to speak because they hope to weaken the US or make the US look bad.

We are an ally of Israel but they are not acting like an ally of the US.

Certain Americans consistently prove they are anything BUT an ally of the US. I was deeply ashamed that the whole world watched what those Americans did yesterday.

 

[Foxfyre]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

In my post that you quoted here, I explained why they did not fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. They would have glady done so. We asked them not to.

I didn't ask them not to. Why should Americans die to protect Israeli interests, if they won't die to protect ours?

Had you been in charge of those operations, and needed the good will and cooperation of other Arab/Muslim countries, you would have asked the Israelis to stay out of it. If you didn't do that, you would have been a fool.

 

[ogibillm]

Israel was not a country in WWII and was still in formation stage in Korea. It was dealing with major Arab threats during Vietnam and we weren't helping Israel all that much at that time either though we did start selling arms to Israel during the Johnson administration.

In all the Arab/Muslim hostilities, we have specifically asked Israel not to get involved because things being the way they are, every administration has known that Israeli involvement would have only escalated things and angered our Arab allies. And since Vietnam, some military involvement hasn't involved any other countries (Granada and Panama). Those that have included other nation involvement have all been Arab and/or Muslim countries.

Israel didn't start receiving US aid until the Johnson administration and the USA had not been warm toward Israel joining NATO for fear that would drive the Arab nations into the arms of a hostile USSR. The Kosovo War in 1998 and 1999 was an all NATO operation that was not sanctioned by the U.N.

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

In my post that you quoted here, I explained why they did not fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. They would have glady done so. We asked them not to.

I didn't ask them not to. Why should Americans die to protect Israeli interests, if they won't die to protect ours?

Had you been in charge of those operations, and needed the good will and cooperation of other Arab/Muslim countries, you would have asked the Israelis to stay out of it. If you didn't do that, you would have been a fool.

So again, what good is an ally that can't or won't support us?

 

[Foxfyre]

Damn thems conniving, manipulating Joos for not joining us during the Revolutionary war, anyway!

How many fought in Afghanistan? The 1st Iraq war? The 2nd Iraq war?

Israel is a liability to the US. We gain nothing from being shackled to Israel.

In my post that you quoted here, I explained why they did not fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. They would have glady done so. We asked them not to.

I didn't ask them not to. Why should Americans die to protect Israeli interests, if they won't die to protect ours?

Had you been in charge of those operations, and needed the good will and cooperation of other Arab/Muslim countries, you would have asked the Israelis to stay out of it. If you didn't do that, you would have been a fool.

So again, what good is an ally that can't or won't support us?

An Ally doesn't have to support us militarily to be an ally. It can be a nation we can count on as an honorable trading partner, that will give us access to their bases and harbor to our citizens and friends who need it, or who supports us in causes at the U.N. or simply holds its ground against aggression. We cannot expect our allies to support us in everything--even friends have differences of opinion--but by and latge Israel has been our friend and not our adversary.

The only other nation we have been able to count on as much is the U.K.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Why does being Israel's "ally" mean we behave as though we are their parents?

When do they settle their own conflicts? Or at the very least, TRY to settle them?

I'm not saying we should not continue to give them certain types and degrees of assistance but this has been a one way relationship from the beginning and its time they left the nest, as it were.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

More than refusing to give back what we give them, they won't even die to protect their own interests.

That entire anti-America debacle was geared toward manipulating the US to do what they won't do themselves. Netanyalhu doesn't want dead Israelis or the debt that comes with war so he made a deal with certain Americans to do it for him. Certain Americans want another ground war which would not solve the problem but would benefit the war profiteers. Clearly, those Americans invited Netanyahu to speak because they hope to weaken the US or make the US look bad.

We are an ally of Israel but they are not acting like an ally of the US.

Certain Americans consistently prove they are anything BUT an ally of the US. I was deeply ashamed that the whole world watched what those Americans did yesterday.

Ah, yes -- the manipulative Jews canard.

Always a crowd favorite.

What's next -- Jews as money grubbing or loyal only to themselves?

 

[Desperado]

They say they are our ally now , but I wonder how long that would last if we cut off their aid?
I think they might find a way to make up for the loss, like they have no problem selling our tech to China now!
Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China

Read more: Report Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China Defense Tech
Defense.org

 

[Foxfyre]

They say they are our ally now , but I wonder how long that would last if we cut off their aid?
I think they might find a way to make up for the loss, like they have no problem selling our tech to China now!
Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China

Read more: Report Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China Defense Tech
Defense.org

It isn't that we don't get anything for that aid though. We aid Israel because they are our ally. We aid all the other Arab countries mostly to keep them peaceful or to continue to have access to their oil.

I don't use Wiki usually, but I have seen this quote elsewhere and am just too lazy to look it up. . .

. . .U.S. President Obama's former Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates categorized the relationship between U.S. and Israel with the following: "I cannot recall a time during my public life when our two countries have had a closer defense relationship. The U.S. and Israel are cooperating closely in areas such as missile defense technology, the Joint Strike Fighter, and in training exercises such as Juniper Stallion...our bilateral relationship and this dialogue is so critical because Israel lives at the focal point of some of the biggest security challenges facing the free world: violent extremism, the proliferation of nuclear technologies, and the dilemmas posed by adversarial and failed states. And I think it important, especially at a time of such dramatic change in the region, to reaffirm once more America’s unshakable commitment to Israel’s security."[5][6]. . . .
Israel United States military relations - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And we also use Israel's military bases any time we need a place to repair or refuel or for other reasons.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

More than refusing to give back what we give them, they won't even die to protect their own interests.

That entire anti-America debacle was geared toward manipulating the US to do what they won't do themselves. Netanyalhu doesn't want dead Israelis or the debt that comes with war so he made a deal with certain Americans to do it for him. Certain Americans want another ground war which would not solve the problem but would benefit the war profiteers. Clearly, those Americans invited Netanyahu to speak because they hope to weaken the US or make the US look bad.

We are an ally of Israel but they are not acting like an ally of the US.

Certain Americans consistently prove they are anything BUT an ally of the US. I was deeply ashamed that the whole world watched what those Americans did yesterday.

Ah, yes -- the manipulative Jews canard.

Always a crowd favorite.

What's next -- Jews as money grubbing or loyal only to themselves?

Wow. You really think its because they're Jewish? Or do you mean the Rs did it because Israel is Jewish?

Sorry, but I disagree.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Wow. You really think its because they're Jewish? Or do you mean the Rs did it because Israel is Jewish?

Sorry, but I disagree.

Good try, but you were the one trying to foist the traditional canard about manipulative Jews.

Prominent Germans were doing the same back in the 20s and 30s.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Wow. You really think its because they're Jewish? Or do you mean the Rs did it because Israel is Jewish?

Sorry, but I disagree.

Good try, but you were the one trying to foist the traditional canard about manipulative Jews.

Prominent Germans were doing the same back in the 20s and 30s.

No, actually I was not. Nor did I realize that's what you meant.

Let's keep in mind that this was done by the Republicans, NOT by Netanyahu. This is not about Israel being Jewish. Its about the Repub party's inability and/or refusal to legislate as well as their sworn plan to screw over the country because they don't like the president.