Is China's growth the product of free market , state owned enterprises or both?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What is completely false is that China's model has any resemblance with the Jeffersonian model.

too stupid, Jefferson stood for freedom and capitalism and Adam Smith just like the Chinese and Wen Jiaboa do.

 

[CultureCitizen]

What is completely false is that China's model has any resemblance with the Jeffersonian model.

too stupid, Jefferson stood for freedom and capitalism and Adam Smith just like the Chinese and Wen Jiaboa do.

Baiamonte,
Sory, to hear that. If you think that after reading both links, I can only conclude you are a functional illiterate.

"They do not fully comprehend the information and ideas being received, studied, or applied and are not aware they do not understand. Their actions, feelings and beliefs are founded on their unknown wrong suppositions, ideas and understandings. The problems and results of being a hidden illiterate can range from humorous to disastrous."

Hidden Illiteracy Semi and Functionally Illiterate Definition Applied Scholastics International

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What is completely false is that China's model has any resemblance with the Jeffersonian model.

too stupid, Jefferson stood for freedom and capitalism and Adam Smith just like the Chinese and Wen Jiaboa do.

Baiamonte,
Sory, to hear that. If you think that after reading both links, I can only conclude you are a functional illiterate.

"They do not fully comprehend the information and ideas being received, studied, or applied and are not aware they do not understand. Their actions, feelings and beliefs are founded on their unknown wrong suppositions, ideas and understandings. The problems and results of being a hidden illiterate can range from humorous to disastrous."

Hidden Illiteracy Semi and Functionally Illiterate Definition Applied Scholastics International

personal attack from typical liberal who lacks IQ for substance!!
Jefferson stood for freedom and capitalism and Adam Smith just like the Chinese and Wen Jiaboa do.

 

[CultureCitizen]

What is completely false is that China's model has any resemblance with the Jeffersonian model.

too stupid, Jefferson stood for freedom and capitalism and Adam Smith just like the Chinese and Wen Jiaboa do.

Baiamonte,
Sory, to hear that. If you think that after reading both links, I can only conclude you are a functional illiterate.

"They do not fully comprehend the information and ideas being received, studied, or applied and are not aware they do not understand. Their actions, feelings and beliefs are founded on their unknown wrong suppositions, ideas and understandings. The problems and results of being a hidden illiterate can range from humorous to disastrous."

Hidden Illiteracy Semi and Functionally Illiterate Definition Applied Scholastics International

personal attack from typical liberal who lacks IQ for substance!!
Jefferson stood for freedom and capitalism and Adam Smith just like the Chinese and Wen Jiaboa do.

That is not a personal attack, sory. But sustaining your thesis in spite of the evidence I presented is stretching rationality ( or reading comprehension) beyond its limits.

Look at the differences between the models. Only taxation is slightly similar.

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Political
China model
An absence of political liberalization
Strong leading role of ruling political party
Authoritarianism
Jefferson
It was the duty of citizens to vote, and the Jeffersonians invented many modern campaign techniques designed to get out the vote.
Freedom of speech and the press are the best methods to prevent tyranny over the people by their own government.
Strong state and local governments and a weak federal government.
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Economic
China model
Gradual reform rather than neo-liberal economic shock therapy
A strong and pro-development state
Export Led Growth,
State Capitalism
Jefferson
The yeoman farmer best exemplifies civic virtue and independence from corrupting city influences; government policy should be for his benefit
Jeffersonian agrarians held that the economy of the United States should rely more on agriculture for strategic commodities than on industry.
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Taxation
China Model
The tax on an individual's income is progressive. As at , an individual's income is taxed progressively at 3% - 45%.
The corporate tax rate for domestic and foreign companies is 25%.
Small companies pay 20% corporate tax in certain cases.
Jefferson
"a graduated income tax that would serve as a disincentive to vast accumulations of wealth and would make funds available for some sort of benign redistribution downward
--> Notice Jefferson was a big fan of trickle up!!

China Tax and Tax Laws - WorldWide-Tax.com

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Look at the differences between the models. Only taxation is slightly similar.

too stupid we have the most capitalism and are the weathiest, while China is switching to capitalism and after 10,000 years is getting very very wealthy too as a direct and immediate result of the shift. To claim that the libcommie albatross around their neck is responsible when they have been purposively shrinking it is pure liberal lunacy.

In many ways they are more capitalist than we are. We have a 40% tax and they have only 25% . Our govt spends 50% of GDP on crippling welfare entitlements while in China they only spend 5%!

 

[CultureCitizen]

Look at the differences between the models. Only taxation is slightly similar.

too stupid we have the most capitalism and are the weathiest, while China is switching to capitalism and after 10,000 years is getting very very wealthy too as a direct and immediate result of the shift. To claim that the libcommie albatross around their neck is responsible when they have been purposively shrinking it is pure liberal lunacy.

In many ways they are more capitalist than we are. We have a 40% tax and they have only 25% . Our govt spends 50% of GDP on crippling welfare entitlements while in China they only spend 5%!

1) We were discussing the similarities between Jefferson's ideas and the Chinese model. So they are not similar right?
2) As I mentioned earlier China had a downturn during the last 150 years. For the rest of the past millenium China was the largest economy.
3) The US government does-not-spend 50% of the GDP in welfare ... unless you are refering to the bank bailout , plus QE1, QE2 and QE3.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

1) We were discussing the similarities between Jefferson's ideas and the Chinese model. So they are not similar right?
.

identical Wen JiaBoa travels with Adam Smith just as Jefferson did although Jefferson loved the French so preferred DeTracy to Smith.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

2) As I mentioned earlier China had a downturn during the last 150 years. For the rest of the past millenium China was the largest economy.

large but still subsistence it was only Republican capitalism that made them instantly rich after 10,000 years of idiotic deductive liberalism

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

3) The US government does-not-spend 50% of the GDP in welfare ... unless you are refering to the bank bailout , plus QE1, QE2 and QE3.

govt here spends about $8trillion so about half of GDP which is a freightening waste of resources. China spends far less so gets the huge growth rates of 7-10% while we get 2%. They will bury us at this rate.

 

[CultureCitizen]

3) The US government does-not-spend 50% of the GDP in welfare ... unless you are refering to the bank bailout , plus QE1, QE2 and QE3.

govt here spends about $8trillion so about half of GDP which is a freightening waste of resources. China spends far less so gets the huge growth rates of 7-10% while we get 2%. They will bury us at this rate.

Really?
Pensions : 914 Billion, Healthcare 921 Billion, Welfare 370 Billion . How does that add up 8 trillion ?
It seems to be nor reading nor math are your strong points.

US Federal Budget Actual Spending Breakdown 2009-2014 - Pie Chart

 

[CultureCitizen]

1) We were discussing the similarities between Jefferson's ideas and the Chinese model. So they are not similar right?
.

identical Wen JiaBoa travels with Adam Smith just as Jefferson did although Jefferson loved the French so preferred DeTracy to Smith.

Oh ,you are a lost case !!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

3) The US government does-not-spend 50% of the GDP in welfare ... unless you are refering to the bank bailout , plus QE1, QE2 and QE3.

govt here spends about $8trillion so about half of GDP which is a freightening waste of resources. China spends far less so gets the huge growth rates of 7-10% while we get 2%. They will bury us at this rate.

Really?
Pensions : 914 Billion, Healthcare 921 Billion, Welfare 370 Billion . How does that add up 8 trillion ?
It seems to be nor reading nor math are your strong points.

US Federal Budget Actual Spending Breakdown 2009-2014 - Pie Chart

the feds spend about $4trillion and state local and county spend another 4 trillion. Its about $80,000 per family or half of GDP. Imagine what economic growth and standard of livings would be if each family could spend the $80,000. Capitalism made us all rich but then govt stole all the money.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

1) We were discussing the similarities between Jefferson's ideas and the Chinese model. So they are not similar right?
.

identical Wen JiaBoa travels with Adam Smith just as Jefferson did although Jefferson loved the French so preferred DeTracy to Smith.

Oh ,you are a lost case !!

the views are identical!! Wen JiaBoa travels with Adam Smith's books just as Jefferson did although Jefferson loved the French so preferred DeTracy to Smith.

 

[CultureCitizen]

1) We were discussing the similarities between Jefferson's ideas and the Chinese model. So they are not similar right?
.

identical Wen JiaBoa travels with Adam Smith just as Jefferson did although Jefferson loved the French so preferred DeTracy to Smith.

Oh ,you are a lost case !!

the views are identical!! Wen JiaBoa travels with Adam Smith's books just as Jefferson did although Jefferson loved the French so preferred DeTracy to Smith.

Baiamonte,
We are not discussing whether their philosofical ideas were similar or not but if their ideas traduced into facts are similarar.
They are not.
Wen Jiboa might have ideas "similar" to Adam Smith (as an individual), he may talk about how China will have greater freedom, but, reality does not match his ideas by far.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

, he may talk about how China will have greater freedom, but, reality does not match his ideas by far.

too stupid as always the reality is they have 1000 times more freedom than they had 30 years ago when 10's of millions were slowly starving to death. Imagine what psychological demons must possess the modern slimy liberal to cling so hard to the libcommie remnants that slowly tortured 60 million souls to death. Good luck in your after life.

 

[CultureCitizen]

too stupid as always the reality is they have 1000 times more freedom than they had 30 years ago when 10's of millions were slowly starving to death. Imagine what psychological demons must possess the modern slimy liberal to cling so hard to the libcommie remnants that slowly tortured 60 million souls to death. Good luck in your after life.

Again , we were discussing the similarities of the Chinese model with Jefferson's economic and political ideas. You fail to point out any similarities or admit your comparision was absolutely out of place.
Also in spite of all the evidence provided, you fail to admit that the chinese model is one of state captitalism VERY different from the neoliberal model.

Honestly , you give the kind of answers I expect from a spambot.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You fail to point out any similarities or .

too stupid as always both read and agreed with Adam Smith and moved their countries hugely in that direction.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

you fail to admit that the chinese model is one of state captitalism VERY different from the neoliberal model.
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too stupid as always if they spend 5% on entitlements and we spend 25% they have more capitalism than we do, as well as lower corporate taxes.

 

[CultureCitizen]

too stupid as always if they spend 5% on entitlements and we spend 25% they have more capitalism than we do, as well as lower corporate taxes.

And if 80% of assets of the companies come from public controlled entities , who is more capitalist?

 

[CultureCitizen]

too stupid as always both read and agreed with Adam Smith and moved their countries hugely in that direction.

You have provided not a Iota of evidence of the aforementioned agreement.