Originally posted by sitarro
What exactly is the point of your message? You've rambled on in various directions and didn't respond to the main points.
I'll spell it out for you. In my message the main points were.
1. I agree that we should judge people by their character and not by the color of their skin. And, affirmative action is a remedy for when those judgements fail. Thus it reduces the racial divide.
2. Although marriage is ultimately for procreation. Currently, that's not always the case (irregardless of the gay situation). If you say that marriage should be limited for the purpose of procreation, then their are a number of current marriages that you'd have to break up.
So, in general marriage is for the purpose of two people uniting as a result of a choice. Let's allow people to make their own choices about their lifestyle and grant them the legal rights reflexive of that. I'd suggest giving gays a different word, other than "marriage".
Just because gays have legal rights, doesn't mean yours and my legal rights are affected.
3. Within the last century on the issues that we declared (affirmative action, religious tolerance, gay marriage), the Republican party predominantly takes the position of the oppressive majority.
As in the equal rights amendment, minorities were granted inalienable rights deemed under the Constitution. This was granted by rulings from judges, rather than vote of the public, because of the prejudices of the oppressive majority.
I just can't wait to hear your explanation for the incredible popularity among Republicans for Security Advisor Rice , Secretary of State Powell and Supreme Court Justice Thomas . All three appointed by Republicans , all three self made individuals , all three possessing incredibly powerful minds and skills and all three proud Republicans . . . but all three thought of as sell outs and "Uncle Toms" in the Black community.
Has Thomas ever made a ruling that has been consistent with the viewpoints of the Black community?
Rice has made a choice to be Republican, and she doggedly fulfills that choice with all the passion that she can muster.
Powell is the most interesting one of the lot. Of all the ones mentioned he is the most MODERATELY republican. He is the most liked and accepted amongst the Black community. Recall, that he was so moderate that when people speculated that he might run for the office of the President, nobody knew which party that he'd be affiliated with (Republican, Democrat, or even Independent). He chose not to run for office and he chose to lean Republican.
Also be aware, that Powell was the one, that strove to slow down Bush's tirade to war with Iraq. Powell was the one who led the efforts to increase multi-lateral support, because with his war experience he recognized the value that it would have with regards to dealing with Iraq. Unfortunately, Powell's efforts did not meet with immediate success, and so the Bush attack dogs took over. (wasn't it after just a couple of weeks of effort from Powell???)
Who are the racists?
Oh by the way , Secretary of State Powell and Security Advisor Rice were appointed by President George W. Bush , he depends on these two for the most important decisions he makes every day and Ms. Rice is constantly by his side , how bad do you want him to be racist?
Be cautious. For example, what's one of the first things most racist people say... "I'm not rascist, I have Black friends". That alone, does not mean that you don't have racial tendencies.
But, on the other hand, selecting, coordinating with, and working with 2 blacks on his main staff is definitely a clear sign of non-racial tendencies.
(Of course there is always that perception thing that can often be done for politics: hmmm there is a perception that our constituency is rascist, how can we counter that? Ah... all we have to do is put Blacks at certain positions --- which is really an indirect form of affirmative action by disguise). Just to let you know, I, personally, am not making claims at this time, that that is what occured in this case....
How many years have we heard the same complaints from blacks and the same promises by Democrat politicians ? Yet for some reason blacks overwhelmingly vote for the same B.S. , whose fault is that?
That is too general for anyone to respond to.... you will need to be a little more specific.
My family is from the Deep South , within 40 miles of the Gulf of Mexico , in the middle of Louisiana . Nobody in my ancestory had anything to do with slavery except for the British enslaving MY ancestors in Nova Scotia . Living in the South for most of my 50 years I had never seen anything having to do with the KKK until I moved to Denver , Colorado and saw their rallies on the Capitol steps twice a year . I am so very bored with assholes and their prejudice of the South and the people that live here . You people that feel that way are easily just as ignorant as the people you assume populate these states . You make fun of NASCAR fans , a lot who are black , but you ignore Hockey fans . How many black Hockey players are there . How many blacks are invited to play polo at the Kennedy or Kerry compounds . For that matter , how many blacks , besides servants , ever see the inside of either of those families' compounds . Who makes up the overwhelming majority of the fan base of Tiger Woods , of the NFL , The NBA ? Is snow sking a rasist sport ?I never see blacks or Spanish speaking people on the slopes .
Once again not clear of what you point is.
Are any of you going to try to tell me that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton aren't blatant racists? You know they are . They pre judge white people every time they look at one.
On what are you basing your comments that they are racists? Most of what I've heard them comment on is that they are blatantly against rascism.
Me not liking you for dumb reasons (or vice versa), is not the main issue. You can dislike who you want. But when an oppressive majority prevents or denies benefits to a oppressed minority, then that becomes an issue that often requires resolution.
I'm a 5' 10" white boy , what do you think would happen to me if I tried to get into a pickup basketball game in Watts or Harlem , would I be welcomed with open arms ? [\B]
Hey! I agree with you. Minorities have come to dominate in certain avenues. This is a prime example of rascism being applied against you. You probably don't like it. You may even have come to accept it. Ultimately, it's rascist and shouldn't be tolerated either. If you want to advance a movement to eliminate that rascism, I'd support you in it.
Get your own house in order before you accuse others of such a vile hatred.
Let's advance all reasonable causes for getting houses in order (to maintain your analogy). If you use the we'll fix ours after you fix yours philosophy, nobody's houses will be in order.
I have no doubt that most Republicans would proudly cast a vote for Ms.Rice or General Powell for President tomorrow , I know that all of the Republicans that I know would.
Interesting how you said "most Republicans". It might be interesting to explore that. If they choose not to vote for Rice or Powell for policy reasons, then that's fine. If they choose not to vote for them for racial reasons, then that's exactly the point.
