Is America Breaking Up?

[MaggieMae]

Buchanan and (a little bit of) Scarborough are great as well...it's not like MaggieMae posted something that would be written by Limbaugh or Hannity.

I mean, seriously.

Pat knows a good deal of history and how it applies at all times and Morning Joe isn't exactly a party shill, either.

'Tis true. I love it when Pat Buchanan and Lawrence O'Donnell go at each other. It's almost like watching William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal, but in modern vernacular!

 

[auditor0007]

The biggest problem is that the extreme sides of both parties are controlling the debate in just about every aspect of politics. Pragmatism is not existent and where the middle has been the meeting ground where most has been accomplished in the past, those in the middle will not speak up loud enough to be heard.

Normally this wouldn't be a bad thing. When the fringe elements are in control, nothing seems to ever be accomplished, which under normal circumstances is not all that bad of a thing. However, we currently face three major issues, none of which is being addressed in a cohesive manner. Healthcare, deficit spending, and energy policy are the three most important issues currently, and will be for a long time to come. And yes, we need to address the problems in healthcare, both cost and lack of accessibility, because both will become much worse if we leave it as is. Deficit spending must be slowed and brought under control, even if this means raising taxes at some point. But raising taxes just to spend more is not the answer; spending must be controlled also.

Last of all, we need an aggressive energy policy that will address the shortage of oil that is likely to be seen within the next twenty years. While there is still plenty of oil out there, the ability of producers to bring enough to the world market is diminishing. We will soon see a point when demand becomes greater than supply, which will drive costs through the roof. It will reduce our ability for growth, and could become much worse than just an inconvenience.

We need real answers and real plans to move forward. And no, the market can't just work it all out on its own. At the same time, goverenment can't completely get in the way of the private sector to solve some or part of the problems. We need government working together with the private sector if we hope to steer our way through the murky waters that lie ahead. Continuing to argue that one side or the other is the cause of all of our problems is just stupid and lacks any real perspective, and it certainly won't lead us to the promised land.

We need some real change from everyone involved, and we need everyone to understand that there are no simple answers, and there will need to be some sacrifices made in order to work our way through the current mess and the problems we face down the road. Because in the end, these problems will be passed on to our children and grandchildren, and we do have a responsibility to at least give them a fighting chance.

 

[crpravens]

We're hopefully in the process of choking out liberalism for awhile.

It will never happen. Try being part of the solution, instead of the problem.

What solution? To kill the USA? Liberalism is the enemy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

America breaking up? My wife wants to know with who. She didn't even know the country was dating anybody.

 

[Annie]

oh the democrats 'loved' GHWB speech to schools:

Flashback 1991: Gephardt Called Bush's Speech to Students 'Paid Political Advertising' | NewsBusters.org

goose and gander

Flashback 1991: Gephardt Called Bush's Speech to Students 'Paid Political Advertising'

By Noel Sheppard
Created 2009-09-03 10:45
As Barack Obama prepares a nationwide broadcast to America's students next Tuesday, it has been revealed that Democrats complained in 1991 when then President George H. W. Bush broadcast a speech from a Northwest Washington junior high school.

In fact, the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), said "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students."

Such was reported [1] by the Washington Post on October 3, 1991 (h/t KY3 Political Notebook [2] via Chuck Todd):

House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.

The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader letter [3] concerning this event, one has to assume it's costing the Department a great deal of money.

 

[PI2]

The biggest problem is that the extreme sides of both parties are controlling the debate in just about every aspect of politics. Pragmatism is not existent and where the middle has been the meeting ground where most has been accomplished in the past, those in the middle will not speak up loud enough to be heard.

Normally this wouldn't be a bad thing. When the fringe elements are in control, nothing seems to ever be accomplished, which under normal circumstances is not all that bad of a thing. However, we currently face three major issues, none of which is being addressed in a cohesive manner. Healthcare, deficit spending, and energy policy are the three most important issues currently, and will be for a long time to come. And yes, we need to address the problems in healthcare, both cost and lack of accessibility, because both will become much worse if we leave it as is. Deficit spending must be slowed and brought under control, even if this means raising taxes at some point. But raising taxes just to spend more is not the answer; spending must be controlled also.

Last of all, we need an aggressive energy policy that will address the shortage of oil that is likely to be seen within the next twenty years. While there is still plenty of oil out there, the ability of producers to bring enough to the world market is diminishing. We will soon see a point when demand becomes greater than supply, which will drive costs through the roof. It will reduce our ability for growth, and could become much worse than just an inconvenience.

We need real answers and real plans to move forward. And no, the market can't just work it all out on its own. At the same time, goverenment can't completely get in the way of the private sector to solve some or part of the problems. We need government working together with the private sector if we hope to steer our way through the murky waters that lie ahead. Continuing to argue that one side or the other is the cause of all of our problems is just stupid and lacks any real perspective, and it certainly won't lead us to the promised land.

We need some real change from everyone involved, and we need everyone to understand that there are no simple answers, and there will need to be some sacrifices made in order to work our way through the current mess and the problems we face down the road. Because in the end, these problems will be passed on to our children and grandchildren, and we do have a responsibility to at least give them a fighting chance.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, this is a politics board and common sense is not wanted nor will it be tolerated!

 

[eagleseven]

At least it hasn't come down to this...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdZ0TocTlo]YouTube - korean parliament fight - 22.7.2009. - raw video[/ame]

or this...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0XZlxKuig]YouTube - Parliament fight in Ukraine.[/ame]

or even this...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu8uqMEmyRE]YouTube - Indian Parliament Polititians fight each other[/ame]

The worst we've seen is a representative yelling? Comon...

 

[The T]

We're hopefully in the process of choking out liberalism for awhile.

Indeed. Witness what's going on in DC today? Around the Country? The people are fighting back and justly so. The disease of Liberalism/Statism/Marxism is on notice BY the people.

 

[Shooterman]

Politics has always been adversarial. The propaganda from the election of 1800 was particularly nasty, along with the Hamilton and Burr duel. I think we just have a tendency to look at our own time and view it as the worst.

See, that's just it.

We think of Joe Wilson calling Obama a liar as the unpardonable sin of our time (whether or not it is breaking Congressional protocol), yet some or most probably don't know of that little fencing match.

Personally, if I were Obama, I'd rather be called a liar than be in a fencing match!

Actually it was with pistols, but the idea is the same. You are correct in that Bam Bam got off light.

The only shame is Burr didn't do his deed about 10 years sooner.

 

[PI2]

We're hopefully in the process of choking out liberalism for awhile.

Indeed. Witness what's going on in DC today? Around the Country? The people are fighting back and justly so. The disease of Liberalism/Statism/Marxism is on notice BY the people.

Right, Good job spewing the talking points.

 

[eagleseven]

We're hopefully in the process of choking out liberalism for awhile.

Indeed. Witness what's going on in DC today? Around the Country? The people are fighting back and justly so. The disease of Liberalism/Statism/Marxism is on notice BY the people.

Right, Good job spewing the talking points.

800,000+ people marching on DC...

 

[The T]

We're hopefully in the process of choking out liberalism for awhile.

Indeed. Witness what's going on in DC today? Around the Country? The people are fighting back and justly so. The disease of Liberalism/Statism/Marxism is on notice BY the people.

Right, Good job spewing the talking points.

An astroturfer I see? What talking points? Been watching what's going on in DC and around the country today? This past August?

Strange that one cannot see the wart on their nose when it makes them go crosseyed...but then you're probably one of the ones with their hands out and on Welfare and thinks everyone OWES them a living and "free stuff" at the expense of others sweat equity.

You're dismissed.

 

[PI2]

Indeed. Witness what's going on in DC today? Around the Country? The people are fighting back and justly so. The disease of Liberalism/Statism/Marxism is on notice BY the people.

Right, Good job spewing the talking points.

800,000+ people marching on DC...

800,000 thousand huh.

 

[PI2]

Indeed. Witness what's going on in DC today? Around the Country? The people are fighting back and justly so. The disease of Liberalism/Statism/Marxism is on notice BY the people.

Right, Good job spewing the talking points.

An astroturfer I see? What talking points? Been watching what's going on in DC and around the country today? This past August?

Strange that one cannot see the wart on their nose when it makes them go crosseyed...but then you're probably one of the ones with their hands out and on Welfare and thinks everyone OWES them a living and "free stuff" at the expense of others sweat equity.

You're dismissed.

Yup that's me.
Hey do you like the view I wake up to every morning?

 

[Sidestreamer]

We're hopefully in the process of choking out liberalism for awhile.

It will never happen. Try being part of the solution, instead of the problem.

Liberalism is not the solution, my fine feathered moonbat.

It is the major cause of all of the problems in this country.

Empty rhetoric and hackery has done much worse for us than any single ideology.

 

[concept]

Liberalism is not the solution, my fine feathered moonbat.

It is the major cause of all of the problems in this country.

That is such a stupid statement that shows your ignorance. Left and right are both part of the solution and part of the problem.

Right now the problem is a small group of vocal people who call themselfs Americans but won't accept the election outcome where a Black Liberal won the majority of the votes. These are primarily right wing extreme conservatives who can't deal with this change. Tuff crap to them. You lost the election, live with it just like the left did when the Surpreme Court gave the 2000 election to Bush.

If you can't handle the truth, go home.

Liberalism has been the cause for most advanced changes in this country. Conservatism by its nature wants to cling to the past.

We will survive this just like all other times. If Texas wants to secede, it won't happen.

By the way, Bucahanan is an anachromism.

it's always race with you dopey libs.

This country was founded on conservative principles. In a relatively short time, those conservative principles allowed us to become the best and most powerful country the world has ever seen.

We are now slowly moving left and the further left we go, the worse off we become.

The majority of Americans are probably center right. This is why the bullshitting left must always campaign on conservative principles.


Having said that, I am confident that we can weather the storm, but it won't be because of that idiot Obama, his incompetent picks, his marxist policies, or his sycophantic followers.

 

[veritas]

This country was founded on Liberal principles. What could be more liberal than the forcing out of a colonial monarchy and a global hegemony?

Pat conveniently leaves out stuff he doesn't like. He's a xenophobic drone that pines for the 50's. He's found a rut he likes and stays in it. His grasp/twist on history is very skewed.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

This country was founded on Liberal principles. What could be more liberal than the forcing out of a colonial monarchy and a global hegemony?

Pat conveniently leaves out stuff he doesn't like. He's a xenophobic drone that pines for the 50's. He's found a rut he likes and stays in it. His grasp/twist on history is very skewed.

Classical liberal principles, not modern liberal principles.

 

[Sarah G]

Is America Coming Apart?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
September 11, 2009

Is America, too, breaking up?

Is America Coming Apart? « Patrick J. Buchanan – Official Website

I like Pat but the only ones breaking up are the Republican party. America knows what it collectively wants and the Democrats are trying to give that to them.

 

[eagleseven]

This country was founded on Liberal principles. What could be more liberal than the forcing out of a colonial monarchy and a global hegemony?

Pat conveniently leaves out stuff he doesn't like. He's a xenophobic drone that pines for the 50's. He's found a rut he likes and stays in it. His grasp/twist on history is very skewed.

Classical liberalism has no relation with the modern liberalism of the Democratic party. Classical liberals include Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and Milton Friedman.

I don't see the Democratic party celebrating the classical liberalism of any of those men.