Iran throws Hamas under the bus

[g5000]

MSN

Iran has said, although they provide Hamas with hundreds of millions of dollars a year to destroy Israel, they will not intervene in the conflict because they said Hamas did not tell them about the attack beforehand.



Translation, Iran is not ready to directly take on Israel and the US without a WMD, in addition to Russia and China ready to do the same.

Just give them a little more time.

The article then goes on to say that a 2 state solution is now more likely. Really? What would that look like? It would look like the people of Gaza re-electing another terrorist group to represent them that is also funded by Iran to destroy Israel.

Hilarious.

A two state solution is not possible until Hamas and Hezbollah are wiped out.

 

[surada]

Sunni Muslims aren't seen as a threat to Iran's government, especially ones all the way over in Palestine.

Israel is 1200 miles from Iran..and Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt and the Gulf states reject them.

 

[Lesh]

A two state solution is not possible until Hamas and Hezbollah are wiped out.

Hamas certainly. And that WILL happen

 

[surada]

Thats not what it means to arabs

They want a right of return from the river to the sea

From the Jordan River to the Wadi el-Arish. That's the biblical border with Egypt. Israel wants a piece of Lebanon and Syria.

 

[surada]

Hamas certainly. And that WILL happen

The only reason Hezbollah exists is to keep Israel out of Lebanon. Hamas is part of Netanyahu's strategy to prevent there ever being a 2 state solution.

 

[irosie91]

The only reason Hezbollah exists is to keep Israel out of Lebanon. Hamas is part of Netanyahu's strategy to prevent there ever being a 2 state solution.

^^^^ typical islamo nazi sophistry Long ago----I read in the islamo nazi
propaganda that littered the Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian town of
my childhood ------"BANKS EXIST SO THAT ZIONISTS CAN CONTROL THE WORLD"---
and "FLORIDATION OF DRINKING WATER IS A ZIONIST PLOT"

 

[Edgetho]

Hamas is a Sunni organization, right? Yes, it is. Iran is Shia. They're not especially fond of each other. Haven't been for around 1,300 years.

Iran supports Hamas only as long as Hamas serves Iran's purpose.

In 1944, The Germans were retreating and so the Soviets told the anti-communist Poles in Warsaw to revolt against the Germans because the Soviet Army was going to show up in a couple of days and wipe the Germans out. The Patriotic Poles were silly enough to believe communists! Something you should NEVER do. Ever. Never. Not ever.

At the same time, they told their communist scum buddies to stay put, don't engage the Germans. Because the scumbag Soviets had no intention of helping out the normal Poles. They wanted them wiped out.

They were. Completely. It was bad, really bad.

Meanwhile, the communist scum survived. At that point it became abundantly clear who would rule over Poland after the Germans were gone.

Iran used Hamas. They didn't care what happened to them then, they don't care what happens to them now. They hurt Israel, they helped their butthole buddies in Russia, they hurt the USA. Plus, because we have the SCUM OF THE EARTH in DC, they got Billions upon BILLIONS of dollars out of the deal.

And now, Iran is going to move in and try to take over Gaza. betcha

 

[Mac-7]

Man are they lucky to have you thinking and speaking for them

Better than a lib like you who wants to sell them out to their enemy

 

[Lord Long Rod]

MSN

Iran has said, although they provide Hamas with hundreds of millions of dollars a year to destroy Israel, they will not intervene in the conflict because they said Hamas did not tell them about the attack beforehand.



Translation, Iran is not ready to directly take on Israel and the US without a WMD, in addition to Russia and China ready to do the same.

Just give them a little more time.

The article then goes on to say that a 2 state solution is now more likely. Really? What would that look like? It would look like the people of Gaza re-electing another terrorist group to represent them that is also funded by Iran to destroy Israel.

Hilarious.

Iran is acting like the French now.

 

[elektra]

“That” is a fantasy.

What needs to be addressed is a two state solution. Period.

Any “right to return” would be to that newly created state… NOT to Israel

Why a two state solution, is there not something else, better.

 

[wamose]

Saudi peace initiative

The Arab Peace Initiative returns. Will it supplant the Abraham Accords?

Although the Abraham Accords have been the main focus of Arab-Israeli peace-making since they were signed, the Arab Peace Initiative (API), introduced by the late Saudi King Abdullah 20 years ago, remains relevant and may be the better reflection of a path forward for Middle East peace

www.mei.edu

Complete Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in 1967, including the Golan Heights, based on United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) 242 and 338;

A just settlement of the Palestinian refugee question on the basis of UNSCR 194; and

Recognition of East Jerusalem as the capital of an independent Palestinian state.

In exchange for those measures, the member states of the Arab League would:

Declare an end to the Israeli-Arab conflict, entering into a peace agreement with Israel; and

Establish normal relations with the State of Israel.

Thus, the initiative is, in fact, a basic formula outlining principles for negotiations and a political settlement but one that leaves maneuvering room for different meanings and practical solutions. For example, it was determined that the solution to the “Palestinian refugee problem” should be “agreed upon.”

Another example is the lack of a demand for the evacuation of all Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which is intended to leave room for flexibility regarding arrangements for the blocks bordering Israel. Indeed, Saudi Foreign Minister Saud Al Faisal noted in 2007 that the member states would have “to take notice of new developments, which require additions and developments in whatever is offered.”

As only 10 of the Arab League’s member states were present at the Beirut Summit, the API was reintroduced at the 2007 Riyadh Summit and unanimously endorsed by the member states.

(Syria and Lebanon objected to some aspects of the initiative but supported the document.

The Hamas representative abstained.) It remains to this day the single peace plan agreed by all members of the Arab League.

The varied Israeli response versus support from the international community

Israeli political leaders have addressed the API in a variety of ways since it was first introduced.

Ariel Sharon, the prime minister at the time, flatly rejected the proposal on the grounds that it would require Israel to accept a large number of Palestinian refugees and that it crossed Israeli “red lines.” Nevertheless, subsequent Israeli responses have been more ambivalent.

The late Israeli President Shimon Peres welcomed the plan, and then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert termed it a “revolutionary change,” while rejecting the elements related to refugee returns.

For his part, former head of government Benjamin Netanyahu has offered a variety of opinions on the plan over the years, rejecting it in 2007, calling it as a “general idea … good” in 2015, but then rejecting it again as a basis for negotiations in 2018.

Continued

Every time these so called Palestinians decide to attack their Jewish neighbors because they're jealous, or feeling inferior, or feeling slighted, their murder spree ends up losing them land. This time they massacred 1400 innocent people in sadistically inhuman ways. So now, they're going to deservedly lose some very nice beachfront property. When the hell are these people going to get smart? They should be learning from Israelis, not trying to destroy them. So in the end, Israel will take over at least a part of Gaza, and in 20 years it will be one of the nicest beachfront destinations in the world. The transformation will be as drastic as SF's cleanup for Xi's visit.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Love it!!

"Hamas did not tell us their plans, beforehand. Because of this we will not intervene."


TRANSLATION: 'We do not wish to be destroyed by Israel and the U.S., therefore we will run and hide'

 

[DigitalDrifter]

“That” is a fantasy.

What needs to be addressed is a two state solution. Period.

Any “right to return” would be to that newly created state… NOT to Israel

And there was a two-state solution, the Israeli's agreed to it, but Arafat shot it down! P-E-R-I-O-D!!!!!!!!!!

"By the end of the year, Clinton brought the two sides to the White House. At the pivotal meeting in December, he slowly read aloud the peace plan that would come to be known as the Clinton Parameters. It called for uncomfortable sacrifices from both parties but gave each side what the U.S. negotiators believed they needed.
A few days later, the Israeli cabinet voted to accept the plan. Yasir Arafat did what he generally did. He never said no, but he never said yes. The Saudi and Egyptian ambassadors in Washington strongly pressured him to agree to a deal, but perhaps feeling pressure from back home or sensing where Palestinian public opinion was or feeling that the provisions for the refugees were insufficient, Arafat dallied. Momentum was frittered away. Just before Clinton left office, he had one of his final conversations with Arafat. Arafat told him he was a great man. According to his memoir, Clinton replied: “I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you have made me one.”
Arafat’s nondecision further discredited the peace camp in Israel, suggesting that if he wouldn’t go for this, he would never go for any negotiated settlement. Sharon soared to victory in the next election. In “The Missing Peace,” Ross’s definitive 872-page history of this period, Ross concluded that Arafat never transformed himself from a guerrilla outsider to the kind of leader capable of forming and governing a nation. The Palestinians “surely were betrayed in the past, and they surely have suffered,” Ross wrote. “But they have also helped to ensure their status as victims. Never seizing opportunities when they presented themselves. Blaming others for their predicament. Declaring unmistakable defeats as victories.”

Opinion | The Missed Chance for Peace (Published 2023)

It’s hard not to wonder whether today’s suffering could have been avoided if in 2000 Palestinians had taken the offer of a path toward statehood.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Lesh]

And there was a two-state solution, the Israeli's agreed to it, but Arafat shot it down! P-E-R-I-O-D!!!!!!!!!!




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"By the end of the year, Clinton brought the two sides to the White House. At the pivotal meeting in December, he slowly read aloud the peace plan that would come to be known as the Clinton Parameters. It called for uncomfortable sacrifices from both parties but gave each side what the U.S. negotiators believed they needed.
A few days later, the Israeli cabinet voted to accept the plan. Yasir Arafat did what he generally did. He never said no, but he never said yes. The Saudi and Egyptian ambassadors in Washington strongly pressured him to agree to a deal, but perhaps feeling pressure from back home or sensing where Palestinian public opinion was or feeling that the provisions for the refugees were insufficient, Arafat dallied. Momentum was frittered away. Just before Clinton left office, he had one of his final conversations with Arafat. Arafat told him he was a great man. According to his memoir, Clinton replied: “I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you have made me one.”
Arafat’s nondecision further discredited the peace camp in Israel, suggesting that if he wouldn’t go for this, he would never go for any negotiated settlement. Sharon soared to victory in the next election. In “The Missing Peace,” Ross’s definitive 872-page history of this period, Ross concluded that Arafat never transformed himself from a guerrilla outsider to the kind of leader capable of forming and governing a nation. The Palestinians “surely were betrayed in the past, and they surely have suffered,” Ross wrote. “But they have also helped to ensure their status as victims. Never seizing opportunities when they presented themselves. Blaming others for their predicament. Declaring unmistakable defeats as victories.”

Opinion | The Missed Chance for Peace (Published 2023)

It’s hard not to wonder whether today’s suffering could have been avoided if in 2000 Palestinians had taken the offer of a path toward statehood.

www.nytimes.com

Fucking jackass.
A. Arafat is dead. Long dead

B. He never “shot it down”. He dithered

C. Bibi and Likud have long made it a nonstarter

 

[Lesh]

Why a two state solution, is there not something else, better.

Like what? Endless apartheid?

 

[elektra]

Like what? Endless apartheid?

what do you mean by apartheid?

 

[Lesh]

what do you mean by apartheid?

Is your Google machine broken? Look it up

 

[elektra]

Is your Google machine broken? Look it up

Google will tell me what you think Apartheid is?

 

[Lesh]

Google will tell me what you think Apartheid is?

It will tell you what apartheid is yes. I KNOW what it is.

 

[Pastelli]

MSN

Iran has said, although they provide Hamas with hundreds of millions of dollars a year to destroy Israel, they will not intervene in the conflict because they said Hamas did not tell them about the attack beforehand.



Translation, Iran is not ready to directly take on Israel and the US without a WMD, in addition to Russia and China ready to do the same.

Just give them a little more time.

The article then goes on to say that a 2 state solution is now more likely. Really? What would that look like? It would look like the people of Gaza re-electing another terrorist group to represent them that is also funded by Iran to destroy Israel.

Hilarious.

Bibi , rightfully, clarified yesterday to CBS Evening News, there beedsto be a cultural change in Gaza.