International Law: Jerusalem Belongs To Israel

so, which is this amazing international law that says Jerusalem belongs to Israel?
You have asserted that no international treaty is recognized unless registered at the UN.

You have been asked to demonstrate your assertion by applying it to the START treaty, which went into effect in 1991, and which was reaffirmed by the Russian Federation after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and which remained in effect until 2009, a mere four (4) years ago, well within the boundaries of timeliness and relevance.

Please substantiate your assertion.

That substantiation may have a very great bearing upon whether the audience judges it prudent and acceptable to take your assertions about International Law at face value.

In turn, your credibility pertaining to International Law will have some considerable bearing upon the validity of your remarks pertaining to Israeli matters, including control and sovereignty over Jerusalem.

You have the floor.

Impress us.
 
so, which is this amazing international law that says Jerusalem belongs to Israel?
You have asserted that no international treaty is recognized unless registered at the UN.

Let me rephrase that.

No international treaty signed before the ratification of the UN Charter, is valid until it is registered with the UN.
 
You have asserted that no international treaty is recognized unless registered at the UN.

Let me rephrase that.

No international treaty signed before the ratification of the UN Charter, is valid until it is registered with the UN.
Who told you that? I have to see a document.

First show me the currently valid international law that says Jerusalem belongs to Israel.

Then I'll play with your little ball.
 
Oh really? So if Ireland wants to make a treaty with Botswana -- it needs UN APPROVAL???
Or if the US Senate ratifies a Nuclear Treaty with Pakistan -- they have to divulge all the sensitive intelligience that went into that decision to the UN ??? Don't think so Bunky...

No treaty gets any international respect or recognition, until it is registered with the UN.

and no international law or treaty gives Jerusalem to Israel.

sorry asshole.

That's a rather simplistic view ----- jackass... :badgrin:
The Court of the Hague (UN org) and the UN in gereral are there to HEAR DISPUTES concerning International Law --- NOT to sanction and stamp EVERY SINGLE ******* treaty with their approval..

Register a military arms treaty with the UN?? Not required.. Register an Annexation? Not required. DISPUTES over those treaties? Well then they act as ONE OF MANY places to go to for arbitration...
 
so, which is this amazing international law that says Jerusalem belongs to Israel?
You have asserted that no international treaty is recognized unless registered at the UN.

Let me rephrase that.
Yes, I think you'd better.

We may now confidently disregard your assertion that no international treaty is valid until it is registered with the UN.

No international treaty signed before the ratification of the UN Charter, is valid until it is registered with the UN.

I repeat my earlier question.

What agency does one go to, to 'register' a treaty with the UN?

What process(es) does one undertake, to 'register' a treaty with the UN?

Can you serve-up an example of a treaty, ratified prior to the issuance of the UN Charter in July 1945, which was 'registered' with the UN?

Perhaps, in identifying such a treaty, you can answer the questions pertaining to (1) the agency within the UN and (2) the process(es), yes?

The floor is still yours.

Impress us.
 
Oh really? So if Ireland wants to make a treaty with Botswana -- it needs UN APPROVAL???
Or if the US Senate ratifies a Nuclear Treaty with Pakistan -- they have to divulge all the sensitive intelligience that went into that decision to the UN ??? Don't think so Bunky...

No treaty gets any international respect or recognition, until it is registered with the UN.

and no international law or treaty gives Jerusalem to Israel.

sorry asshole.

That's a rather simplistic view ----- jackass... :badgrin:
The Court of the Hague (UN org) and the UN in gereral are there to HEAR DISPUTES concerning International Law --- NOT to sanction and stamp EVERY SINGLE ******* treaty with their approval..

Register a military arms treaty with the UN?? Not required.. Register an Annexation? Not required. DISPUTES over those treaties? Well then they act as ONE OF MANY places to go to for arbitration...
Exactly. :clap2:
This guy thinks the UN is like an international notary public. Ha ha ha.
 
Maybe there is.

Maybe there isn't.
If you don't know, then you ain't got the chops to even be in this conversation.

Nice exercise in taking something out-of-context, little Palestinian propaganda shill.

The entire segment (and the point being made therein) reads as follows...

"There is no international law that says Jerusalem belongs to Israel..."
Maybe there is.

Maybe there isn't.

But it doesn't matter.

Israel holds it, and will continue to hold it.

It's theirs now.

The point of the exercise being that Jerusalem is back in the hands of the Jews again for the first time in 1900-some-odd years, and that it's going to stay that way, now.

You're very welcome to believe that I don't have the 'chops' to be in this conversation. I do love it so when arrogant Goebbels-wannabes like yourself make that mistake.

I merely point-out that the existence of International Law supporting or contesting Israel's right to Jerusalem doesn't matter a damn in the Real World that most of us (with a few exceptions, such as yourself) inhabit.

Jerusalem is the Heart and Soul of Eretz Yisrael and you may never have it back again, without destroying Israel and climbing over the dead bodies of its Jews, in order to get it.

Metaphorically speaking, the Jews of the world have been singing 'Next year in Jerusalem' since 70 A.D.

And then they made that a Reality in 1967, after the Jordanians so foolishly attacked them, and got their nasty asses kicked, and lost the West Bank and the Holy City to the Jews.

Both sides may bring elements of International Law to bear upon the question, and both sides may interpret that law and the conditions such law observes and establishes, in order to reinforce their claims, so that it becomes another hopelessly tangled mess.

But Israel has chosen to simply cut the Gordian Knot in this case, rather than condemning itself to a fruitless and pointless exercise in trying to un-tie it.

In the final analysis, possession is 9/10 of the law, and the power to sustain that possession is the other 1/10 - and the Israelis own that poker hand in the Real World, not the Palestinians.

Between that Reality, and having waited 1900 years to get Jerusalem back, anyone who genuinely believes that International Law - one way or another - has any substantive and operative bearing upon the Jews' continued possession of Jerusalem, is as foolish as the Jordanians who gave the Israelis the excuse they needed to take it all back - for keeps.

That, too, was the point being made, for anyone of even average intelligence who has been engaged in related conversations over time, and who truly understood what they were dealing with, in connection with the value placed upon Jerusalem, and the non-negotiable status of the Holy City, in the hearts and minds of most Jews worthy of the name.

The fact that you cherry-picked a fragment of that modest, plain-spoken and inter-dependent text segment, and ignored the meat (substance) of the thing, in connection with so significant a point, just to take a cheap shot at someone, speaks volumes about your intellectual integrity and your own 'street-cred' for participating in such discussions with the grownups.

Back to the Kiddie Table for you, child... try again later, once you've thought things through a little better.
 
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Crickets...

You have asserted that no international treaty is recognized unless registered at the UN.

Let me rephrase that.
Yes, I think you'd better.

We may now confidently disregard your assertion that no international treaty is valid until it is registered with the UN.

No international treaty signed before the ratification of the UN Charter, is valid until it is registered with the UN.

I repeat my earlier question.

What agency does one go to, to 'register' a treaty with the UN?

What process(es) does one undertake, to 'register' a treaty with the UN?

Can you serve-up an example of a treaty, ratified prior to the issuance of the UN Charter in July 1945, which was 'registered' with the UN?

Perhaps, in identifying such a treaty, you can answer the questions pertaining to (1) the agency within the UN and (2) the process(es), yes?

The floor is still yours.

Impress us.

Your street-cred pertaining to International Law (and how this impacts upon Israeli possession of Jerusalem) hangs in the balance...
 
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Nice exercise in taking something out-of-context, little Palestinian propaganda shill.

The entire segment (and the point being made therein) reads as follows...


Maybe there is.

Maybe there isn't.

But it doesn't matter.

Israel holds it, and will continue to hold it.

It's theirs now.

The point of the exercise being that Jerusalem is back in the hands of the Jews again for the first time in 1900-some-odd years, and that it's going to stay that way, now.

You're very welcome to believe that I don't have the 'chops' to be in this conversation. I do love it so when arrogant Goebbels-wannabes like yourself make that mistake.

I merely point-out that the existence of International Law supporting or contesting Israel's right to Jerusalem doesn't matter a damn in the Real World that most of us (with a few exceptions, such as yourself) inhabit.

Jerusalem is the Heart and Soul of Eretz Yisrael and you may never have it back again, without destroying Israel and climbing over the dead bodies of its Jews, in order to get it.

Metaphorically speaking, the Jews of the world have been singing 'Next year in Jerusalem' since 70 A.D.

And then they made that a Reality in 1967, after the Jordanians so foolishly attacked them, and got their nasty asses kicked, and lost the West Bank and the Holy City to the Jews.

Both sides may bring elements of International Law to bear upon the question, and both sides may interpret that law and the conditions such law observes and establishes, in order to reinforce their claims, so that it becomes another hopelessly tangled mess.

But Israel has chosen to simply cut the Gordian Knot in this case, rather than condemning itself to a fruitless and pointless exercise in trying to un-tie it.

In the final analysis, possession is 9/10 of the law, and the power to sustain that possession is the other 1/10 - and the Israelis own that poker hand in the Real World, not the Palestinians.

Between that Reality, and having waited 1900 years to get Jerusalem back, anyone who genuinely believes that International Law - one way or another - has any substantive and operative bearing upon the Jews' continued possession of Jerusalem, is as foolish as the Jordanians who gave the Israelis the excuse they needed to take it all back - for keeps.

That, too, was the point being made, for anyone of even average intelligence who has been engaged in related conversations over time, and who truly understood what they were dealing with, in connection with the value placed upon Jerusalem, and the non-negotiable status of the Holy City, in the hearts and minds of most Jews worthy of the name.

The fact that you cherry-picked a fragment of that modest, plain-spoken and inter-dependent text segment, and ignored the meat (substance) of the thing, in connection with so significant a point, just to take a cheap shot at someone, speaks volumes about your intellectual integrity and your own 'street-cred' for participating in such discussions with the grownups.

Back to the Kiddie Table for you, child... try again later, once you've thought things through a little better.
Damage control.

If asked you to name 5 international laws that apply to Israel/Palestine, I bet you couldn't do it.

You don't know, you're just faking your way through this and wasting peoples bandwidth.
 
Nice exercise in taking something out-of-context, little Palestinian propaganda shill.

The entire segment (and the point being made therein) reads as follows...


Maybe there is.

Maybe there isn't.

But it doesn't matter.

Israel holds it, and will continue to hold it.

It's theirs now.

The point of the exercise being that Jerusalem is back in the hands of the Jews again for the first time in 1900-some-odd years, and that it's going to stay that way, now.

You're very welcome to believe that I don't have the 'chops' to be in this conversation. I do love it so when arrogant Goebbels-wannabes like yourself make that mistake.

I merely point-out that the existence of International Law supporting or contesting Israel's right to Jerusalem doesn't matter a damn in the Real World that most of us (with a few exceptions, such as yourself) inhabit.

Jerusalem is the Heart and Soul of Eretz Yisrael and you may never have it back again, without destroying Israel and climbing over the dead bodies of its Jews, in order to get it.

Metaphorically speaking, the Jews of the world have been singing 'Next year in Jerusalem' since 70 A.D.

And then they made that a Reality in 1967, after the Jordanians so foolishly attacked them, and got their nasty asses kicked, and lost the West Bank and the Holy City to the Jews.

Both sides may bring elements of International Law to bear upon the question, and both sides may interpret that law and the conditions such law observes and establishes, in order to reinforce their claims, so that it becomes another hopelessly tangled mess.

But Israel has chosen to simply cut the Gordian Knot in this case, rather than condemning itself to a fruitless and pointless exercise in trying to un-tie it.

In the final analysis, possession is 9/10 of the law, and the power to sustain that possession is the other 1/10 - and the Israelis own that poker hand in the Real World, not the Palestinians.

Between that Reality, and having waited 1900 years to get Jerusalem back, anyone who genuinely believes that International Law - one way or another - has any substantive and operative bearing upon the Jews' continued possession of Jerusalem, is as foolish as the Jordanians who gave the Israelis the excuse they needed to take it all back - for keeps.

That, too, was the point being made, for anyone of even average intelligence who has been engaged in related conversations over time, and who truly understood what they were dealing with, in connection with the value placed upon Jerusalem, and the non-negotiable status of the Holy City, in the hearts and minds of most Jews worthy of the name.

The fact that you cherry-picked a fragment of that modest, plain-spoken and inter-dependent text segment, and ignored the meat (substance) of the thing, in connection with so significant a point, just to take a cheap shot at someone, speaks volumes about your intellectual integrity and your own 'street-cred' for participating in such discussions with the grownups.

Back to the Kiddie Table for you, child... try again later, once you've thought things through a little better.
Damage control.

If asked you to name 5 international laws that apply to Israel/Palestine, I bet you couldn't do it.

You don't know, you're just faking your way through this and wasting peoples bandwidth.

So Bill, when are you giving your land back to the indians?
 
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Since the influx of terrorist Muslim countries joined the UN, the Un has become worthless to all the peace loving nations on this earth. Time for the USA & our allied countries to get out.



Oh really? So if Ireland wants to make a treaty with Botswana -- it needs UN APPROVAL???
Or if the US Senate ratifies a Nuclear Treaty with Pakistan -- they have to divulge all the sensitive intelligience that went into that decision to the UN ??? Don't think so Bunky...

No treaty gets any international respect or recognition, until it is registered with the UN.

and no international law or treaty gives Jerusalem to Israel.

sorry asshole.
 
Nice exercise in taking something out-of-context, little Palestinian propaganda shill.

The entire segment (and the point being made therein) reads as follows...


Maybe there is.

Maybe there isn't.

But it doesn't matter.

Israel holds it, and will continue to hold it.

It's theirs now.

The point of the exercise being that Jerusalem is back in the hands of the Jews again for the first time in 1900-some-odd years, and that it's going to stay that way, now.

You're very welcome to believe that I don't have the 'chops' to be in this conversation. I do love it so when arrogant Goebbels-wannabes like yourself make that mistake.

I merely point-out that the existence of International Law supporting or contesting Israel's right to Jerusalem doesn't matter a damn in the Real World that most of us (with a few exceptions, such as yourself) inhabit.

Jerusalem is the Heart and Soul of Eretz Yisrael and you may never have it back again, without destroying Israel and climbing over the dead bodies of its Jews, in order to get it.

Metaphorically speaking, the Jews of the world have been singing 'Next year in Jerusalem' since 70 A.D.

And then they made that a Reality in 1967, after the Jordanians so foolishly attacked them, and got their nasty asses kicked, and lost the West Bank and the Holy City to the Jews.

Both sides may bring elements of International Law to bear upon the question, and both sides may interpret that law and the conditions such law observes and establishes, in order to reinforce their claims, so that it becomes another hopelessly tangled mess.

But Israel has chosen to simply cut the Gordian Knot in this case, rather than condemning itself to a fruitless and pointless exercise in trying to un-tie it.

In the final analysis, possession is 9/10 of the law, and the power to sustain that possession is the other 1/10 - and the Israelis own that poker hand in the Real World, not the Palestinians.

Between that Reality, and having waited 1900 years to get Jerusalem back, anyone who genuinely believes that International Law - one way or another - has any substantive and operative bearing upon the Jews' continued possession of Jerusalem, is as foolish as the Jordanians who gave the Israelis the excuse they needed to take it all back - for keeps.

That, too, was the point being made, for anyone of even average intelligence who has been engaged in related conversations over time, and who truly understood what they were dealing with, in connection with the value placed upon Jerusalem, and the non-negotiable status of the Holy City, in the hearts and minds of most Jews worthy of the name.

The fact that you cherry-picked a fragment of that modest, plain-spoken and inter-dependent text segment, and ignored the meat (substance) of the thing, in connection with so significant a point, just to take a cheap shot at someone, speaks volumes about your intellectual integrity and your own 'street-cred' for participating in such discussions with the grownups.

Back to the Kiddie Table for you, child... try again later, once you've thought things through a little better.
Damage control.

If asked you to name 5 international laws that apply to Israel/Palestine, I bet you couldn't do it.

You don't know, you're just faking your way through this and wasting peoples bandwidth.





Geneva conventions and UN charter are the two mains ones that the Palestinians are breaking
 
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