International Law: Jerusalem Belongs To Israel
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Hossfly
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Kaboom!!!
I half-agree with you, anyway, in that there is no overarching authority with the requisite consistency, neutrality, objectivity, universal recognition and ability to enforce its rulings and decisions - which would make International Law fully operative in all respects.
International Law is good for regulating commerce and resolving minor differences between nations and for defining and prosecuting a variety of heinous criminal offenses and for punishing the hapless losers who initiate wars of aggression, but it has a long way to go before it becomes universally operative in all respects across the globe, its application and enforcement is spotty at best, and it is largely a voluntary arrangement for all practical purposes, on both the macro and micro levels.
We'll probably get there - the entire planet governed by International Law - within the next couple of centuries, given that we've been trying since the old League of Nations initiative - a mere 90 years and a new thing as History measures time - and every World Crisis is another opportunity to grow and reinforce the idea of International Law, as a future mechanism for governing the planet in a more unified and egalitarian fashion.
Before that happens, though, there are probably a dozen or more Conflicts underway, or waiting in the wings, of a serious nature - between entire Peoples - around the world, that are probably going to have to be either fought-out, or talked-out, before 'everybody' has at least a little slice of the planet to call their own, and before those involved are willing to allow International Law to preside over their own existence or right-to-survive or right to call some place their own.
As an outside observer and non-stakeholder, the Jews of this world strike me as one such group who are either going to have to finish fighting-it-out or talking-it-out (or both), to carve-out a little slice of Planet Earth for themselves, and to ensure their existence and long-term survival as a People, before they're willing to submit to International Law as an overarching authority, in all respects.
As an outside observer and non-stakeholder, it strikes me that the Israelis do a damned fine job of respecting and abiding by International Law, insofar as it does not interfere with their existence or their long-term survival or their Reconquista (which is merely an aspect of their long-term survival tactics), and are a generous and congenial partner in a wide variety of activities and pursuits and issues on the world stage.
The opponents of the Jews of Israel would use International Law to effectively prevent the Israelis from doing what every other People on the face of the planet have done - namely, carve out a tiny slice of the planet for themselves.
To this outside observer, it seems as if the Jews are saying, collective, as a reaction to such a new-fangled legal barrier to creating their own place on Earth:
"Screw that. We deserve our little piece of the planet, too, after what the rest of the world has put us through, and we are taking it, whether you like it or not. We will be as 'good' as we can and we will be the best international 'neighbors' that we can but we will not abide by one-sided laws and rules that work against us and against our survival as a people or the extent or defensibility of that little slice of Earth that we are carving out for ourselves.
And if that means we have to violate or stretch a few so-called international laws that could otherwise be used by our enemies as impediments to our survival or the extent or defensibility of our Resurrected Homeland, then that's the way it's going to go down, whether you approve or not. Survival first, legal nicities second. Don't like that? Too bad. You can either (1) look the other way, (2) piss and moan and do nothing, (3) try to strangle us into submission through sanctions, or (4) attack us and compel us, by force of arms."
So far, the world is mostly doing (1), with a little bit of (2) tossed-in for good measure. There has been a move underway since 2005 relating to (3) but it's a teeny-tiny little circus flea and hasn't amounted to anything in 9 years of trying and is going nowhere. The Arabs can tell us how well Option (4) has worked for them, and there will be no Coalition Cavalry coming over hill, from beyond the domains of Islam, interested in tangling with the Israelis.
So, the world will continue to pursue a combination of (1) and (2), and largely do nothing, and the Isrealis will continue to do the best job that they can of observing and abiding-by International Law, for the sake of both Ethics and Public Relations, insofar as such Law does not interfere with the Survival of Israel, or the Extent and Defensibility of its Resurrected Homeland. In instances where a conflict exists between International Law and those macro-level un-touchables, Survival and Defensibility first, legal nicities second.
The Muslims have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
The Christians have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
The Hindus have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
The Buddhists have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
Other belief-systems have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
And then 'The World' puts up barriers that some would use to prevent the Jews from having theirs...
This is the internationally-recognized mechanism (below) by which the Jews have carved-out (reclaimed) their own land and holy places, and what they will use to finish consolidating it and holding it for many generations to come, against any who would deny them the same rights to a full and defensible slice of Planet Earth to call their own, that 'most everybody else on the face of the planet already enjoys...
And I - and a great many other outsiders - don't blame 'em one little bit, for finally seizing their destiny back into their own hands, rather than 'relying upon the kindness of strangers' and the so-called and ethereal protections of law, when it endangers them... something that hasn't worked well for them in 2000 years of trying...
After having 6,000,000 of their men, women and children slaughtered like sheep within living memory, the Jews of this world finally got pissed-off enough - and had nothing left to lose - to rediscover their collective courage and political identity as a People, and - finally, after 2000 years - began fighting for themselves again.
Surprisingly - to themselves, and to the rest of the world - turns out that they're damned good at it, after all - to the constant delight of those who wish them well, and to the constant despair fo those who oppose them.
After nearly being wiped off the face of the Earth in Europe within living memory...
The Israeli (Jewish) underdog has served-up one helluva marvelous and delightful Comeback Kid story...
The Christians have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
The Hindus have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
The Buddhists have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
Other belief-systems have theirs (lands and holy places to call their own)...
And then 'The World' puts up barriers that some would use to prevent the Jews from having theirs...
This is the internationally-recognized mechanism (below) by which the Jews have carved-out (reclaimed) their own land and holy places, and what they will use to finish consolidating it and holding it for many generations to come, against any who would deny them the same rights to a full and defensible slice of Planet Earth to call their own, that 'most everybody else on the face of the planet already enjoys...
And I - and a great many other outsiders - don't blame 'em one little bit, for finally seizing their destiny back into their own hands, rather than 'relying upon the kindness of strangers' and the so-called and ethereal protections of law, when it endangers them... something that hasn't worked well for them in 2000 years of trying...
After having 6,000,000 of their men, women and children slaughtered like sheep within living memory, the Jews of this world finally got pissed-off enough - and had nothing left to lose - to rediscover their collective courage and political identity as a People, and - finally, after 2000 years - began fighting for themselves again.
Surprisingly - to themselves, and to the rest of the world - turns out that they're damned good at it, after all - to the constant delight of those who wish them well, and to the constant despair fo those who oppose them.
After nearly being wiped off the face of the Earth in Europe within living memory...
The Israeli (Jewish) underdog has served-up one helluva marvelous and delightful Comeback Kid story...
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After nearly being wiped off the face of the Earth in Europe within living memory...
Helluvan underdog comeback story...
The Holocaust is ancient history. Stop playing that old worn out card.
You obviously dont know what 'playing the Hocaust card' means, do you Nazi shill?
There are scores of thousands of people still alive today who were victims of that horrific pogrom... a.k.a., "within living memory".After nearly being wiped off the face of the Earth in Europe within living memory...
Helluvan underdog comeback story...
The Holocaust is ancient history. Stop playing that old worn out card.
It's not ancient history... it's recent history that people can still remember.
The Holocaust is the reason that Israel exists.
The Holocaust is the reason why most of the rest of the world cuts Israel so much slack.
The Holocaust is a living, breathing part of the Recent History of Man, and the State of Israel.
You are welcome to ignore or deny it or to minimize its importance.
However, to understand your adversaries, you must first understand what motivates them, and what lies behind their stalwart defense of their position.
Set it aside if you like.
The rest of us, however, are not obliged to abide by your personal choices - and choose to live in a Reality which holds the Holocaust to be an integral part of such discussions.
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That's nice. Next slide, please.
Yes, yes, yes... very nice, I'm sure. Thank you for expressing your opinion.
ForeverYoung436
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Most people grow up with 2 sides of their families'--father's and mother's. I never knew my dad's side of the family. The more I read of the Holocaust, the more unbelievable it becomes. Netanyahu was right when he said that if the state of Israel had existed in the 1930's-40's, the Holocaust would never have happened.
And here lies the big irony (and tragedy) behind the creation of the state of Israel:
One would imagine that the victims of the worst supremacist state in recent History would be the last ones to impose a supremacist state on others.
Let's be clear.José;8750685 said:
The Israelis are not imposing a 'supremacist state'.
They are merely trying to chase a hostile subset of the Old Owners off the land, so that they can have their own State in peace, and so that the Old Owners can build new lives for themselves someplace else, where they're wanted, once they give up their pointless and doomed intransigence, and bugger off.
Some of the Old Owners still don't "get it" or refuse to go away on their own.
Time will take care of that.
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Hossfly
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And here lies the big irony (and tragedy) behind the creation of the state of Israel:José;8750685 said:
One would imagine that the victims of the worst supremacist state in recent History would be the last ones to impose a supremacist state on others who intend to wipe them out.
Fixed that for you, Josey.
Roudy
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The 48, 67, 73 wars are long gone. Arabs attacked Israel and got their butts handed to them. Time for the Palestinian Arabs to move on, just as the Jews did.
I think that if some people weren't so obsessed with Israel, they would realize that one of the current, very important issues happening in the world today is the persecution of Christians by the Muslims in the Muslim world. There are those who just conveniently close their eyes to what is happening as they continue merrily on their way of demonizing Israel as if she were the one murdering thousands and thousands of innocent people in the name of a religion.
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