Intelligent Design is Not Religion

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Religion just means belief in a God, Gods or some greater power.

Government. "Science". The Collective. How many others?

 

[justinacolmena]

Why don't you pick up a cat and tell him to bark?

Catholics. My grandmother called them cat-lickers. I remember an old preacher, said the ladies' heels were so high, a cat could walk right underneath the arch on their shoes.

 

[Hollie]

Naturalism is the atheist's religion.

Naturalism as opposed to super or un-naturalism?

What are the customs, rituals and practices associated with the religion of naturalism?

 

[Donald H]

The problem with your court case is the use of the phrase “Intelligent design.” They are interpreting ID to mean Creationism. Why? Evolution vs. Creationism can be a debate I would gladly take the Creationism side, but it is merely a red herring compared to the vastly more important and eternal question --- i.e. If evolution occurred, did it occur by thoughtless chance or was the process guided by an Intelligent Designer? That is all that matters. A great portion of science is still holding out there is no evidence for God in their research, they are desperate and driven to try to present a “scientific” explanation how a rock could create DNA life and then morph an infinite number of times giving birth to snakes and peacocks and little baby boys. This arm of science and government want us to buy the crock of B.S. that there is no need for a supreme intelligence to make an amoeba turn into a screaming eagle one day.

You've turned the discussion into something much more than my few comments on the Dover ID trial. It was simplly an attempt by some pseudo-scientists to get religion into the schools. They attempted to use their faulty interpretation of ID to fight against proven science and they failed miserably. No Christian should be standing with them, they should label them as charlatans and join in condemning them for what they did. They most likely set back the attempt to bring creation nonsense into the schools forever!

Even evolution hero Richard Dawkins admits to that which sounds impossible. I repeat his words >>> "Natural selection is the blind watchmaker, blind because it does not see ahead, does not plan consequences, has no purpose in view. Yet the living results of natural selection overwhelmingly impress us with the appearance of design as if by a master watchmaker, impress us with the illusion of design and planning.”

That's an accurate quote but what's your point?

Now how stupid is that? That is like saying a rocket ship has the appearance of design, but it is just an illusion it was designed.

No it's not.

And you swallow that? And look how much “credit” he gives to your side’s belief of no ID required: “Natural selection is the blind watchmaker, blind because it does not see ahead, does not plan consequences, has no purpose in view.” <<< And that, which has "no purpose in view" is the great design process you people use to create the workings of a nervous system, a liver or a brain? Seriously? Since it cannot be a God as you insist, instead you all say "natural selection is this inert inanimate force that has no mind of its own, but is blowing ours by what it can create."

I fail to see your point of quoting Dawkins again. What do you wish to debate with me?
Is there any point in debating creation against evolution? The two can't be spoken in the same breathe. Creationism belongs in your churches, your homes, and in your heads.
If you bring it out into the light of day you are going to face difficulties.

 

[Donald H]

Evolution is a process that creates simple eyespots and gradually improves them.

Any time the major point of a process is something that is, not only not known, but we are told it is unknowable, is not science.

Well done! There's no need for their rudeness and anger. I just wish both sides could understand that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

ID is just Young Earth Creationism, rebranded. Their entire pretense is a shameless lie: "Teach the controversy."

There is no controversy.

 

[Hollie]

If ID were religion, the Discovery Institute would be quoting the bible. They don't.

The founder of the Disco'tute is Bruce Chapman.

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#67: Bruce Chapman

I know you are tired of these tired, old YECs, but this series is supposed to something of a reference work, so we will cover them. Chapma...

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I know you are tired of these tired, old YECs, but this series is supposed to something of a reference work, so we will cover them. Chapman is one of the most over-the-top lunatic anti-evolutionists (blithering idiots) at the Discovery Institute. In fact, Chapman is the president of the Discovery Institute, and seems to believe that this position confers on him the power to pass judgment on science in a manner slightly reminiscent on the infallibility conferred on the pope when he’s helped up on the pope-throne the first time.


This one, an attack on Expelled Exposed (a project committed to exposing the dishonesty and stupidity of the Expelled movie) is a good example of his idiocy. It must be read to be believed (no, I am not going to generate traffic to DI, so I’m linking to a level-headed discussion of the article in question). Like most ID’ers, Chapman knows virtually nothing about evolutionary biology, and even less about the scientific method (not understanding, for instance, that science is done by experiment and evidence, not arguments, and that truth is discovered through careful, controlled research, not through attempts to sway public opinion; the article discussed here is astoundingly ironic).

Has among other things, argued at length that the Pope himself is the true victim in the recent, well, scandals involving the Catholic Church, and has argued (“ranted delusionally” is more appropriate) at length that the health care reform is unconstitutional. Apparently, his talents range wide; here is some financial advice, and here is his discovery that the earth is cooling rather than warming - yes, global warming is a leftist conspiracy carried aloft by the promise of … an endless flow of grant money, apparently. All of it is written with the sharp wit and overwhelming flashes of genius we’ve come to expect from Champan. And here is some plain old dishonesty and stupidity.

Diagnosis: Blathering idiot whose misapprehensions of what science is and how it works are simply to deep to be reversible in a lifetime. Has some power, and must be considered dangerous, despite the clownish appearance with respect to intellect.

 

[Ringtone]

You've turned the discussion into something much more than my few comments on the Dover ID trial. It was simplly an attempt by some pseudo-scientists to get religion into the schools. They attempted to use their faulty interpretation of ID to fight against proven science and they failed miserably. No Christian should be standing with them, they should label them as charlatans and join in condemning them for what they did. They most likely set back the attempt to bring creation nonsense into the schools forever!

That's an accurate quote but what's your point?

No it's not.

I fail to see your point of quoting Dawkins again. What do you wish to debate with me?
Is there any point in debating creation against evolution? The two can't be spoken in the same breathe. Creationism belongs in your churches, your homes, and in your heads.
If you bring it out into the light of day you are going to face difficulties.

Evolutionary theory is predicated on naturalism. Naturalism is the stuff of myth, fantasy, fanaticism, voodoo, magic, etcetera.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Evolutionary theory is predicated on naturalism. Naturalism is the stuff of myth, fantasy, fanaticism, voodoo, magic, etcetera.

Oh no, the scientific community must be reeling from that blow! Let's check the scoreboard...
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...nope, looks like you losers are still getting your asses kicked by eleventy trillion to zero.

 

[Ringtone]

There are plenty of religions that do not use, or believe in, the Bible.

However, Intelligent Design is certainly based on religion. Unless you can introduce us to the intelligence behind it.

Nonsense. Evolution is based on the religion of naturalism. Evolution is a load of malarkey, an endless stream of baby talk, la-la, a pile of manure, a stinking pile of rubbish, etcetera.

 

[WinterBorn]

Nonsense. Evolution is based on the religion of naturalism. Evolution is a load of malarkey, an endless stream of baby talk, la-la, a pile of manure, a stinking pile of rubbish, etcetera.

There is no "religion of naturalism". And evolution relies on the concept of mutation. Which has been observed, verified and studied. If a mutation give a lifeform a better chance to reproduce, it will eventually win out.

 

[Hollie]

Nonsense. Evolution is based on the religion of naturalism. Evolution is a load of malarkey, an endless stream of baby talk, la-la, a pile of manure, a stinking pile of rubbish, etcetera.

Another of the real angry graduates from the Jimmy Swaggert madrassah.

 

[Skull]

For supporters of ID who wish to be more active, here is a new project & website:

Roots | A Grassroots Network of Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

 

[Ringtone]

There is no "religion of naturalism". And evolution relies on the concept of mutation. Which has been observed, verified and studied. If a mutation give a lifeform a better chance to reproduce, it will eventually win out.

I'm thoroughly versed in the theory of evolution. I aced advanced courses on evolutionary theory and biology, and my professors never had the slightest clue that I regarded it to be bunk. It most certainly is the belief that all of biological history is necessarily an unbroken chain of natural cause and effect, a common ancestry of genetic transmutation. Hence, it is predicated on the metaphysical presupposition of naturalism. Fact.

 

[Colin norris]

Naturalism is the atheist's religion.

Thats an oxymoron. They don't believe any of that rubbish. Only fools believe there's a god.

 

[Colin norris]

The intelligence behind it is based on science and reason. Everyone knows you see a beautiful painting, by reason you know there had to be a painter. Matter does not create eye balls and nervous systems from a lump of coal based on chance with zero thought process. You do not have to call it God, but it is surely supernatural intelligent design.

Evolutionist high priest Richard Dawkins says in his book - - - "Natural selection is the blind watchmaker, blind because it does not see ahead, does not plan consequences, has no purpose in view. Yet the living results of natural selection overwhelmingly impress us with the appearance of design as if by a master watchmaker, impress us with the illusion of design and planning.”

“the illusion of design and planning.” --- right. That’s not science, Richard… that’s agenda.

There is no celestial supernatural ghost designing anything. Its a blight on the human race to suggest it. You cannot say human life was designed when we can prove it was evolution. After physics and science everything is just ignorant opinion.
Dawkins is 100% correct. Natural selection is responsible for every living thing on this earth.
Not one godbotherer can even tell exactly what date the earth was created, what did gid use for it, what materials did he use for humans.
These are very basic questions and not one jesus junkie has the answers. Unless of course you do.

 

[Ringtone]

Thats an oxymoron. They don't believe any of that rubbish. Only fools believe there's a god.

 

[BackAgain]

Intelligent Design is Not Religion​

Actually, it kinda is.

 

[Ringtone]

Intelligent Design is Not Religion​

Actually, it kinda is.

Evolution is a religious belief.

 

[Ringtone]

abu afak is a drooling 'tard of a raving lunatic, and his mother is a toe-jam-funk-smellin' baboon.