Indonesia deploys warships/planes 'against' Australia

[bianco]

Abbott Rails Against State Broadcaster Over Asylum-Seeker Coverage - The Jakarta Globe

Abbott is doing his nut because the Australian press can see he's an idiot.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott launched a scathing attack on national broadcaster ABC on Wednesday, accusing it of taking “everyone’s side but Australia’s” in coverage of asylum-seekers and the Edward Snowden leaks.

His comments follow government criticism of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation late last year after it broke a story about Australian spying on Indonesia, which sparked a major diplomatic crisis.

More recently, the conservative leader has been unhappy with ABC reports about asylum-seekers’ claims they were tortured by the Australian navy during an operation at sea.

It doesn't matter how wrong the Australian government is, according to Abbott, they have to spout the correct propaganda line.

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"The Monk" [Tony Abbott] is 100% correct...it's the ABC and the left-wing media that's wrong...some say 'as usual'.

Somali asylum seeker claims he was sprayed in eyes by Australian Navy; Government says claims of abuse 'baseless' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

New details have emerged about a boat interception operation earlier this month, with one asylum seeker saying Navy personnel sprayed him in the eyes.
A Somali asylum seeker has told the ABC that there were angry protests when people found out the boat was being turned around and they were being returned to Indonesia.
He alleges that during the onboard argument he suffered burns when he came into contact with a hot engine after an Australian sailor sprayed him with a substance that caused his eyes to burn.
"There was two arguments happening at the time. The first argument was happening down in the engine room; I was up and down to get a bag that has my stuff.

"While I was looking for a way out I stumble on the engine and my hand got burnt."

While not confirming the use of spray, Mr Morrison said in a statement that personal defensive equipment is standard issue in maritime operations.

"Such equipment is also commonly issued in domestic law enforcement across Australia," he said.

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In other words, the passengers on the people-smuggling boat went ballistic when they were told the boat was being turned around and sent back to Indonesia, ...the Australian sailors felt threatened and fought back, self defence/law enforcement.

 

[bianco]

First close-up look at a lifeboat the Abbott Government is using to stop asylum seeker boats | News.com.au

First close-up look at a lifeboat the Abbott Government is using to stop asylum seeker boats

Story summary:

• First look at air-conditioned, powered 90-seat lifeboats used to send asylum-seekers home
• 'Unsinkable' fully enclosed pods contain food, water and navigational equipment
• Arrival of first boat in Java has sent shockwavers though the people-smuggler and asylum networks

THIS is what awaits asylum-seekers trying to get to Australia on dodgy wooden smuggling boats - the gift of an air-conditioned, 90-seat lifeboat, and an armed escort back to Indonesia.

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Well only to the edge of Indonesian waters...Indonesian navy and aiforce are waiting to shoot at anyone stepping over their border line...pity they weren't stopping the people-smuggling boats leaving Indonesian waters instead.

 

[Indofred]

Indonesia deploys warships/planes 'against' Australia

Gosh, it seems the Australian navy is the guilty party here.
At least they've realised it and done something about it.

BBC News - Australia disciplines captains for Indonesia incursions

An Australian navy captain has been removed from his command for violating Indonesia's territorial waters.

Another commanding officer had been "administratively sanctioned" and five more would be given counselling, a defence department statement said.

I wonder if the idiot Australian government has grown balls, manned up and apologised yet.

Australia has apologised, saying the incursions took place "inadvertently".

Well, half a job, but with excuses.

Now we have the truth, Indonesia did nothing but Australia has admitted breaking international law, having warships invade foreign seas.

The truth and the thread title are far removed from each other.

 

[percysunshine]

"The Australian government says its tough new policy is successfully deterring asylum boats, with no new arrivals since December. "

Mission accomplished.

 

[Indofred]

"The Australian government says its tough new policy is successfully deterring asylum boats, with no new arrivals since December. "

Mission accomplished.

Care to comment on my post about Australian captains being removed from command?
The OP was all about how evil Indonesia was lining up against Australia.
Seems the truth was different.

Comments?

 

[percysunshine]

"The Australian government says its tough new policy is successfully deterring asylum boats, with no new arrivals since December. "

Mission accomplished.

Care to comment on my post about Australian captains being removed from command?
The OP was all about how evil Indonesia was lining up against Australia.
Seems the truth was different.

Comments?

The Aussie policy has not changed. So they sacrificed a guy for public relations...big deal.

The point has always been the same. Indonesia, as a transit lounge for migrants, should be sending them back to their port of origin if they do not have permission to enter Australia. Looks like the policy is working according to accepted international travel norms.

The US could learn a few things from the Aussies.

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[Indofred]

"The Australian government says its tough new policy is successfully deterring asylum boats, with no new arrivals since December. "

Mission accomplished.

Care to comment on my post about Australian captains being removed from command?
The OP was all about how evil Indonesia was lining up against Australia.
Seems the truth was different.

Comments?

The Aussie policy has not changed. So they sacrificed a guy for public relations...big deal.

The point has always been the same. Indonesia, as a transit lounge for migrants, should be sending them back to their port of origin if they do not have permission to enter Australia. Looks like the policy is working according to accepted international travel norms.

The US could learn a few things from the Aussies.

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Not the point of the thread.
It accuses Indonesia of aggressive acts but the thruth is, Australia was at fault.
Bleat on all you like but the fact remains, the thread title is a lie.

 

[Politico]

Agreed the title is a lie. The idea that Indonesia has a real navy is a joke.

 

[bianco]

Agreed the title is a lie. The idea that Indonesia has a real navy is a joke.

Looks like a real navy and military to me...ranked 14th in the world...Australia ranked 26th.


Indonesia sends warships to patrol southern border | World news | theguardian.com

Indonesia has 16 Sukhoi Su-27/30 Flankers ready to fly to the border if an Australian ship is detected in Indonesian waters. It is estimated the aircraft would take about an hour to make the trip.

Indonesia is also beefing up its defence forces, with one MP naming Australia as the country's greatest threat.

A restructure of Indonesia’s forces aims to deploy troops faster and to acquire long-range weapons.

“The plan will integrate the regional resources of the army, the navy and the air force into multi-service groups that will be positioned in certain defence flashpoints integral to preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” the Jakarta Post said.

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Another clear example of why Australia should be getting long range weapons, with nuke warheads.

 

[Indofred]

Agreed the title is a lie. The idea that Indonesia has a real navy is a joke.

Looks like a real navy and military to me...ranked 14th in the world...Australia ranked 26th.


Indonesia sends warships to patrol southern border | World news | theguardian.com

Indonesia has 16 Sukhoi Su-27/30 Flankers ready to fly to the border if an Australian ship is detected in Indonesian waters. It is estimated the aircraft would take about an hour to make the trip.

Indonesia is also beefing up its defence forces, with one MP naming Australia as the country's greatest threat.

A restructure of Indonesia’s forces aims to deploy troops faster and to acquire long-range weapons.

“The plan will integrate the regional resources of the army, the navy and the air force into multi-service groups that will be positioned in certain defence flashpoints integral to preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” the Jakarta Post said.

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Another clear example of why Australia should be getting long range weapons, with nuke warheads.

So, you've finally admitted you lied in your Op but you now want to nuke the country who's seas you violated.
Yep, I can see you're a well balanced idiot - you have a chip on each shoulder and a lump of wood for a head.

 

[bianco]

Agreed the title is a lie. The idea that Indonesia has a real navy is a joke.

Looks like a real navy and military to me...ranked 14th in the world...Australia ranked 26th.


Indonesia sends warships to patrol southern border | World news | theguardian.com

Indonesia has 16 Sukhoi Su-27/30 Flankers ready to fly to the border if an Australian ship is detected in Indonesian waters. It is estimated the aircraft would take about an hour to make the trip.

Indonesia is also beefing up its defence forces, with one MP naming Australia as the country's greatest threat.

A restructure of Indonesia’s forces aims to deploy troops faster and to acquire long-range weapons.

“The plan will integrate the regional resources of the army, the navy and the air force into multi-service groups that will be positioned in certain defence flashpoints integral to preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” the Jakarta Post said.

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Another clear example of why Australia should be getting long range weapons, with nuke warheads.

So, you've finally admitted you lied in your Op but you now want to nuke the country who's seas you violated.
Yep, I can see you're a well balanced idiot - you have a chip on each shoulder and a lump of wood for a head.

Lied?

In no way.

To refresh your memory;

Tension with OZ escalates as RI deploys warships | The Jakarta Post

Tension with OZ escalates as RI deploys warships


A number of Indonesian Navy warships have been deployed and four Air Force defense radars have been programmed to closely monitor the southern border, military officials told The Jakarta Post on Wednesday.

Navy chief spokesman Commodore Untung Suropati confirmed that a number of warships had moved toward the Australian border. He said these included frigates, fast torpedo craft (KCT), fast missile craft (KCR) and corvettes as well as maritime patrol aircraft. He declined to reveal the precise number and location of the assets.

“If we notice any border violations, our air base in Makassar will be ready. Australia is reachable from there.” Hadi was referring to the Sultan Hasanuddin Air Force Base in the South Sulawesi provincial capital, which is the base of the 11th squadron, consisting of 16 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-27/30 Flankers.





All Australia was doing was towing people-smuggling boats back to Indonesian waters...from whence they originated.

 

[percysunshine]

Care to comment on my post about Australian captains being removed from command?
The OP was all about how evil Indonesia was lining up against Australia.
Seems the truth was different.

Comments?

The Aussie policy has not changed. So they sacrificed a guy for public relations...big deal.

The point has always been the same. Indonesia, as a transit lounge for migrants, should be sending them back to their port of origin if they do not have permission to enter Australia. Looks like the policy is working according to accepted international travel norms.

The US could learn a few things from the Aussies.

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Not the point of the thread.
It accuses Indonesia of aggressive acts but the thruth is, Australia was at fault.
Bleat on all you like but the fact remains, the thread title is a lie.

The aggressive act was not returning the transit passengers to their port of origin. Instead, Indonesia tried to transfer the problem to Australia.

They failed.

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[bianco]

The thread title is the truth...and against is qualified 'against'.

After Australia told Indonesia [Australia should've just said nothing] that it had accidentally entered Indonesian waters while towing back people-smuggling boats, and apologised...Indonesia then spat the dummy [pacifier], and launched warships and readied war planes....and issued war threats.

The launched Indonesian ships of war were shown on my tv on the 6 o'clock news.
...along with the types of Indonesian warplanes being readied to back up the threats being issued from Jakarta.

So called "good friend, great future together", "Pacific partners" Indonesia

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[Indofred]

Lied?

In no way.

To refresh your memory;

Tension with OZ escalates as RI deploys warships | The Jakarta Post

Tension with OZ escalates as RI deploys warships


A number of Indonesian Navy warships have been deployed and four Air Force defense radars have been programmed to closely monitor the southern border, military officials told The Jakarta Post on Wednesday.


“If we notice any border violations, our air base in Makassar will be ready. Australia is reachable from there.” Hadi was referring to the Sultan Hasanuddin Air Force Base in the South Sulawesi provincial capital, which is the base of the 11th squadron, consisting of 16 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-27/30 Flankers.
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It doesn't need refreshing.
The article clearly states, Indonesia will respond to AUSTRALIA'S aggression and AUSTRALIA'S border violations.

You lied.

 

[bianco]

No lies...Indonesia clearly said that if it detected another Australian navy ship accidentally entering its waters towing a people-smuggling boat [which Indonesia said it didn't want back and basically had no intention of stopping or taking back]...it would use its deployed warships, and warplanes against Australia.

Notice that when told of Australia's navigation error while towing back the boats, and all that entails-hard to concentrate with rioting asylum-seekers in tow , and there are no fences in the ocean...
...instead of just saying to Australia; "Thank you for letting us know. Obviously this is an unintentional mistake by your navy, but we would like it not to happen again, and your ships' captains to be better trained"................Indonesia virtually went on a war footing.

Should be interesting if it does acidentally happen again, and Indonesia starts firing at Australian ships.

 

[Indofred]

No lies...Indonesia clearly said that if it detected another Australian navy ship accidentally entering its waters towing a people-smuggling boat [which Indonesia said it didn't want back and basically had no intention of stopping or taking back]...it would use its deployed warships, and warplanes against Australia.

Against Australia or against an invading naval force?

 

[Indofred]

No lies...Indonesia clearly said that if it detected another Australian navy ship accidentally entering its waters towing a people-smuggling boat [which Indonesia said it didn't want back and basically had no intention of stopping or taking back]...it would use its deployed warships, and warplanes against Australia..

Warships heading to one's waters are not to be trifled with.
Should be interesting...Iranian Navy v US Navy.
Trouble is...in any attack by Iran [with nukes?]...US sailors would likely die.

So, if someone sends a warship into foreign waters, it's unacceptable and not to be trifled with but, if Australia does it, it's just an accident.

Yes, you're so credible.

 

[ThirdTerm]

A Royal Australian Navy ship captain will be stripped of his command and another will receive a formal warning for his conduct over incursions into Indonesian waters during border protection operations. The Chief of Navy, Vice-Admiral Ray Griggs, said in a statement on Thursday that he believed the incursions in December and January were inadvertent, but that they were not up to the standard of a navy commander. Five other ship captains will be counselled. Seven navy ships were involved in the six breaches of Indonesia's maritime boundary, which infuriated Jakarta and caused the Abbott government acute political embarrassment. "There were, in the Chief of Navy's view, lapses in professional conduct that required action to be taken," the statement reads. It is understood at least some of the incursions happened while asylum-seeker boats were being turned back to Indonesia. A review of the incidents by Defence and Customs found that the breaches were inadvertent and arose because the ships' crews did not know where the maritime boundaries lay. Indonesia, as an archipelago country, has boundaries that are calculated according to base lines, meaning the actual boundary can be much further out than the standard 12 nautical miles.

Royal Australian Navy captain stood aside over Indonesia breaches

 

[bianco]

No lies...Indonesia clearly said that if it detected another Australian navy ship accidentally entering its waters towing a people-smuggling boat [which Indonesia said it didn't want back and basically had no intention of stopping or taking back]...it would use its deployed warships, and warplanes against Australia.

Against Australia or against an invading naval force?

They made it quite clear, their ships and planes would be attacking Australia if any more of her warships were discovered in their waters.

 

[bianco]

A Royal Australian Navy ship captain will be stripped of his command and another will receive a formal warning for his conduct over incursions into Indonesian waters during border protection operations. The Chief of Navy, Vice-Admiral Ray Griggs, said in a statement on Thursday that he believed the incursions in December and January were inadvertent, but that they were not up to the standard of a navy commander. Five other ship captains will be counselled. Seven navy ships were involved in the six breaches of Indonesia's maritime boundary, which infuriated Jakarta and caused the Abbott government acute political embarrassment. "There were, in the Chief of Navy's view, lapses in professional conduct that required action to be taken," the statement reads. It is understood at least some of the incursions happened while asylum-seeker boats were being turned back to Indonesia. A review of the incidents by Defence and Customs found that the breaches were inadvertent and arose because the ships' crews did not know where the maritime boundaries lay. Indonesia, as an archipelago country, has boundaries that are calculated according to base lines, meaning the actual boundary can be much further out than the standard 12 nautical miles.

Royal Australian Navy captain stood aside over Indonesia breaches

Thanks for that info.
Now that I believe...the ships' crews did not know where the boundaries lay.
Achipelago country, base line boundaries?...never heard of that before...crews probably hadn't either.

Of course if people-smuggling boats hadn't been leaving Indonesia every "5 minutes" for the last 6 years since the Left/Far Left Australian govts of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd got into power, maybe none if this would've happened.

The Conservative Howard govt had stopped the people-smuggling boats from arriving.
The Left/Far Left got into power and immediately changed the system and opened the floodgates once again, costing taxpayers billions...$12million for every boat that arrived...plus all the free houses, $10,000 start-up packs of tvs and whitegoods etc, and welfare cash for life it gave the illegals/asylum-seekers.