Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN)

[Oddball]

Not really...if they weren't going to file they wouldn't bother to get an ITIN in most cases. You can't use it for anything else...like collecting ss or medicare or even eeic.

Such a cynic.

With that itin , they have better chances of getting some employers to hire them.

How does an illegal acquire an itin....be specific please.

Via the faked or fraudulent ID that they probably already have.

 

[Ravi]

Not really...if they weren't going to file they wouldn't bother to get an ITIN in most cases. You can't use it for anything else...like collecting ss or medicare or even eeic.

Such a cynic.

With that itin , they have better chances of getting some employers to hire them.

How does an illegal acquire an itin....be specific please.

Basically by filling out this form and providing their passport or other form of identification. There is nothing on this that implies one must be in the country legally.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf

 

[Care4all]

With that itin , they have better chances of getting some employers to hire them.

How does an illegal acquire an itin....be specific please.

Basically by filling out this form and providing their passport or other form of identification. There is nothing on this that implies one must be in the country legally.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf

really? a non resident alien and a resident alien are BOTH HERE LEGALLY?

Definition:Resident Alien vs Nonresident Alien

 

[Ravi]

How does an illegal acquire an itin....be specific please.

Basically by filling out this form and providing their passport or other form of identification. There is nothing on this that implies one must be in the country legally.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf

really? a non resident alien and a resident alien are BOTH HERE LEGALLY?

Definition:Resident Alien vs Nonresident Alien

I don't know what the legal definition is...but wouldn't they be asking for proof of status if it mattered? I don't see where they are.

 

[Ravi]

Here's what the IRS says:






Nonresident Aliens




If you are an alien (not a U.S. citizen), you are considered a nonresident alien unless you meet one of the two tests described next under Resident Aliens.

 

[Care4all]

Here's what the IRS says:






Nonresident Aliens




If you are an alien (not a U.S. citizen), you are considered a nonresident alien unless you meet one of the two tests described next under Resident Aliens.

yes, BUT their legal definition of resident alien and non resident alien IS FOR LEGAL aliens....both non resident and resident, REQUIRE a VISA, even at the IRS....

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[Ravi]

Here's what the IRS says:






Nonresident Aliens




If you are an alien (not a U.S. citizen), you are considered a nonresident alien unless you meet one of the two tests described next under Resident Aliens.

yes, BUT their legal definition of resident alien and non resident alien IS FOR LEGAL aliens....both non resident and resident, REQUIRE a VISA, even at the IRS....

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[Care4all]

the document itself IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS any illegal status alien ravi....

it is directed towards non resident and resident aliens...the w7 REQUIRES a visa or itin number of ones spouse....it says this right on the application...even under the ''other'' part, it requires a notorized copy of the visa, under the instructions...i think it was page 6.

the form is NOT FOR ILLEGAL aliens.....but nonresident and resident aliens, which as said, are BOTH LEGAL alien status.

no where on the w7 can an illegal apply for such.

 

[Ravi]

the document itself IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS any illegal status alien ravi....

it is directed towards non resident and resident aliens...the w7 REQUIRES a visa or itin number of ones spouse....it says this right on the application...even under the ''other'' part, it requires a notorized copy of the visa, under the instructions...i think it was page 6.

the form is NOT FOR ILLEGAL aliens.....but nonresident and resident aliens, which as said, are BOTH LEGAL alien status.

no where on the w7 can an illegal apply for such.

You could be right, Care...in fact you probably are...but that would mean froggy is full of shit and Dud is a dope for believing him.

 

[froggy]

the document itself IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS any illegal status alien ravi....

it is directed towards non resident and resident aliens...the w7 REQUIRES a visa or itin number of ones spouse....it says this right on the application...even under the ''other'' part, it requires a notorized copy of the visa, under the instructions...i think it was page 6.

the form is NOT FOR ILLEGAL aliens.....but nonresident and resident aliens, which as said, are BOTH LEGAL alien status.

no where on the w7 can an illegal apply for such.

IRS Has 70% Error Rate in Issuance of Taxpayer ID Numbers, Resulting in Fraudulent Tax Refunds

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) today publicly released its review of the IRS's processing of applications for Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs).

TIGTA reviewed a sample of ITIN applications and found that almost 70% contained significant errors and/or raised concerns that should have prevented the issuance of an ITIN. The IRS estimates that it has issued more than 14 million ITINs as of December 2008.

ITINs are intended to provide tax identification numbers to resident and nonresident alien individuals who may have U.S. tax reporting or filing obligations but do not qualify for Social Security Numbers, which generally are only issued to U.S. citizens and individuals legally admitted to the U.S. ...

"The number of individual income tax returns filed using ITINs and reporting wage income has increased by 247 percent from 2001 to 2008," commented J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. "If the IRS continues to issue ITINs without proper verification, the risk of fraudulently filed returns – along with fraudulently claimed refunds – will continue to rise," added Inspector General George. - TaxProf Blog
So how many illegal aliens are working at jobs that report their earnings to the IRS. For 2008,( there were at least 1.8 million jobs being done by illegal aliens who have given their employer an ITIN number claiming it was their Social Security Number. The number might be even higher as the total was of returns where an ITIN number was used for wage income. It does not take into account any joint filings where both filers used an ITIN.)

 

[Ravi]

the document itself IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS any illegal status alien ravi....

it is directed towards non resident and resident aliens...the w7 REQUIRES a visa or itin number of ones spouse....it says this right on the application...even under the ''other'' part, it requires a notorized copy of the visa, under the instructions...i think it was page 6.

the form is NOT FOR ILLEGAL aliens.....but nonresident and resident aliens, which as said, are BOTH LEGAL alien status.

no where on the w7 can an illegal apply for such.

IRS Has 70% Error Rate in Issuance of Taxpayer ID Numbers, Resulting in Fraudulent Tax Refunds

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) today publicly released its review of the IRS's processing of applications for Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs).

TIGTA reviewed a sample of ITIN applications and found that almost 70% contained significant errors and/or raised concerns that should have prevented the issuance of an ITIN. The IRS estimates that it has issued more than 14 million ITINs as of December 2008.

ITINs are intended to provide tax identification numbers to resident and nonresident alien individuals who may have U.S. tax reporting or filing obligations but do not qualify for Social Security Numbers, which generally are only issued to U.S. citizens and individuals legally admitted to the U.S. ...

"The number of individual income tax returns filed using ITINs and reporting wage income has increased by 247 percent from 2001 to 2008," commented J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. "If the IRS continues to issue ITINs without proper verification, the risk of fraudulently filed returns – along with fraudulently claimed refunds – will continue to rise," added Inspector General George. - TaxProf Blog
So how many illegal aliens are working at jobs that report their earnings to the IRS. For 2008,( there were at least 1.8 million jobs being done by illegal aliens who have given their employer an ITIN number claiming it was their Social Security Number. The number might be even higher as the total was of returns where an ITIN number was used for wage income. It does not take into account any joint filings where both filers used an ITIN.)

If this is true you should be applauding the Obama administration for requiring agents issuing ITINS be retrained so they will stop giving out ITINS to people that don't qualify for them.

I'd like to see the amount of income tax paid vs. income tax refunded using ITINs but I imagine that is beyond your abilities.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I would rather them have a number and pay into it through proper channels than have them steal my SSN again. It wasn't really fun contacting SS office, IRS, and reporting my identity stolen. You are never going to get them all to leave, and you are very naive if you think so. SO why don't we protect people from getting their info stolen?

Great plan, dumb ass.

 

[froggy]

the document itself IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS any illegal status alien ravi....

it is directed towards non resident and resident aliens...the w7 REQUIRES a visa or itin number of ones spouse....it says this right on the application...even under the ''other'' part, it requires a notorized copy of the visa, under the instructions...i think it was page 6.

the form is NOT FOR ILLEGAL aliens.....but nonresident and resident aliens, which as said, are BOTH LEGAL alien status.

no where on the w7 can an illegal apply for such.

IRS Has 70% Error Rate in Issuance of Taxpayer ID Numbers, Resulting in Fraudulent Tax Refunds

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) today publicly released its review of the IRS's processing of applications for Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs).

TIGTA reviewed a sample of ITIN applications and found that almost 70% contained significant errors and/or raised concerns that should have prevented the issuance of an ITIN. The IRS estimates that it has issued more than 14 million ITINs as of December 2008.

ITINs are intended to provide tax identification numbers to resident and nonresident alien individuals who may have U.S. tax reporting or filing obligations but do not qualify for Social Security Numbers, which generally are only issued to U.S. citizens and individuals legally admitted to the U.S. ...

"The number of individual income tax returns filed using ITINs and reporting wage income has increased by 247 percent from 2001 to 2008," commented J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. "If the IRS continues to issue ITINs without proper verification, the risk of fraudulently filed returns – along with fraudulently claimed refunds – will continue to rise," added Inspector General George. - TaxProf Blog
So how many illegal aliens are working at jobs that report their earnings to the IRS. For 2008,( there were at least 1.8 million jobs being done by illegal aliens who have given their employer an ITIN number claiming it was their Social Security Number. The number might be even higher as the total was of returns where an ITIN number was used for wage income. It does not take into account any joint filings where both filers used an ITIN.)

If this is true you should be applauding the Obama administration for requiring agents issuing ITINS be retrained so they will stop giving out ITINS to people that don't qualify for them.

I'd like to see the amount of income tax paid vs. income tax refunded using ITINs but I imagine that is beyond your abilities.

Stupid, there income is low enough that they don't pay any tax, they get it back in a refund.

 

[Ravi]

IRS Has 70% Error Rate in Issuance of Taxpayer ID Numbers, Resulting in Fraudulent Tax Refunds

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) today publicly released its review of the IRS's processing of applications for Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs).

TIGTA reviewed a sample of ITIN applications and found that almost 70% contained significant errors and/or raised concerns that should have prevented the issuance of an ITIN. The IRS estimates that it has issued more than 14 million ITINs as of December 2008.

ITINs are intended to provide tax identification numbers to resident and nonresident alien individuals who may have U.S. tax reporting or filing obligations but do not qualify for Social Security Numbers, which generally are only issued to U.S. citizens and individuals legally admitted to the U.S. ...

"The number of individual income tax returns filed using ITINs and reporting wage income has increased by 247 percent from 2001 to 2008," commented J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. "If the IRS continues to issue ITINs without proper verification, the risk of fraudulently filed returns – along with fraudulently claimed refunds – will continue to rise," added Inspector General George. - TaxProf Blog
So how many illegal aliens are working at jobs that report their earnings to the IRS. For 2008,( there were at least 1.8 million jobs being done by illegal aliens who have given their employer an ITIN number claiming it was their Social Security Number. The number might be even higher as the total was of returns where an ITIN number was used for wage income. It does not take into account any joint filings where both filers used an ITIN.)

If this is true you should be applauding the Obama administration for requiring agents issuing ITINS be retrained so they will stop giving out ITINS to people that don't qualify for them.

I'd like to see the amount of income tax paid vs. income tax refunded using ITINs but I imagine that is beyond your abilities.

Stupid, there income is low enough that they don't pay any tax, they get it back in a refund.

uh...no. The only way someone would get back more than they paid in would be if they qualified for Earned Income Tax Credits...and ITINs are disqualified from that program.

Run off and find the numbers, toady, or admit your a xenophobic twit.

 

[froggy]

If this is true you should be applauding the Obama administration for requiring agents issuing ITINS be retrained so they will stop giving out ITINS to people that don't qualify for them.

I'd like to see the amount of income tax paid vs. income tax refunded using ITINs but I imagine that is beyond your abilities.

Stupid, there income is low enough that they don't pay any tax, they get it back in a refund.

uh...no. The only way someone would get back more than they paid in would be if they qualified for Earned Income Tax Credits...and ITINs are disqualified from that program.

Run off and find the numbers, toady, or admit your a xenophobic twit.

Factor in the Standard Deduction and the Number Of Excemptions. That will get them a 20,000.00 deduction you think they claim more than 20 k?

 

[Ravi]

Stupid, there income is low enough that they don't pay any tax, they get it back in a refund.

uh...no. The only way someone would get back more than they paid in would be if they qualified for Earned Income Tax Credits...and ITINs are disqualified from that program.

Run off and find the numbers, toady, or admit your a xenophobic twit.

Factor in the Standard Deduction and the Number Of Excemptions. That will get them a 20,000.00 deduction you think they claim more than 20 k?

Deductions and exemptions only reduce the amount you owe...they do not give you money you didn't pay in.

Keep swinging.

 

[froggy]

uh...no. The only way someone would get back more than they paid in would be if they qualified for Earned Income Tax Credits...and ITINs are disqualified from that program.

Run off and find the numbers, toady, or admit your a xenophobic twit.

Factor in the Standard Deduction and the Number Of Excemptions. That will get them a 20,000.00 deduction you think they claim more than 20 k?

Deductions and exemptions only reduce the amount you owe...they do not give you money you didn't pay in.

Keep swinging.

Lets say they earned 18,000. Ahd their deductions and exemptions total 19,500. What would be the amount they owe tax on.

 

[Ravi]

Factor in the Standard Deduction and the Number Of Excemptions. That will get them a 20,000.00 deduction you think they claim more than 20 k?

Deductions and exemptions only reduce the amount you owe...they do not give you money you didn't pay in.

Keep swinging.

Lets say they earned 18,000. Ahd their deductions and exemptions total 19,500. What would be the amount they owe tax on.

Again, the only way you get back more than you paid in is if you qualify for EITC.

Have you ever paid taxes, foggy? It doesn't sound like you are very familiar with them.

 

[froggy]

Deductions and exemptions only reduce the amount you owe...they do not give you money you didn't pay in.

Keep swinging.

Lets say they earned 18,000. Ahd their deductions and exemptions total 19,500. What would be the amount they owe tax on.

Again, the only way you get back more than you paid in is if you qualify for EITC.

Have you ever paid taxes, foggy? It doesn't sound like you are very familiar with them.

Your just to stupid to discuss anything with, are you here legally. Learn something about the country before entering it.

 

[Ravi]

Lets say they earned 18,000. Ahd their deductions and exemptions total 19,500. What would be the amount they owe tax on.

Again, the only way you get back more than you paid in is if you qualify for EITC.

Have you ever paid taxes, foggy? It doesn't sound like you are very familiar with them.

Your just to stupid to discuss anything with, are you here legally. Learn something about the country before entering it.

Do your homework next time and you won't look like the fool. Well...that's probably too much to hope for.