Indigenous Palestinians Were JEWS

[Humanity]

montelatici, et al,

Well then, we have to consider the issue of longevity.

How about using the term "native" to a place or territory. This is in contrast from being born and resident elsewhere.

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Native is another question.

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What we call today,in America as "Native Americans" are actually a composite of three different migrations and the outcome of several wars between tribes. Between 250 BC and 900 AD (known as the Woodland Period), archeological excavations show that intertribal warfare was intense with various tribes attempting to expand their domain. Some tribes completely disappeared; partly as an outcome of intertribal rivalry. Where I live, the Adena and Hopewell Indians were dated to the area as far back as the Paleo-indian Period (13,000 BC to 7,000 BC). But these two (native or indigenous) tribes were largely destroy and assimilated by the Shawnee of the Ohio Valley that did not escape westward. Now are the Shawnee considered Native American since they displaced the Shawnee? (Rhetorical) Of course they are Native Americans. Just as I am indigenous to the area.

It's like pornography and terrorism. I may not be able to legally define them, but I know them when I see them.

The Jews that established Israel in 1948, will soon be (if not already) indigenous to Israel. They've been there for over half a century; and soon there will no longer be any living survivor of the originally immigrants that came to the territory in the time before the establishment of the State. They will have been born there, and they will have grown-up there. The Arab Palestinians are exactly the opposite. Soon there will be no surviving migrants that lived in what is now Israel. There will not have been any remaining members that lived and grew-up in the territory. They will no longer be indigenous to what is now known as the State of Israel.

All peoples have some connection to the first humans that migrated out of Africa. We all came from someplace. And all the original migrants of 50K years ago have been replaced by someone else.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, and the other new states in the region, came into being without the evolutionary or revolutionary processes of most other countries. Palestine's international borders were defined by post war treaties. Palestinians became Palestinian and citizens of Palestine by international law in 1924 and domestic law in 1925.

Nothing can undo that.

States rise and fall all the time.

Palestine was still-born.

Something that the zionuts need to remember!

 

[Kondor3]

...Are you implying that they made this up? Israel hates Christians the same as Muslims...

Nonsense.

More Muslim tactics attempting to Divide and Conquer - to create a split between Israel and The West.

No sale.

"Muslim tactics" Not necessary...

Israel is doing a great job in creating a split between them and the west all by itself

Not really, but, if it helps you to sleep at night...

 

[Kondor3]

...Something that the zionuts need to remember!

Not to worry. By the time that Israel falls for a second time, people won't even remember the word 'Palestine', except as a historical footnote.

 

[Rehmani]

...Because Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine and Syria used to be one country but your master divide the region so they can place Israel there as well why don't you understand dumb, this simple thing that they are all one nation before Israel.

What was the name of this so-called 'nation'?

With the exception of a little more than a century of Christian rule (1099 until 1291 AD) from 637 AD until the 14th century conquest by the Ottomans, the Arab Caliphates ruled what is now Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan Syria and well beyond.

That's not what your colleague said.

He-she-it claimed that somebody's "master" had arranged to subdivide the region so they could 'place Israel there'.

This specificity pertains to a modern-era nation-state - supposedly "one country", according to your colleague.

The challenge to your colleague was to identify that "one country" that was parsed to make room for Israel.

And, your own defaulting to ancient history notwithstanding, the question still stands...

In the context of a country that was divided to make room for modern-day Israel...

What was the name of this so-called 'nation'?

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< this ought to be good, coming from anyone silly enough to try to answer it with a straight face >

Please control your anger and read about the Ottoman Empire find there that this region was administered from Damascus. Please accept the facts and don't alter the history as jew are expert in it.

 

[Rehmani]

...Because Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine and Syria used to be one country but your master divide the region so they can place Israel there as well why don't you understand dumb, this simple thing that they are all one nation before Israel.

What was the name of this so-called 'nation'?

With the exception of a little more than a century of Christian rule (1099 until 1291 AD) from 637 AD until the 14th century conquest by the Ottomans, the Arab Caliphates ruled what is now Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan Syria and well beyond.

WRONG try again as the arab muslims only ruled Palestine for 22 years.

Again what it make different that Arab or Turk, they are Muslim and they are the one who allowed jew to resettle in holy land and jew should thanks full to them and do the right thing means do the same and make the region peaceful, and that peace will help the peaceful world.

 

[Rehmani]

The Palestinians (Muslims & Christians) had no army. The war just happened around them. Israel ethnically cleansed the Palestinians. Their religion didn't matter.

At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without a land.” Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians—7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

In the process of “Judaizing” Palestine, numerous convents, hospices, seminaries, and churches were either destroyed or cleared of their Christian owners and custodians. In one of the most spectacular attacks on a Christian target, on May 17, 1948, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was shelled with about 100 mortar rounds—launched by Zionist forces from the already occupied monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Zion. The bombardment also damaged St. Jacob’s Convent, the Archangel’s Convent, and their appended churches, their two elementary and seminary schools, as well as their libraries, killing eight people and wounding 120.

Forgotten Christians​

Look at your source and tell the board with a straight face that they are unbiased

Are you implying that they made this up? Israel hates Christians the same as Muslims.

Yes I am as I cant see how Lebanon has anything to do with Israel, and why do you trot out this propaganda crap all the time.

Because Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine and Syria used to be one country but your master divide the region so they can place Israel there as well why don't you understand dumb, this simple thing that they are all one nation before Israel.

What country was that then, and who was its ruler under the Ottomans. When did it come into existence and what was its capital

Look baby I am not your teacher, please grown up and show some honesty and accept the fact and don't live on it and find some good job.

 

[Rehmani]

MJB what if you through from these problem, palestinian people are facing from Jews. I am sure then you would think properly instead.

What about the problems faced by the Jews from these Palestinian terrorists then. Maybe if you thought properly you would see that the blame lies with all of islam

Phoney,shoony,joony,poony means confused, can't you find any other job to feed yourself.

I am retired and self supporting, unlike you muslims who are the biggest scroungers on this earth.
I bet you would not dare say that to my face either being a coward, unless you had 10 heavily armed other muslims to back you up.

I am your worst nightmare as I have researched islam and the koran and know what your plans are.

You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

So you admit that the Palestinians are terrorist then as they attack with the intention of killing the innocent children.

The biggest terrorists are the muslims as shown by their attacks all over the world, just look at the genocides they have been involved in, and the terrorist attacks in America when 3000 innocents were mass murdered, or the terrorist attacks in London the mass murdered 50 innocents. Then look at Syria with 300,000 innocents mass murdered, Ethiopia when millions were mass murdered, Somali where millions are being murdered. lastly the Armenian massacre when 1 million were murdered by muslim terrorists, and India when 50 million innocents lost their lives as a direct result of islamonaxi terrorism

Look Israel is a country, listed in UNO and people of palestine are freedom fighter if Palestinian involved in those incident then Israel is responsible for that too as invader. 50 million hindu killed by muslim is wrong means there should be less hindu in india than muslim.

 

[Rehmani]

...You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

Want Israel to stop killing so-called Palestinians?

Then the Palestinians must stop giving them reasons to kill them.

Stop the rocket barrages, stop the suicide attacks, stop the random attacks upon Israelis, and Israel will stop retaliating.

You are being squeezed off of the few postage-stamp -sized fragments of land that you still control, and you are being walled-off, to prevent you from harming sane people.

Not even your half-crazy Muslim-Arab neighbor-countries want anything to do with you - most of you are too Mad Dog -like for them to feel safe, taking you in.

Even stupid people know better than to poke at a Lion with blunt sticks.

In truth, you need to leave, and not come back.

Get your families out of there, while there is still time, and shake off the insanity of Hamas and Fatah, and build new and safe and happier lives, someplace else.

Meanwhile, put the stick down... before you get hurt again... assuming that you're smart enough to understand why it is necessary to put down the stick.

Palestinians attack Israel & kill one or more Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Israel is invader and israel should vacant the land of Palestine, simple.

 

[Rehmani]

Nope.

Did Christians side with Muslim-Arab Palestinians in any appreciable numbers in the 1948 War?

No?

Then, I guess I was not full of shit about that, after all.

Was the elimination of Turkish-Palestinian Muslim-Arab tyranny and dhimmitude something that the Christians wanted to continue?

No?

Then, I guess I was not full of shit about that, either.

You're ubiquitous, Tinny, but not exactly formidable.

The Palestinians (Muslims & Christians) had no army. The war just happened around them. Israel ethnically cleansed the Palestinians. Their religion didn't matter.

At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without a land.” Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians—7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

In the process of “Judaizing” Palestine, numerous convents, hospices, seminaries, and churches were either destroyed or cleared of their Christian owners and custodians. In one of the most spectacular attacks on a Christian target, on May 17, 1948, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was shelled with about 100 mortar rounds—launched by Zionist forces from the already occupied monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Zion. The bombardment also damaged St. Jacob’s Convent, the Archangel’s Convent, and their appended churches, their two elementary and seminary schools, as well as their libraries, killing eight people and wounding 120.

Forgotten Christians​

Look at your source and tell the board with a straight face that they are unbiased

Are you implying that they made this up? Israel hates Christians the same as Muslims.

Yes I am as I cant see how Lebanon has anything to do with Israel, and why do you trot out this propaganda crap all the time.

The video was not about Lebanon.

You need to keep up.

I think phoney live here. Means he just come here to kill his time.

 

[Rehmani]

...You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

Want Israel to stop killing so-called Palestinians?

Then the Palestinians must stop giving them reasons to kill them.

Stop the rocket barrages, stop the suicide attacks, stop the random attacks upon Israelis, and Israel will stop retaliating.

You are being squeezed off of the few postage-stamp -sized fragments of land that you still control, and you are being walled-off, to prevent you from harming sane people.

Not even your half-crazy Muslim-Arab neighbor-countries want anything to do with you - most of you are too Mad Dog -like for them to feel safe, taking you in.

Even stupid people know better than to poke at a Lion with blunt sticks.

In truth, you need to leave, and not come back.

Get your families out of there, while there is still time, and shake off the insanity of Hamas and Fatah, and build new and safe and happier lives, someplace else.

Meanwhile, put the stick down... before you get hurt again... assuming that you're smart enough to understand why it is necessary to put down the stick.

It mean if we invade your privacy and you have no right to protest, it would be Ok.

 

[MJB12741]

...You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

Want Israel to stop killing so-called Palestinians?

Then the Palestinians must stop giving them reasons to kill them.

Stop the rocket barrages, stop the suicide attacks, stop the random attacks upon Israelis, and Israel will stop retaliating.

You are being squeezed off of the few postage-stamp -sized fragments of land that you still control, and you are being walled-off, to prevent you from harming sane people.

Not even your half-crazy Muslim-Arab neighbor-countries want anything to do with you - most of you are too Mad Dog -like for them to feel safe, taking you in.

Even stupid people know better than to poke at a Lion with blunt sticks.

In truth, you need to leave, and not come back.

Get your families out of there, while there is still time, and shake off the insanity of Hamas and Fatah, and build new and safe and happier lives, someplace else.

Meanwhile, put the stick down... before you get hurt again... assuming that you're smart enough to understand why it is necessary to put down the stick.

Palestinians attack Israel & kill one or more Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Israel is invader and israel should vacant the land of Palestine, simple.

Does anyone know what language this looney tunes writes in?

 

[Phoenall]

Just curious, who's taht guy with Hitler? Is it a Zionist?

http://blog.thecovertletter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Mufti-and-Hitler.jpg

What? Is it Netanyahu?

Bum chums together!

Definitely bum chums as I believe that is the initiation into islam, or so I have been told

What a stupidly immature response!

No it shows what you muslims are like, sodomy is allowed as long as it is just animal urges and not attraction.

No it shows you as the rather ridiculous, immature, racist zionut that you are

What race are muslims again ? And what did Ayotollah Khomieni write in his book about just this ?

 

[Phoenall]

...You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

Want Israel to stop killing so-called Palestinians?

Then the Palestinians must stop giving them reasons to kill them.

Stop the rocket barrages, stop the suicide attacks, stop the random attacks upon Israelis, and Israel will stop retaliating.

You are being squeezed off of the few postage-stamp -sized fragments of land that you still control, and you are being walled-off, to prevent you from harming sane people.

Not even your half-crazy Muslim-Arab neighbor-countries want anything to do with you - most of you are too Mad Dog -like for them to feel safe, taking you in.

Even stupid people know better than to poke at a Lion with blunt sticks.

In truth, you need to leave, and not come back.

Get your families out of there, while there is still time, and shake off the insanity of Hamas and Fatah, and build new and safe and happier lives, someplace else.

Meanwhile, put the stick down... before you get hurt again... assuming that you're smart enough to understand why it is necessary to put down the stick.

It mean if we invade your privacy and you have no right to protest, it would be Ok.

But we have the right to protest don't we, and we also have the right to use excessive force to deter any further attacks and you cant do a damn thing about it.

 

[Phoenall]

...You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

Want Israel to stop killing so-called Palestinians?

Then the Palestinians must stop giving them reasons to kill them.

Stop the rocket barrages, stop the suicide attacks, stop the random attacks upon Israelis, and Israel will stop retaliating.

You are being squeezed off of the few postage-stamp -sized fragments of land that you still control, and you are being walled-off, to prevent you from harming sane people.

Not even your half-crazy Muslim-Arab neighbor-countries want anything to do with you - most of you are too Mad Dog -like for them to feel safe, taking you in.

Even stupid people know better than to poke at a Lion with blunt sticks.

In truth, you need to leave, and not come back.

Get your families out of there, while there is still time, and shake off the insanity of Hamas and Fatah, and build new and safe and happier lives, someplace else.

Meanwhile, put the stick down... before you get hurt again... assuming that you're smart enough to understand why it is necessary to put down the stick.

Palestinians attack Israel & kill one or more Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Israel is invader and israel should vacant the land of Palestine, simple.

Does anyone know what language this looney tunes writes in?

Pidgin, he/she gets it from islamtranslate

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Well then, we have to consider the issue of longevity.

How about using the term "native" to a place or territory. This is in contrast from being born and resident elsewhere.

(COMMENT)

Native is another question.

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What we call today,in America as "Native Americans" are actually a composite of three different migrations and the outcome of several wars between tribes. Between 250 BC and 900 AD (known as the Woodland Period), archeological excavations show that intertribal warfare was intense with various tribes attempting to expand their domain. Some tribes completely disappeared; partly as an outcome of intertribal rivalry. Where I live, the Adena and Hopewell Indians were dated to the area as far back as the Paleo-indian Period (13,000 BC to 7,000 BC). But these two (native or indigenous) tribes were largely destroy and assimilated by the Shawnee of the Ohio Valley that did not escape westward. Now are the Shawnee considered Native American since they displaced the Shawnee? (Rhetorical) Of course they are Native Americans. Just as I am indigenous to the area.

It's like pornography and terrorism. I may not be able to legally define them, but I know them when I see them.

The Jews that established Israel in 1948, will soon be (if not already) indigenous to Israel. They've been there for over half a century; and soon there will no longer be any living survivor of the originally immigrants that came to the territory in the time before the establishment of the State. They will have been born there, and they will have grown-up there. The Arab Palestinians are exactly the opposite. Soon there will be no surviving migrants that lived in what is now Israel. There will not have been any remaining members that lived and grew-up in the territory. They will no longer be indigenous to what is now known as the State of Israel.

All peoples have some connection to the first humans that migrated out of Africa. We all came from someplace. And all the original migrants of 50K years ago have been replaced by someone else.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, and the other new states in the region, came into being without the evolutionary or revolutionary processes of most other countries. Palestine's international borders were defined by post war treaties. Palestinians became Palestinian and citizens of Palestine by international law in 1924 and domestic law in 1925.

Nothing can undo that.

States rise and fall all the time.

Palestine was still-born.

Something that the zionuts need to remember!

What is a zionut, what plant does it grow on. Is it some new G.M. food source just for islamonazi's that makes them 10% smarter giving them an I.Q. of 11

 

[Phoenall]

...Because Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine and Syria used to be one country but your master divide the region so they can place Israel there as well why don't you understand dumb, this simple thing that they are all one nation before Israel.

What was the name of this so-called 'nation'?

With the exception of a little more than a century of Christian rule (1099 until 1291 AD) from 637 AD until the 14th century conquest by the Ottomans, the Arab Caliphates ruled what is now Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan Syria and well beyond.

That's not what your colleague said.

He-she-it claimed that somebody's "master" had arranged to subdivide the region so they could 'place Israel there'.

This specificity pertains to a modern-era nation-state - supposedly "one country", according to your colleague.

The challenge to your colleague was to identify that "one country" that was parsed to make room for Israel.

And, your own defaulting to ancient history notwithstanding, the question still stands...

In the context of a country that was divided to make room for modern-day Israel...

What was the name of this so-called 'nation'?

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< this ought to be good, coming from anyone silly enough to try to answer it with a straight face >

Please control your anger and read about the Ottoman Empire find there that this region was administered from Damascus. Please accept the facts and don't alter the history as jew are expert in it.

An empire is not a nation so what was the name of this nation again

 

[Phoenall]

...Because Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine and Syria used to be one country but your master divide the region so they can place Israel there as well why don't you understand dumb, this simple thing that they are all one nation before Israel.

What was the name of this so-called 'nation'?

With the exception of a little more than a century of Christian rule (1099 until 1291 AD) from 637 AD until the 14th century conquest by the Ottomans, the Arab Caliphates ruled what is now Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan Syria and well beyond.

WRONG try again as the arab muslims only ruled Palestine for 22 years.

Again what it make different that Arab or Turk, they are Muslim and they are the one who allowed jew to resettle in holy land and jew should thanks full to them and do the right thing means do the same and make the region peaceful, and that peace will help the peaceful world.

According to Islamic history the muslims went on murder fests that were to keep the Jews and Christians in line by means of terror. The many verses in the koran and hadiths tell the world that the muslims must "KILL THE JEWS"

 

[Phoenall]

Look at your source and tell the board with a straight face that they are unbiased

Are you implying that they made this up? Israel hates Christians the same as Muslims.

Yes I am as I cant see how Lebanon has anything to do with Israel, and why do you trot out this propaganda crap all the time.

Because Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine and Syria used to be one country but your master divide the region so they can place Israel there as well why don't you understand dumb, this simple thing that they are all one nation before Israel.

What country was that then, and who was its ruler under the Ottomans. When did it come into existence and what was its capital

Look baby I am not your teacher, please grown up and show some honesty and accept the fact and don't live on it and find some good job.

It is a simple enough question as no maps I am aware of shows all them places to have once been a single nation. So if you know differently why wont you divulge the information ?


By the way I did find a good job that I am now retired from on an extremely large pension. So why should I work just to keep some lazy muslim in welfare so they can murder my family.

 

[Phoenall]

What about the problems faced by the Jews from these Palestinian terrorists then. Maybe if you thought properly you would see that the blame lies with all of islam

Phoney,shoony,joony,poony means confused, can't you find any other job to feed yourself.

I am retired and self supporting, unlike you muslims who are the biggest scroungers on this earth.
I bet you would not dare say that to my face either being a coward, unless you had 10 heavily armed other muslims to back you up.

I am your worst nightmare as I have researched islam and the koran and know what your plans are.

You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

So you admit that the Palestinians are terrorist then as they attack with the intention of killing the innocent children.

The biggest terrorists are the muslims as shown by their attacks all over the world, just look at the genocides they have been involved in, and the terrorist attacks in America when 3000 innocents were mass murdered, or the terrorist attacks in London the mass murdered 50 innocents. Then look at Syria with 300,000 innocents mass murdered, Ethiopia when millions were mass murdered, Somali where millions are being murdered. lastly the Armenian massacre when 1 million were murdered by muslim terrorists, and India when 50 million innocents lost their lives as a direct result of islamonaxi terrorism

Look Israel is a country, listed in UNO and people of palestine are freedom fighter if Palestinian involved in those incident then Israel is responsible for that too as invader. 50 million hindu killed by muslim is wrong means there should be less hindu in india than muslim.

Yes Israel is a country covered by international laws that means it can defend aggressively against muslim attacks. Freedom fighters don't fire illegal weapons at children in another nation to terrorise their parents into leaving so the terrorists can steal the land. Israel did not invade anywhere and you cant find any evidence to support this claim. How many billions of Hindu's lived in India when the muslims went on one of their rampages and tried to wipe them out from the lands they stole in 1945 ?

 

[Phoenall]

...You are psycho who spreading hate but nothing and I will you terrorist as well to me any who killing innocent people is terrorist and Israel is number one terrorist and you are their propagandist agent.

Want Israel to stop killing so-called Palestinians?

Then the Palestinians must stop giving them reasons to kill them.

Stop the rocket barrages, stop the suicide attacks, stop the random attacks upon Israelis, and Israel will stop retaliating.

You are being squeezed off of the few postage-stamp -sized fragments of land that you still control, and you are being walled-off, to prevent you from harming sane people.

Not even your half-crazy Muslim-Arab neighbor-countries want anything to do with you - most of you are too Mad Dog -like for them to feel safe, taking you in.

Even stupid people know better than to poke at a Lion with blunt sticks.

In truth, you need to leave, and not come back.

Get your families out of there, while there is still time, and shake off the insanity of Hamas and Fatah, and build new and safe and happier lives, someplace else.

Meanwhile, put the stick down... before you get hurt again... assuming that you're smart enough to understand why it is necessary to put down the stick.

Palestinians attack Israel & kill one or more Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

Israel is invader and israel should vacant the land of Palestine, simple.

No the invaders are the muslims who never lived on the land from 1099 until 1875. They are the ones who should vacate the land and move. Then vacate all the other lands they have stolen by force until they are all squashed into the empty quarter. Then the west should build a wall 100 feet high around arabia so they can never get back out