Indiana is for Bigots - video and Pence running for cover

[PaintMyHouse]

Hmmm....I wonder how a gay restaurant owner would feel if he were forced to, by law, serve a table of 6 who are all wearing "vote NO for gay marriage" shirts.

If he's smart the only creed, opinion, or color he cares about is green. Business is business, neither politics nor religion.

 

[Flopper]

Governor Pence claimed that “We in Indiana are just following the message of scripture. Jesus would have never welcomed a sinner into his workplace.” Forget that gays are not sinners for being gay, it is noteworthy that in the bible Jesus lived among and embraced sinners. Obviously, the Jesus Pence follows is nowhere to be found in the Christian bible, but his statement referring to “a sinner” reveals a deeper meaning to the legalized discrimination bill he just signed into law.

The Real Unseen Danger of Indiana s Legal Discrimination Law

 

[AmericanFirst]

Christians founded this nation on Christian principles.

No, Sweetheart, they didn't, and the founding document doesn't mention God, or Jesus, and forbids making this into a Christian Nation, by law. There's nothing Christian about founding a secular nation.

No, asshat you are wrong.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Christians founded this nation on Christian principles.

No, Sweetheart, they didn't, and the founding document doesn't mention God, or Jesus, and forbids making this into a Christian Nation, by law. There's nothing Christian about founding a secular nation.

No, asshat you are wrong.

No, Sweetheart, I am not. You can read the Founders views on religion for yourself. Start here: 5 Founding Fathers Whose Skepticism About Christianity Would Make Them Unelectable Today Alternet

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Governor Pence claimed that “We in Indiana are just following the message of scripture. Jesus would have never welcomed a sinner into his workplace.” Forget that gays are not sinners for being gay, it is noteworthy that in the bible Jesus lived among and embraced sinners. Obviously, the Jesus Pence follows is nowhere to be found in the Christian bible, but his statement referring to “a sinner” reveals a deeper meaning to the legalized discrimination bill he just signed into law.

The Real Unseen Danger of Indiana s Legal Discrimination Law

I think you need to provide a video of Pence actually stating that. It would have been all over the media.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Governor Pence claimed that “We in Indiana are just following the message of scripture. Jesus would have never welcomed a sinner into his workplace.” Forget that gays are not sinners for being gay, it is noteworthy that in the bible Jesus lived among and embraced sinners. Obviously, the Jesus Pence follows is nowhere to be found in the Christian bible, but his statement referring to “a sinner” reveals a deeper meaning to the legalized discrimination bill he just signed into law.

The Real Unseen Danger of Indiana s Legal Discrimination Law

I think you need to provide a video of Pence actually stating that. It would have been all over the media.

Never mind, I see what loon site you found it on. Coo coo

 

[bripat9643]

As another poster noted, when someone starts posting nothing but pictures, you know they are losing.

I've never seen anything of substance from slaptrap

You ever will. Ad hominems is all he ever posts.

 

[ChrisL]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

His point is bullshit. If I'm a Jewish doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Gay people aren't killing or hurting other people by the simple act of being gay.

Actually, yes they are. They're spreading HIV around which kills people.

So, you would let another human being die because he or she is gay? And you consider yourself a "religious" person? What would God think about that? That's really twisted. Some of you people make religion look like a very UGLY thing.

No, but that isn't the point. Do you believe a Jewish doctor should be forced to treat a former Nazi concentration camp commandant? Only an asshole would say yes. The choice should be left up to the individual.

I'm an atheist, so religion has nothing to do with it.

Do you know that Israeli doctors treat wounded Palestinians? THAT is what a real doctor does. Saves lives. Nobody HAS to force them, because that is the humane thing to do.

Well, you fight awfully hard for bigoted religious views for a person who claims religion has nothing to do with it.

 

[bripat9643]

As another poster noted, when someone starts posting nothing but pictures, you know they are losing.

I've never seen anything of substance from slaptrap

You never will. Ad hominems is all he ever posts.

 

[ChrisL]

look....if that's what Indiana wants ....who are we to say no?

I do respect their decision.

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

His point is bullshit. If I'm a Jewish doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Gay people aren't killing or hurting other people by the simple act of being gay.

Actually, yes they are. They're spreading HIV around which kills people.

What? You think they intentionally spread diseases now too?

Look, although I don't understand "gay" and while I don't believe it is a "normal" state of being, that is no reason for such hatred. I don't think people should be FORCED by the government to do business with anyone. That is MY stance. However, that is an idiotic decision for a business owner to make, and THEY will pay the price. It will not hurt them to bake a cake or take pictures. They don't have to agree with that marriage to do those things. Gay people are human beings too.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Because it violates the constitution.

The 14th amendment clearly says that everyone is to be treated equally under the law.

The government of Indiana has written and passed a law that makes it legal to not treat everyone equally under the law.

The federal Constitution trumps state laws. If a state law violates the constitution that law isn't implemented.

I'm sure that people are right now taking steps to challenge that law in court. No court in the nation is going to allow a state to violate the Constitution.

I just want to know how a gay person is going to be able to eat food if the only store in their small town won't sell food to them because they're gay?

Or how is a gay person going to get the proper medical treatment if the only doctor in their small town refuses to treat them because they're gay?

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

His point is bullshit. If I'm a Jewish doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Gay people aren't killing or hurting other people by the simple act of being gay.

Actually, yes they are. They're spreading HIV around which kills people.

What? You think they intentionally spread diseases now too?

Look, although I don't understand "gay" and while I don't believe it is a "normal" state of being, that is no reason for such hatred. I don't think people should be FORCED by the government to do business with anyone. That is MY stance. However, that is an idiotic decision for a business owner to make, and THEY will pay the price. It will not hurt them to bake a cake or take pictures. They don't have to agree with that marriage to do those things. Gay people are human beings too.

To be fair the homosexuals are the largest faction of new AIDS cases being reported to the CDC. It's not intentional, it's being irresponsible and poor judgement

 

[ChrisL]

Well, you make a good point, especially with the doctor. I don't like it though. The government telling you that you don't have the choice when it is your own business? Besides, gay is not a religion, nor is it a race or gender.

His point is bullshit. If I'm a Jewish doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Gay people aren't killing or hurting other people by the simple act of being gay.

Actually, yes they are. They're spreading HIV around which kills people.

What? You think they intentionally spread diseases now too?

Look, although I don't understand "gay" and while I don't believe it is a "normal" state of being, that is no reason for such hatred. I don't think people should be FORCED by the government to do business with anyone. That is MY stance. However, that is an idiotic decision for a business owner to make, and THEY will pay the price. It will not hurt them to bake a cake or take pictures. They don't have to agree with that marriage to do those things. Gay people are human beings too.

To be fair the homosexuals are the largest faction of new AIDS cases being reported to the CDC. It's not intentional, it's being irresponsible and poor judgement

I think every single person on earth has, at least once (but most likely many times), been irresponsible and practiced poor judgment.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

His point is bullshit. If I'm a Jewish doctor and you're a Nazi and I don't want to treat you for a mortal injury, then you are going to die. Tough shit for you.

Gay people aren't killing or hurting other people by the simple act of being gay.

Actually, yes they are. They're spreading HIV around which kills people.

What? You think they intentionally spread diseases now too?

Look, although I don't understand "gay" and while I don't believe it is a "normal" state of being, that is no reason for such hatred. I don't think people should be FORCED by the government to do business with anyone. That is MY stance. However, that is an idiotic decision for a business owner to make, and THEY will pay the price. It will not hurt them to bake a cake or take pictures. They don't have to agree with that marriage to do those things. Gay people are human beings too.

To be fair the homosexuals are the largest faction of new AIDS cases being reported to the CDC. It's not intentional, it's being irresponsible and poor judgement

I think every single person on earth has, at least once (but most likely many times), been irresponsible and practiced poor judgment.

I agree and I'm simply pointing out a fact. If the gays are the faction with the most amount of new cases they are obviously using less judgement then the other groups.

 

[bripat9643]

How is it relevant to anything in this discussion?

 

[orogenicman]

When your religious beliefs impacts my ability to do business, it is my business.

Newsflash:

When your lifestyle or choices/genetic predisposition impacts my ability to do business, it's my business, too.

What lifestyle could possibly negatively impact your ability to do business?

If it turns your stomach, I question your claim not to dislike them.

See my recent thread on my moral dilemma regarding homosexuality.

Ok, done. And?

And if people of faith are being brought before a court for discriminating against gays, then that's what they deserve.

That did not answer my question.

That is my response.

This is the exact same argument used by racists in the south to insist on segregation. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

That's funny. Such asininity deserves but only riotous laughter. You abhor stereotypes of homosexuals, but resort to stereotyping a southerner like me as racist. How...tolerant.

Erm, I live in Georgia, dude.

Why? I am under no obligation to respect any religious belief.

You don't have to. But you don't have the right to change them.

Tell that to David Koresh. Oh wait...

I despise religion in general, and certain religions specifically. But I have no qualms with most of the people who hold to those faiths. Most of them are kind, decent people.

Interestingly, that opinion changes when they happen to oppose homosexuality, am I correct?

Not at all. Unlike most Christians who claim to, I actually do hate the "sin", but love the "sinner".

If there was a homeless gay couple on the street begging for coin, I'd give them some money, and the names of places who are hiring.

But forget the cake, right?

If there was a needy gay couple with children who needed clothes, I'd without hesitation give them my hand-me-downs.

But no cake, right?

If that same gay couple needed food, not only I, but my grandmother would cook them a hot meal.

Nobody is questioning that you are compassionate towards your fellow man. But where is it written that the rest of Christianity gets to be uncompassionate?

If that selfsame gay couple came to our overtly racist (sarcasm) Southern Christian church for food, clothing, or any type of assistance the church is capable of providing, we would ALL take pity and do what we can for them. Our views of homosexuality are irrelevant.

And yet you seem to support a law that gives Christian business owners license to be hateful, uncompassionate assholes.

 

[ChrisL]

Gay people aren't killing or hurting other people by the simple act of being gay.

Actually, yes they are. They're spreading HIV around which kills people.

What? You think they intentionally spread diseases now too?

Look, although I don't understand "gay" and while I don't believe it is a "normal" state of being, that is no reason for such hatred. I don't think people should be FORCED by the government to do business with anyone. That is MY stance. However, that is an idiotic decision for a business owner to make, and THEY will pay the price. It will not hurt them to bake a cake or take pictures. They don't have to agree with that marriage to do those things. Gay people are human beings too.

To be fair the homosexuals are the largest faction of new AIDS cases being reported to the CDC. It's not intentional, it's being irresponsible and poor judgement

I think every single person on earth has, at least once (but most likely many times), been irresponsible and practiced poor judgment.

I agree and I'm simply pointing out a fact. If the gays are the faction with the most amount of new cases they are obviously using less judgement then the other groups.

Okay, but is that any reason why they can't have cake?

 

[orogenicman]

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Yeah so, when is a business a "state?" A business cannot pass laws.

How has the baker, or any other purveyor of goods or services, denied a gay couple equal protection under the law by not serving them? There are plenty of other places for them to go. The one thing they still have is a choice, even after being denied. If nobody wanted to serve them, that would change things, wouldn't it?

Dude, we are talking about the State of Indiana passing a law telling Christian business owners that if they discriminate against gays, they are protected at the expense of gays. It is a violation of the equal protection clause.

 

[ChrisL]

How is it relevant to anything in this discussion?

Who are you talking to? Me?

 

[Jarhead]

Hmmm....I wonder how a gay restaurant owner would feel if he were forced to, by law, serve a table of 6 who are all wearing "vote NO for gay marriage" shirts.

If he's smart the only creed, opinion, or color he cares about is green. Business is business, neither politics nor religion.

maybe you would have no issue compromising your belief system in an effort to make money...but not everyone feels that ay.

 

[ChrisL]

No cake for you! The cake Nazi says.