India:man drugs family, cuts their throats, still good though, no gun used.

[2aguy]

Whew.......this is good....a man murdered his wife, children and parents, but didn't use a gun........so...a win for gun grabbers everywhere......right?

14 people murdered and not one shot fired.......a good day for gun control....right?

From the news piece below...he used a butcher knife.......so...obviously.....we now need to enact knife control...at all levels.?....

I am thinking that no one needs metal knifes for cooking...plastic is just as good...right?


so we ban all metal knifes...only the police and military get them. We license any chefs who use knives, and we license all the remaining knives so if a crime or mass murder is committed witht them we can punish the original owner no matter if he is involved at all or not.......

did I cover all the right anti knife bases?

wE also need to ban sedatives of all kinds...especially NyQuil, and even Benadryl.........

Indian Knife Massacre: Only the US Has the Kind of Mass Murders That Embarrass President Obama - The Truth About Guns

“Hasnin Anwar Warekar drugged his wife, children and parents and then slit their throats at a party on Saturday evening before hanging himself, according to reports.” Fourteen of them in Thane, India. A mass murder by any definition. Only it didn’t happen. It simply couldn’t have. Because President Obama himself — the leader of the free world — has taken precious time away from the links to tell us just how unique we are in this. That mass killings don’t happen in other countries as they do here. Since other, more enlightened nations . . .

from the news story.....

Accountant 'drugs and slits throats of 14 members of his own family' at party

Neighbours heard Warekar's sister screaming for help some time after midnight, following a family gathering on Saturday evening.

Indian media have reported that Warekar either laced the evening meal with a sedative or waited until his family had gone to bed before bolting the doors of the house and beginning his assault.

Thane Police spokesperson Gajanan Laxman Kabdule told AFP news agency that investigators were awaiting forensic analysis to determine whether the victims had been drugged. He added that details of the attack were "still sketchy."

Ashutosh Dumbre, joint commissioner of Thane police, said: “Prima facie evidence suggests that the accused bolted all the doors of the house and murdered his family while they were asleep with a knife that we found near his body.”

 

[2aguy]

If they use Facebook, Twitter and the rest of social media...they could have a real problem on their hands..........copycats have been shown a new way.......and you can ban guns all day long..........

 

[Dragonlady]

You can't stop all the crazies in the world by restricting guns, but you could cut the the suicide by gun and accidental shooting rates to almost zero by enacting First World gun control laws.

Your murder rates would be substantially reduced as well.

 

[OldLady]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

 

[JimBowie1958]

You can't stop all the crazies in the world by restricting guns, but you could cut the the suicide by gun and accidental shooting rates to almost zero by enacting First World gun control laws.

Your murder rates would be substantially reduced as well.

And what good does reducing suicide rates do if they just use a different weapon or means? A person who is determined to kill themselves will find a way, regardless.

You just want to see the rest of us disarmed and subjugated to criminals and corrupt politicians.

 

[JimBowie1958]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

'You can keep your doctor.'

'You can keep you insurance plan if you like it.'

'You will see insurance premiums go down by $2500 annually...'

You were saying?

 

[2aguy]

You can't stop all the crazies in the world by restricting guns, but you could cut the the suicide by gun and accidental shooting rates to almost zero by enacting First World gun control laws.

Your murder rates would be substantially reduced as well.

do you know that Japan, South Korea, China have almost total gun control...and have higher suicide rates than us......? and that Norway, France, and other European countries with strict gun control have higher suicide rates than us...?

and that as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate has gone down...not up....

do you understand any of that?

 

[2aguy]

oh good....you included wars...

if you throw in the 12,000,000 unarmed, innocent men, women and children the Europeans murdered in the 1940s.......not war dead, but the victims of mass murder in gas chambers....


Then the European murder rate is higher than our murder rate each year........if you include the European skill at mass murder........

 

[2aguy]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

 

[2aguy]

and looking close....you have to include suicides....that would be called lying........because without suicides your numbers are so tiny they would not show up.....


Please...continue to lie...we will continue to show you as the liars you are........

 

[Dragonlady]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

Normal gun ownership IS the problem. The problem isn't the number of deaths in mass shootings, it's the overall death rate by gun in the US.

It's the suicides, the accidental shootings, the enormous numbers of children involved in accidental shootings, it's the safety of women and children in homes with guns.

Compare all of these statistics to those nations with strict restrictions on gun ownership.

 

[bodecea]

Whew.......this is good....a man murdered his wife, children and parents, but didn't use a gun........so...a win for gun grabbers everywhere......right?

14 people murdered and not one shot fired.......a good day for gun control....right?

From the news piece below...he used a butcher knife.......so...obviously.....we now need to enact knife control...at all levels.?....

I am thinking that no one needs metal knifes for cooking...plastic is just as good...right?


so we ban all metal knifes...only the police and military get them. We license any chefs who use knives, and we license all the remaining knives so if a crime or mass murder is committed witht them we can punish the original owner no matter if he is involved at all or not.......

did I cover all the right anti knife bases?

wE also need to ban sedatives of all kinds...especially NyQuil, and even Benadryl.........

Indian Knife Massacre: Only the US Has the Kind of Mass Murders That Embarrass President Obama - The Truth About Guns

“Hasnin Anwar Warekar drugged his wife, children and parents and then slit their throats at a party on Saturday evening before hanging himself, according to reports.” Fourteen of them in Thane, India. A mass murder by any definition. Only it didn’t happen. It simply couldn’t have. Because President Obama himself — the leader of the free world — has taken precious time away from the links to tell us just how unique we are in this. That mass killings don’t happen in other countries as they do here. Since other, more enlightened nations . . .

from the news story.....

Accountant 'drugs and slits throats of 14 members of his own family' at party

Neighbours heard Warekar's sister screaming for help some time after midnight, following a family gathering on Saturday evening.

Indian media have reported that Warekar either laced the evening meal with a sedative or waited until his family had gone to bed before bolting the doors of the house and beginning his assault.

Thane Police spokesperson Gajanan Laxman Kabdule told AFP news agency that investigators were awaiting forensic analysis to determine whether the victims had been drugged. He added that details of the attack were "still sketchy."

Ashutosh Dumbre, joint commissioner of Thane police, said: “Prima facie evidence suggests that the accused bolted all the doors of the house and murdered his family while they were asleep with a knife that we found near his body.”

Well, thank goodness for that.

 

[2aguy]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

Normal gun ownership IS the problem. The problem isn't the number of deaths in mass shootings, it's the overall death rate by gun in the US.

It's the suicides, the accidental shootings, the enormous numbers of children involved in accidental shootings, it's the safety of women and children in homes with guns.

Compare all of these statistics to those nations with strict restrictions on gun ownership.

How many children would that be...do you know....?

And suicides in Japan, China and South Korea where they have 0 access to guns are way higher than here in the U.S....dittos for France and many other countries in Europe.

And the only difference is that European criminals who have easy access to guns don't commit murder........I have posted story after story of criminals in Europe and their use of fully automatic rifles and grenades........so access isn't the problem...

Also...Britains gun murder rate was lower than ours before they confiscated their guns....and after they confiscated their guns...their gun murder rate stayed the same....how do you explain that?

And you did not answer the question....how is it that 13 million American carry guns for self defense...and our gun murder rate went down....? Care to answer that?

 

[2aguy]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

Normal gun ownership IS the problem. The problem isn't the number of deaths in mass shootings, it's the overall death rate by gun in the US.

It's the suicides, the accidental shootings, the enormous numbers of children involved in accidental shootings, it's the safety of women and children in homes with guns.

Compare all of these statistics to those nations with strict restrictions on gun ownership.

Here you go...some actual facts so you can understand what you are trying to talk about...

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

And here is the FBI table 8……it is a great table because it goes back4 years to show the rates of decrease….

FBI Table 2004

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2008

2014 table…..

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

From 2014…..and I added 2011……

2006

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 and

2006 fbi table 8

Murder by firearm….

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports - 2000

gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,124
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505
Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Here are the stats on some common types of death....it would be better to start a crusade to teach people how to walk upright...and save them from falling deaths...you would save more lives.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)
Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974

2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505
So...accidental gun deaths have been coming down as more people own and carry guns for self defense....now 12.8 million people actually carry guns for self defense......on their person, and the accidental gun death rate is going down, not up.

 

[2aguy]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

Normal gun ownership IS the problem. The problem isn't the number of deaths in mass shootings, it's the overall death rate by gun in the US.

It's the suicides, the accidental shootings, the enormous numbers of children involved in accidental shootings, it's the safety of women and children in homes with guns.

Compare all of these statistics to those nations with strict restrictions on gun ownership.

Okay...so here we have the actual stats...actual stats....on gun deaths of children, both murder and accidents.....

Do you only care if they are killed by a gun...? Because more kids are murdered by other things instead of guns....and the gun accidental death rate of kids....tiny...considering we have 72 million children in the country...

Do these numbers mean anything at all to you.....? Do you understand the difference in the deaths vs. the total population of children...and the number of kids by other things and those murdered with guns?

I thought not?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703

Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

(in a country with over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands in 2013.....and 72 million children in the country.....do you understand the difference in the numbers?)

 

[2aguy]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

Normal gun ownership IS the problem. The problem isn't the number of deaths in mass shootings, it's the overall death rate by gun in the US.

It's the suicides, the accidental shootings, the enormous numbers of children involved in accidental shootings, it's the safety of women and children in homes with guns.

Compare all of these statistics to those nations with strict restrictions on gun ownership.

Do you understand that the majority of gun murder in this country is committed by career, violent criminals against other career criminals...? That 90% of the gun murderers in this country are not normal people that they have long histories of violence and crime?

Do you even understand that?

 

[2aguy]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

Normal gun ownership IS the problem. The problem isn't the number of deaths in mass shootings, it's the overall death rate by gun in the US.

It's the suicides, the accidental shootings, the enormous numbers of children involved in accidental shootings, it's the safety of women and children in homes with guns.

Compare all of these statistics to those nations with strict restrictions on gun ownership.

Okay.....how do you explain accidental gun deaths going down, not up as 13 million Americans now own and carry guns for self defense.....care to tackle that fact?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

 

[Dragonlady]

One horrible incident in India does not equate with the multiple mass murders committed daily and weekly in this country involving guns. Those statistics do not lie. The President does not lie. He has not done enough to stop it.

There were 4 mass public shooting last year...totol number of dead...37.


hE wants to use a tiny problem ( 35,000 people were killed in car accidents) to take guns away from over normal people who own 356,991,876 million guns which they do not use in gum mirder....

and how do you explain that as more people carry guns in the U.S....our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
Please explain the problem in light of the actual facts, the truth and the reality.....

We have a criminal problem....they commit almost all of the gun murder mainly against each other....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....but people like you focus entirely on them....people not committing crimes with guns....

Why is that?

Normal gun ownership IS the problem. The problem isn't the number of deaths in mass shootings, it's the overall death rate by gun in the US.

It's the suicides, the accidental shootings, the enormous numbers of children involved in accidental shootings, it's the safety of women and children in homes with guns.

Compare all of these statistics to those nations with strict restrictions on gun ownership.

Do you understand that the majority of gun murder in this country is committed by career, violent criminals against other career criminals...? That 90% of the gun murderers in this country are not normal people that they have long histories of violence and crime?

Do you even understand that?

Do you understand that it is not just the rate of gun murder in the US, it's the rate of suicide by gun, combined with accidental shootings, especially those involving children, in addition to murder by gun, and mass shootings?

31,500 people die by gunshot wounds in the US each year. Only about 7,000 are murder victims. 18,000 are suicides. The rest are accidental shootings, almost as many as are murdered.

Americans want terrorism stopped, but more people die because they had easy access to a firearm than die at the hands of terrorists in the US.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

You can't stop all the crazies in the world by restricting guns, but you could cut the the suicide by gun and accidental shooting rates to almost zero by enacting First World gun control laws.

Your murder rates would be substantially reduced as well.

Do you support assisted suicide?