Increasing public unrest in Israel

[gipper]

sure you do.

We aren’t the same. I oppose all war and terrorism. You don’t. In fact, you support terrorism as long as the Zionist apartheid regime commits it.

Fuvking psychopath!

 

[Shusha]

I'm glad to hear of your even handed sentiments.

That's all that I have been arguing for;
an even handed treatment of both parties .

Thanks

Great. You would agree, then, that BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab people have a right to self-determination in that land and you agree that BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab people have a right to return to that land?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

A very messed up society, the sooner its freed from the Zionist grip the better.

 

[Grau]

Great. You would agree, then, that BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab people have a right to self-determination in that land and you agree that BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab people have a right to return to that land?

As I understand it, Israel's Jews already have self determination, the Right of Return and, legally, the right to buy a home in the state of his choice.

I also agree that what you wrote earlier must be considered:

"That said, there are other considerations, limitations, and boundaries (for both)."

I would suggest that the boundaries be approximately what UN Resolutions # 242 and # 338 call for.

For me to be much more specific than "even handed", "equitable", I would have to show you an example of how I would ideally like Israelis and Palestinians to get along:


“Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...

www.972mag.com

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.”

Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers.

He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly. Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED

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At the moment with violence on a seeming upward spiral it feels naive to think of such an idyllic possibility.

Believe it or not, I have seen what modern munitions do to human bone and tissue and am no less saddened by the death, mutilation or burning of an Israeli / Jewish man, woman or child than a victim of a different background.
We all bleed red.

I genuinely believe that Netanyahu, Gallant, Dickter, Ben-Gvir etc are endangering everyday Israelis and offering far less security by costing Israel allies and recruiting generations of Islamic terrorists / resistance fighters from the world's 1.7 Billion Muslims.

Delusions about wiping out Hamas ignores the reality that another similar group will immediately replace it and another after that.

Finally, right wing "Settlers" with IDF's complicity are murdering, rampaging and poisoning the surrounding Palestinian land with their weaponized raw sewage.

Peace will remain impossible as long as right wing "Settler" types don't respect the boundaries you mentioned.


"Israel Does Not Want Peace"

Israel does not want peace

Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

www.haaretz.com

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise." CONTINUED

 

[0311]

I wonder at what point a Zionist would say, the Nazi holocaust became actualized? Would they have called it a genocide after 100,000 victims? or does it need to be higher, say 500,000 victims?

If we go back in history to the first 10,000 victims murdered in gas chambers, would that - at that point - technically be genocide?

I ask this because I want to understand the Zionists use of numbers, what are the actual numeric criteria they use to designate the Holocaust as genocide because they seem to have one set of criteria for the Nazi genocide and another set for the Gaza genocide and that's not right.

Netanyahood knows the moment the war ends, he is out on his ass. He will continue his genocide for as long as he can.

 

[el midgetron]

We aren’t the same. I oppose all war and terrorism. You don’t. In fact, you support terrorism as long as the Zionist apartheid regime commits it.

Fuvking psychopath!

Well, then if that’s the case, it would seem like you would denounce HAMAS with the same regularity that you do Israel. I haven’t seen you berating HAMAS supporters as “psychopaths”.

Something tells me you aren’t being completely honest.

 

[gipper]

Well, then if that’s the case, it would seem like you would denounce HAMAS with the same regularity that you do Israel. I haven’t seen you berating HAMAS supporters as “psychopaths”.

Something tells me you aren’t being completely honest.

I’m certain you’d support this and see absolutely nothing wrong with executing prisoners, as long as they’re Arabs. Terrorist!

Ben-Gvir calls for executing Palestinian prisoners​

Far-right Israeli National Security Minister and member of Benjamin Netanyahu's government, Itamar Ben-Gvir, has said he wants to kill Palestinian prisoners by 'shooting them in the head'.​

Ben-Gvir calls for executing Palestinian prisoners

 

[gipper]

Well, then if that’s the case, it would seem like you would denounce HAMAS with the same regularity that you do Israel. I haven’t seen you berating HAMAS supporters as “psychopaths”.

Something tells me you aren’t being completely honest.

The following will brighten your day…

Indeed, the Israelis continued to generate an avalanche of gripping content for those videos. Mobs of Israeli activists regularly blocked the passage of food-trucks, and within a few weeks, senior UN officials declared that more than a million Gazans were on the verge of a deadly famine. When the desperate, starving Gazans swarmed one of those few food delivery convoys allowed through, the Israeli military shot and killed more than 100 of them in the “Flour Massacre” and this was later repeated. All these horrific scenes of death and deliberate starvation were broadcast worldwide on social media, with some of the worst examples coming from the accounts of gleeful Israeli soldiers, such as their video of the corpse of a Palestinian child being eaten by a starving dog. Another image showed the remains of a bound Palestinian prisoner who had been crushed flat while still alive by an Israeli tank. According to a European human rights organization, the Israelis had regularly used bulldozers to bury alive large numbers of Palestinians. UN officials reported finding mass gravesnear several hospitals, with the victims found bound and stripped, shot execution-style. As Internet provocateur Andrew Anglin has pointed out, the behavior of the Israeli Jews does not seem merely evil but “cartoonishly evil,” with all their blatant crimes seeming to be based upon the script of some over-the-top propaganda-film but instead actually taking place in real life.

 

[el midgetron]

I’m certain you’d support this and see absolutely nothing wrong with executing prisoners, as long as they’re Arabs. Terrorist!

Shut your faggy mouth. I have nothing but love for “Arabs”. Your dishonest ass knows my issue is with Islamic terrorists.

I’ll wash the feet of an “Arab” Christian.

This is who you bend over like a bitch for -

 

[el midgetron]

The following will brighten your day…

Indeed, the Israelis continued to generate an avalanche of gripping content for those videos. Mobs of Israeli activists regularly blocked the passage of food-trucks, and within a few weeks, senior UN officials declared that more than a million Gazans were on the verge of a deadly famine. When the desperate, starving Gazans swarmed one of those few food delivery convoys allowed through, the Israeli military shot and killed more than 100 of them in the “Flour Massacre” and this was later repeated. All these horrific scenes of death and deliberate starvation were broadcast worldwide on social media, with some of the worst examples coming from the accounts of gleeful Israeli soldiers, such as their video of the corpse of a Palestinian child being eaten by a starving dog. Another image showed the remains of a bound Palestinian prisoner who had been crushed flat while still alive by an Israeli tank. According to a European human rights organization, the Israelis had regularly used bulldozers to bury alive large numbers of Palestinians. UN officials reported finding mass gravesnear several hospitals, with the victims found bound and stripped, shot execution-style. As Internet provocateur Andrew Anglin has pointed out, the behavior of the Israeli Jews does not seem merely evil but “cartoonishly evil,” with all their blatant crimes seeming to be based upon the script of some over-the-top propaganda-film but instead actually taking place in real life.

Why would I even bother reading a huge block of copy and pasted test you don’t even provide a citation for?

It’s apparently fromWikipeadia. But as soon as I have to attempt to do your due diligence, I lose interest.

I’ll tell you right now, if my neighbors fired rockets at me, fuck them.

 

[el midgetron]

I’m certain you’d support this and see absolutely nothing wrong with executing prisoners, as long as they’re Arabs. Terrorist!

Do you support the muslims who murder homosexuals? Or do you support the homosexuals who defend Islam?



It’s parody level, is this homo for real?

 

[Shusha]

I would suggest that the boundaries be approximately what UN Resolutions # 242 and # 338 call for.

Leaving aside your inaccurate representation of UN resolutions, the borders should be negotiated between the parties.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project.

I disagree. Jews living in Judea and Samaria are neither an obstacle to peace nor evidence of an unwillingness for peace. This is a story you've been told. The presence of Jews in Palestine is not any more inherently problematic than the presence of Arabs in Israel. And many claiming pro-Palestine ideas proudly state that "Jews and Arabs got along fine". Make it so. A Jewish population of about 25% (500,000-750,000) in an eventual State of Palestine, just as there is in Israel now, is demonstrably not an obstacle to peace. And we do all agree that ethnic cleansing is not morally correct, do we not?

 

[Grau]

Leaving aside your inaccurate representation of UN resolutions, the borders should be negotiated between the parties.

I disagree. Jews living in Judea and Samaria are neither an obstacle to peace nor evidence of an unwillingness for peace. This is a story you've been told. The presence of Jews in Palestine is not any more inherently problematic than the presence of Arabs in Israel. And many claiming pro-Palestine ideas proudly state that "Jews and Arabs got along fine". Make it so. A Jewish population of about 25% (500,000-750,000) in an eventual State of Palestine, just as there is in Israel now, is demonstrably not an obstacle to peace. And we do all agree that ethnic cleansing is not morally correct, do we not?

All I wrote about UN Resolutions #242 and # 338 was:

"I would suggest that the boundaries be approximately what UN Resolutions # 242 and # 338 call for."

How are my representations of these UN Resolutions "inaccurate" when I said nothing about them?

Re: I disagree. Jews living in Judea and Samaria are neither an obstacle to peace nor evidence of an unwillingness for peace.

I don't know how someone can live in a country and know so little about its realities.

You don't seem to know the nature of the violent, filthy and greedy "Settlers".

Would you want these violent, rabid and greedy miscreants as neighbors dumping their raw sewage in your well water?

"The devastating environmental effects of Israeli settler-colonialism in the West Bank"

"Israeli settlement expansion is not only illegal, it is also destroying Palestine's environment through the urbanization of the West Bank."

The devastating environmental effects of Israeli settler-colonialism in the West Bank

Israeli settlement expansion is not only illegal, it is also destroying Palestine’s environment through the urbanization of the West Bank.

mondoweiss.net

EXCERPT "Israel dumps 80% of the waste products generated from Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank. This in turn, “[pollutes] the Palestinian earth and water supply, while Israeli settlers in the West Bank – who produce similar amounts of wastewater to the Palestinian population, despite being outnumbered more than six to one – deliberately poison the water, land and livestock of nearby Palestinian villages”. This means that every year over “2 million cubic metres of raw [untreated] sewage flow into the valleys of streams of the [Palestinian] West Bank…[causing] severe damage through the West Bank… " CONTINUED


How can there be a viable, 2. state solution if murderous "Settlers" come into the Palestinian part and throw up sprawling and filthy Settlements whenever they like?

 

[gipper]

Why would I even bother reading a huge block of copy and pasted test you don’t even provide a citation for?

It’s apparently fromWikipeadia. But as soon as I have to attempt to do your due diligence, I lose interest.

I’ll tell you right now, if my neighbors fired rockets at me, fuck them.

Ignorance is required of you, so you can easily support a genocide.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Shut your faggy mouth. I have nothing but love for “Arabs”. Your dishonest ass knows my issue is with Islamic terrorists.

Yes, I've noticed a pattern though, you never seem to express disapproval of Zionist terrorists, just sayin...

 

[BothWings]

For all their pretentions about the "Right To Life", MAGA MAGGOTS don't two shits the babies being murdered Gaza.

I'm am for Trump 100% over Harris....but Israel is the one issue I don't support him on. It makes it hard for me, but I will still vote for him.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm am for Trump 100% over Harris....but Israel is the one issue I don't support him on. It makes it hard for me, but I will still vote for him.

Bear in mind disconcerting stuff like this:



After listening to Kushner's toy history of Gaza, spend a few minutes listening to the Israeli historian Pappe, who explains how Gaza was once a thriving, cosmopolitan coastal paradise prior to the rise of militant Zionism:

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

More on the recent exposé of fabricated Zionist propaganda in a Jewish news source:



Notice:

It has been claimed that the reports were part of a pro-Netanyahu disinformation campaign.

Zionism leads nowhere, just lies, misery, trouble, hatred, violence, destruction.

 

[el midgetron]

Yes, I've noticed a pattern though, you never seem to express disapproval of Zionist terrorists, just sayin...

It’s because I don’t disapprove of wiping Islamic terrorists off the map.