Increasing public unrest in Israel

[gipper]

The media is overwhelming liberal. Liberals are not “pro Israel”.

You’re a neocon, but don’t know it.

 

[el midgetron]

You’re a neocon, but don’t know it.

“Neocon” is so 2001. They call the right “Ultra MAGA” now.

The neoconservatives had a hidden geopolitical agenda. I never supported any of that. However, as I get older I am developing an appreciation of a perpetual “war on terror” where we endlessly bomb Islamic terrorist into hamburger.

“I love the smell of dead Muhammad’s in the morning”

 

[Grau]

Discussion founded on factual basis is not "dislike". It is simply presenting facts.

Empires, when broken, during the times in question and up until now, were given over to collectives of peoples under the principles of right to self-determination. The Jewish people are one of those collectives with right to self-determination. (As are the Arabs who identify as Palestinian.) There is no not-delusional argument to be made that the Jewish people originated in that land AFTER the Arab conquest. Let alone AFTER the identity of "Palestinian" was formed. The Jewish people are, without any doubt, the oldest surviving culture and indigenous peoples on that land. The entire collective of Jewish people, then, by definition, are NOT foreigners in their own land.

The argument you are - poorly - trying to make is that if some portion of people are removed from their land, by conquest, by colonization, by forced deportation, by cultural domination, by religious supersession, the act of removal disenfranchises them from their land and they become foreigners. I reject that premise, from both the point of view of the Jewish people, and from the point of view of the Arab Palestinians.

I've already presented more than enough facts to show that Palestine was predominantly Arab before the relatively recent invasion of foreign Zionist terrorist gangs and militant Jews whose mythical God they created just happened to return the favor by giving them Canaanite land.
Before the Canaanites, the Natufians tilled the soil of Palestine and after them, the Phoenicians

Even a cursory knowledge of ancient Levantine history reveals that the ancient Hebrew tribes who briefly and alternately occupied Palestine were just one of many groups of people.
Additionally, today's Israeli Jews are no more related to the Ancient Hebrew warriors than they are to the Eskimos.

It is only a bigoted sense of "Master Race" / "Chosen People" superiority than gives certain greedy and delusional Zionists, (not Jews) a pathological sense of entitlement to other people's homes, land and personal possessions.

The original "crime" committed by the Palestinians was simply existing on distant land coveted by militant foreign Zionists.

"DEMOGRAPHICS OF HISTORIC PALESTINE PRIOR TO 1948"​

Demographics of Historic Palestine prior to 1948

www.cjpme.org

EXCERPT "Nevertheless, the Ottoman census of 1878 indicated the following demographics for the Jerusalem, Nablus, and Acre districts:

Census Group	Population	Percentage
Muslim	403,795	85.5
Christian	43,659	9.2
Jewish	15,001	3.2
Jewish (Foreign-born)	Est. 10,000	2.1
Total:	472,455	100.0

You wrote:

....if some portion of people are removed from their land, by conquest, by colonization, by forced deportation, by cultural domination, by religious supersession, the act of removal disenfranchises them from their land and they become foreigners. I reject that premise, from both the point of view of the Jewish people, and from the point of view of the Arab Palestinians.

I read this passage three times and if you are sincere in your sentiments then the displaced Palestinians have the same Right of Return as Jews.

Are you really suggesting that Israel abide by International Law and adhere to UN Resolutions # 242 and # 338?

Please clarify,

 

[gipper]

“Neocon” is so 2001. They call the right “Ultra MAGA” now.

The neoconservatives had a hidden geopolitical agenda. I never supported any of that. However, as I get older I am developing an appreciation of a perpetual “war on terror” where we endlessly bomb Islamic terrorist into hamburger.

“I love the smell of dead Muhammad’s in the morning”

You’ve become that which you claim to abhor. You support genocide.

 

[el midgetron]

You’ve become that which you claim to abhor. You support genocide.

I never claimed to be against killing terrorists.

 

[gipper]

I never claimed to be against killing terrorists.

Yeah you’re for terrorists.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The media is overwhelming liberal. Liberals are not “pro Israel”.

The "media" is terrified of being accused of antisemitism, just accusing a party of that is often enough to silence them, so almost by definition the media is pro-Israel. When Jews are attacked we get endless coverage of it and see the usual hand wringing pity from the media. If Palestinians are attacked we get drip fed bits n pieces and always with the subtext that Jews are victims.

 

[el midgetron]

Yeah you’re for terrorists.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Is Israel intentionally attacking aid workers?

However, a disturbing pattern has emerged: Aid groups share their coordinates with Israeli authorities and then are attacked by the IDF at those same coordinates.

Christopher Lockyear, Secretary General of Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF), told the United Nations Security Council in February that “this pattern of attacks is either intentional or indicative of reckless incompetence.” Forty-eight hours earlier, a 120mm Israeli tank shell exploded in a MSF facility in Khan Younis, killing two people and severely injuring six others. It was the second time a MSF facility had been attacked by Israeli forces.

The White House is aware of this trend. In May, a Biden administration report to Congress noted the following:

"One specific area of concern is the impact of Israel’s military operations on humanitarian actors. Despite regular engagement from humanitarian actors and repeated USG interventions with Israeli officials on deconfliction/coordination procedures, the IDF has struck humanitarian workers and facilities. While Israel repeatedly committed to improve deconfliction and implemented some additional measures, those changes did not fully prevent subsequent strikes involving humanitarian workers and facilities.”

The article goes on to scrutinize 14 cases in detail.

 

[gipper]

Why do you support terrorism? Are you a Zionist?

 

[toomuchtime_]

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The war is terrible for both sides, but it is clearly the result of the 2005 Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the Palestinians' inextinguishable passion to try to destroy Israel and kill the Jews: if Israel had not withdrawn from Gaza in 2005, this terrible war could not have taken place. There clearly is no possible resolution to the conflict as long as the Palestinians remain determined to try to destroy Israel.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The war is terrible for both sides, but it is clearly the result of the 2005 Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the Palestinians' inextinguishable passion to try to destroy Israel and kill the Jews: if Israel had not withdrawn from Gaza in 2005, this terrible war could not have taken place. There clearly is no possible resolution to the conflict as long as the Palestinians remain determined to try to destroy Israel.

There is a resolution possible - wipe out the Zionist regime along with it's neo-Nazi ideology based on racial superiority. It has to go, the time has come, it was a huge mistake and now the Zionists have a choice - act like decent human beings or be destroyed, this is what we did with Nazi Germany and this is what we should do with Zionist Israel.

Economic sanctions, military sanctions and if these don't work then bomb the place like we did with Iraq to force a regime change. Enough of this stupid failed racist Zionist experiment, get rid of it and lets all move on.

 

[Shusha]

"SURPRISE' ATTACK WAS NO "SURPRISE"

Please quit pretending that 7 October 2023 was a "surprise" when the Israeli government had a year's advance notice,(1) countless other warnings from surrounding countries, a video produced by Hamas showing how when and where the attack would occur, and numerous complaints from guards at the world's most sophisticated border / Wall about government indifference.

Oh please. Did you read the article? Enough with conspiracy theories. Israel was aware that such an attack was aspired to. They did not believe it could be done, and/or that they would have sufficient further intelligence and enough warning. They had no idea when it was planned for.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Oh please. Did you read the article? Enough with conspiracy theories. Israel was aware that such an attack was aspired to. They did not believe it could be done, and/or that they would have sufficient further intelligence and enough warning. They had no idea when it was planned for.

May I ask exactly how you know this? or is it just some belief?

 

[Shusha]

I read this passage three times and if you are sincere in your sentiments then the displaced Palestinians have the same Right of Return as Jews.

Please clarify,

Ah, there ya go. Yes. Both peoples (as a collective) have rights to return to the land. It would be hypocritical for one to believe that only one group has rights to return and self-determination. Both groups must have the same rights.

That said, there are other considerations, limitations, and boundaries (for both).

 

[Shusha]

Is Israel intentionally attacking aid workers?






The article goes on to scrutinize 14 cases in detail.

The article hardly "scrutinized" the cases in detail. One-sided opinions are not scrutiny.

 

[el midgetron]

Why do you support terrorism? Are you a Zionist?

Nope. Just a small town boy who hates Islamic terrorists.

Why do you support terrorism? To praise Allah?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nope. Just a small town boy who hates Islamic terrorists.

Why do you support terrorism? To praise Allah?

I support resistance to tyranny, just as did Jews once but sadly have now forgotten what happened to them and hence doing to Arabs what the Germans once did to Jews.

Since I'm not a Jew or an Arab and have an education covering WW2 I am in a very good position to contrast Zionist Israel with Nazi Germany, I can be impartial and dispassionate whereas you and the Zionists in this forum, are overwhelmed with emotion and lack of objectivity.

My views on Zionist Israel today are little different to what my views of Nazi Germany would have been had I been old enough to gather the facts.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Warsaw 1943 and Gaza 2013 - The Nazis would be proud of how much the Zionists learned from them in just a few years.