In search of the source of trump's affection for Vlad.

[BackAgain]

In search of the source of bug’s addiction to lies.​

Not really. I don’t care about the source of bug’s addiction.

And nobody with a brain takes bug’s speculation (often falsely couched as “facts”) seriously, anyway.

 

[berg80]

He said to Medvedev, tell Vlad to stop complaining about missile defense, I don't want to build it either, but I can't say that before the 2012 election. After the election, I'll have more flexibility to stop the building of missile defense in Eastern Europe.

That's a blatant lie.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2012/10/obama-explains-russian-flexibility-comments-147419

Obama had previously drawn criticism from politicians in the U.S. and Europe for canceling the Bush-era plan to station land-based interceptors in Poland and the Czech Republic in 2009. Obama was further criticized for announcing the change on the day of the 70th anniversary of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland during World War II.

Conley said that announcement would “go down in the history of poorly timed announcements.”

Obama was also caught on an open mic in 2012 telling then-Russian President Dimitry Medvedev, that “After my election I have more flexibility,” with regard to the U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe.

Obama’s posture made the Poles and Czechs “very concerned” that the entire missile defense project would be abandoned by his administration, according to Conley.

But, she said, “What they wound up getting with the current system was more robust than they had anticipated.”

Conley said that the Obama administration might have switched gears on the Bush plan in part because it may have been trying to “buy time in order to make the case” to Russia that the new system was not directed against them.

She referred to that period as “the heady days of the ‘Russian Reset’ and New START treaty,” an attempt by the newly inaugurated Obama to repair relations with Russia and sign a new arms reduction treaty – and signal that the missile defense shield wasn’t a threat.

U.S. launches long-awaited European missile defense shield

The U.S. launched a new ground-based missile defense system in Romania Thursday, sparking fresh tensions with Russia, which quickly blasted the system as a threat to its security.

www.cnn.com

 

[berg80]

He said to Medvedev, tell Vlad to stop complaining about missile defense, I don't want to build it either, but I can't say that before the 2012 election. After the election, I'll have more flexibility to stop the building of missile defense in Eastern Europe.

It worked, the missile defense they were going to build in Poland never happened.

Did the system get built?

Not in Poland.
Where did it finally get built? What happened between 2012 and 2016?

Liar.

Conley said that the Obama administration might have switched gears on the Bush plan in part because it may have been trying to “buy time in order to make the case” to Russia that the new system was not directed against them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's a blatant lie.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2012/10/obama-explains-russian-flexibility-comments-147419

Obama had previously drawn criticism from politicians in the U.S. and Europe for canceling the Bush-era plan to station land-based interceptors in Poland and the Czech Republic in 2009. Obama was further criticized for announcing the change on the day of the 70th anniversary of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland during World War II.

Conley said that announcement would “go down in the history of poorly timed announcements.”

Obama was also caught on an open mic in 2012 telling then-Russian President Dimitry Medvedev, that “After my election I have more flexibility,” with regard to the U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe.

Obama’s posture made the Poles and Czechs “very concerned” that the entire missile defense project would be abandoned by his administration, according to Conley.

But, she said, “What they wound up getting with the current system was more robust than they had anticipated.”

Conley said that the Obama administration might have switched gears on the Bush plan in part because it may have been trying to “buy time in order to make the case” to Russia that the new system was not directed against them.

She referred to that period as “the heady days of the ‘Russian Reset’ and New START treaty,” an attempt by the newly inaugurated Obama to repair relations with Russia and sign a new arms reduction treaty – and signal that the missile defense shield wasn’t a threat.

U.S. launches long-awaited European missile defense shield

The U.S. launched a new ground-based missile defense system in Romania Thursday, sparking fresh tensions with Russia, which quickly blasted the system as a threat to its security.

www.cnn.com

That's a blatant lie.

Obama was also caught on an open mic in 2012 telling then-Russian President Dimitry Medvedev, that “After my election I have more flexibility,” with regard to the U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe.

Your own source shows it's a blatant truth.

Obama’s posture made the Poles and Czechs “very concerned” that the entire missile defense project would be abandoned by his administration, according to Conley.

No kidding, Obama canceled some missile defense projects in 2009.
Hadn't changed his mind.

Conley said that the Obama administration might have switched gears on the Bush plan in part because it may have been trying to “buy time in order to make the case” to Russia that the new system was not directed against them.

Putin didn't want it. Obama didn't want it.

She referred to that period as “the heady days of the ‘Russian Reset’

I know, Obama was sucking up to Putin since day one.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Liar.

Conley said that the Obama administration might have switched gears on the Bush plan in part because it may have been trying to “buy time in order to make the case” to Russia that the new system was not directed against them.

Liar.

Really?
Did the missile defense they were going to build in Poland get built in Poland?

Where did it finally get built? What happened between 2012 and 2016?

 

[blackhawk]

More TDSSSDD.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump’s Affinity for Putin Grows More Consequential Than Ever

In early 2017, American intelligence agencies delivered an unequivocal judgment about why President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered a sprawling effort to sabotage the recent American presidential election.

Mr. Putin wanted to cripple the faith Americans have in their own elections, they found, and to undermine a United States-led “liberal world order” that the Russians see as a threat to their security. As a way to achieve this goal, the assessment found, Russia worked to help Donald J. Trump win the election.

Eight years later, Mr. Trump sat in the Oval Office for a blustery meeting with President Voldymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and rendered, once again, his own judgment on that period. There was no Russian sabotage, just a “phony witch hunt” of which both he and Mr. Putin were victims.

“Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” he said.

The statement was a tell. The president sees common cause with Mr. Putin, a merging of interests forged through battles against those he believes are his and Mr. Putin’s mutual adversaries — including Democratic lawmakers, European leaders and a spectral “deep state” inside the U.S. government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/...putin-grows-more-consequential-than-ever.html

Putin could not have chosen a more willing partner than trump to achieve his goal of undermining faith in our elections. Don started saying the 2016 election was rigged months before any votes were cast. Even after he won he claimed, without evidence, millions of votes for Hillary were fraudulent.

Trump also seems hellbent to see the US recede as the leader of the free world by taking a more isolationist approach to foreign policy.

In these ways he sees himself as being aligned with Putin, because he is. As evidenced by the shocking events at the 2018 Helsinki conference and his parroting of Russian talking points during the recent, now infamous, Oval Office meeting with Zelenskyy.

It's weird to have the POTUS find common ground with, and affection for, a murderous dictator, right? It will never be normal, but it's the new reality.

It's not coincidence that Trump is talking about annexing territory.

It's important to remember that he is a malignant narcissist. All admiration is actually jealousy, with them.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's a blatant lie.

That's the point of Todd's post.

He repeats the lies over and over, then he gets his jollies watching everyone else do the monkey dance of sifting through the steaming pile of shit he just pinched off in the middle of the room.

Yawn.

 

[jknowgood]

Translation; you have zero supporting evidence for your assertion.

No I'm saying the news was out there, I guess you're too stupid to see it. Not my fault.

 

[JimH52]

Those with even a modicum of understanding of the past 30 years of history know that the U.S. and NATO have been antagonizing Moscow, daring them to pick a fight for the entire time since the Soviet Union collapsed. They broke the promise made to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastward, jettisoned the ABM treaty, deposed an elected President in Ukraine who promised to remain neutral, installed offensive missile launchers in Eastern Europe, and more.

Trump knows something that no other American politician will admit: The war in Russia could have been avoided if the U.S., NATO, or Ukraine had simply assured Putin that Ukraine would remain neutral - not under Russian domination, and not a member of NATO - just neutral.

And that is where we are headed today. At the end of the negotiations, Ukraine will be neutral - not a NATO member - and the fighting will end. Other details will be worked out, mainly how much of the former Ukraine will Russia retain, but the main point is that Ukraine will be neutral.

Those of us who have swallowed the Media and NeoCon characterizations of events over that time period - "Putin is evil!" - will characterize that resolution as Trump caving in to Putin.

What can I say? It is just stupid.

Apologizing for Poootin? Amazing!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Vlad is better than democrats.

 

[JimH52]

Trump’s Affinity for Putin Grows More Consequential Than Ever

In early 2017, American intelligence agencies delivered an unequivocal judgment about why President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had ordered a sprawling effort to sabotage the recent American presidential election.

Mr. Putin wanted to cripple the faith Americans have in their own elections, they found, and to undermine a United States-led “liberal world order” that the Russians see as a threat to their security. As a way to achieve this goal, the assessment found, Russia worked to help Donald J. Trump win the election.

Eight years later, Mr. Trump sat in the Oval Office for a blustery meeting with President Voldymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and rendered, once again, his own judgment on that period. There was no Russian sabotage, just a “phony witch hunt” of which both he and Mr. Putin were victims.

“Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” he said.

The statement was a tell. The president sees common cause with Mr. Putin, a merging of interests forged through battles against those he believes are his and Mr. Putin’s mutual adversaries — including Democratic lawmakers, European leaders and a spectral “deep state” inside the U.S. government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/...putin-grows-more-consequential-than-ever.html

Putin could not have chosen a more willing partner than trump to achieve his goal of undermining faith in our elections. Don started saying the 2016 election was rigged months before any votes were cast. Even after he won he claimed, without evidence, millions of votes for Hillary were fraudulent.

Trump also seems hellbent to see the US recede as the leader of the free world by taking a more isolationist approach to foreign policy.

In these ways he sees himself as being aligned with Putin, because he is. As evidenced by the shocking events at the 2018 Helsinki conference and his parroting of Russian talking points during the recent, now infamous, Oval Office meeting with Zelenskyy.

It's weird to have the POTUS find common ground with, and affection for, a murderous dictator, right? It will never be normal, but it's the new reality.

trump is Poootin's b*tch. The End

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

trump is Poootin's b*tch. The End

Hillary got beat by an amateur. Again.
It had to be Putin!
DURR