In history books, what is the tell tale sign when you go Socialist/Communist?

[gipper]

He said,
"Name one piece of progressive legislation, let alone communist, passed by Congress in the last 50 years. Just one."

I delivered. Please follow along.

The problem is your wrong. ACA is a right wing plan.

 

[Smokin' OP]

He said,
"Name one piece of progressive legislation, let alone communist, passed by Congress in the last 50 years. Just one."

I delivered. Please follow along.

You did.

 

[imawhosure]

Seriously, the ACA? Terrible legislation, but we have bigger problems, and who would have thought that a few years ago. This is a total fiasco today, and before we worry about the ACA, we need worry about all of this.

 

[surada]

Then you tell me where I am wrong Gipper. Maybe you are correct and it is a mix of Socialism and Fascism. But one thing is for sure, it is about Washington controlling everything, and no matter how you look at it, the same thing happened in Cuba the exact same way, with the same excuses along with wait till next year.

Call it anything you want, but these regimes who did this started out the exact, same, way!

Cuba happened because there was no middle class and the US sugar beet lobby drove them into the arms of the Soviets.

 

[badger2]

The first thing you need is a depressed economy and people desperate for a unifying leader. This usually occurs after an economic depression.

Hardt and Negri are saying basically the same thing in this following excerpt. What one may wish to do with the leader scenario above is to attach the concept of public spending to it, so that they can get a better snapshot of what is occurring in the capitol of Wisconsin. To attempt to decipher the signs, to elucidate in which way society, American society in this case, is evolving. We think that the coming of the virus can be inserted where H&N use the term "conflict."

Importantly, please understand that these two authors are communist. They are convinced that socialism is impossible and explain why in their book. The "unifying leader" above, links to "charismatic" below:

'Where the principle of bureaucratic-rational legitimation has insufficient foundation and is incapable of being applied to a conflict that is so widespread and profound, recourse is made to charismatic legitimacy and the political pressure and participatory mystifications of social-democratic coalitions until the level of inputs of demand for public spending has been enveloped. There are enormous stakes around these issues.

Even though communist theorists do not lead us to the determination of the solidity of the problem, we are forced to confront it by the practices of the two classes in struggle: the proletarian insistence on this terrain and the capitalist attempt to anticipate it with repression. At this point, "public spending" becomes a central element of the debate.'
(Hardt and Negri, Labor of Dionysus: A Critique of the State Form, p. 183)

We knew there was something fishy accompanying the announcement that $6 million was being designated for a "public spending" project to upgrade a small, high-traffic piece of property on the campus of the University of Wisconsin. There are defiitely pathologies that coalesce at this location:

1. One end of a major commercial street that was destroyed during the blm riots.

2. Religious installations traditionally placed here to straddle the space (literally, the Jeffersonian space) between Church and State.

3. The major University library, thus the long-used term, "Library Mall."

What was suspicious was that this space was already remodeled not that long ago. What was suspicious was this image in direct contradiction to the image of vacant storefronts where the owners obviously had moved away from the violence, taking their business elsewhere, if they still had a business.

These are convincing signs that it is here that one can get a snapshot of the forthcoming "post-covid" pathologies. If marxists are lurking nearby, H&N may help us to spot them:

H&N continue:
'To discuss public spending it is perhaps necessary, more than in any other field, to situate oneself clearly on the Marxian terrain of the analysis of the process of the circulation of capital, as a sphere of the production and reproduction (and innovation) not only of commodities but also social relations, and thus on the terrain of the tendential emergence of revolutionary antagonisms and subjectivity.

This becomes difficult when, as happens in the case of the authors most firmly linked to the class point of view, the neoclassical and Keynesian mystification of the mercantile system continues to dominate the horizon.
....
The working-class struggle puts the functioning of the law of value in definitive crisis, not only in the sense that its practices determine and reinforce the functioning of the law of the tendential fall of the rate of profit, but in an even more profound sense of destabilizing the very terms on which the law holds, in other words, taking away the meaning of the relation between necessary labor and surplus labor (which, as Marx says, is in the final instance the foundation of everything). At this very moment, socialism becomes impossible.'

So Library Mall, where academic labor struggles for class difference in a supposed democracy, where one can learn to read the capitalist landscape much as one can learn to read graffiti.

 

[Dragonlady]

For anyone who is ever attended school, what was that sign? Prices rising, and shortages! What is happening here now? Give you 3 guesses, and the 1st 2 do not count.

Prices are spiraling out of control, they can't get many people to actually work, you no longer can get goods you once did any where near as easily, all the while they try to convince you this is all temporary. Does it sound familiar to ANY of you who studied history?

Look at Cuba and what happened there. Look at each and every South American country that went Socialist, and see how it started there along with what their governments said at the start. History teaches all things, period! It is also where the old saying comes from about attempting the same thing over, and over, while expecting a different outcome.

For all of us, are we fools? Are there really more of these SOCIALISTS than we Americans?

Watch what is going on, what these Leftists are saying as they tell you that you expect to much for Christmas, lol; then look up history as best you can, and see if you want to go down THEIR road.

I urge you to ask yourself a few questions, while remembering, the country for the most part, has not been locked down in months:

1. How is it gasoline, and almost every form of energy has risen dramatically over 9 months?

2. How has meat risen dramatically? Do cows, chickens, and pigs get COVID? (if they do, let us know)

3. During the COVID lockdown, we seen shortages, then it broke loose. Now no lockdown, but shortages return. Forget the why! Look more into the policies that cause the why!

4. You are MANDATED (so far) to be vaxxed because you might do what? Then why are not the illegals being plopped down in your state allowed to be unvaxxed? You are the owners of the country, but you are 2nd class citizens to non citizens. Doesn't that make you at least question government policy?

How long will it be, before you actually say you have had enough? This has absolutely nothing to do with DJT, it has EVERYTHING to do with those controlling our government today, known as Leftists. Listen to Bernie. Listen to AOC; in fact listen to most Leftists since they are all in lockstep. They know EXACTLY what they are doing and think all of you are stupid, and won't figure it out before it is to late.

While many of them are to young to yet request it, your children and grandchildren are relying on you to somehow fix this. And if you want to know if you actually should try, just go back to history; history that teaches all things, and see how governments who have tried this path faired as far as for the comfort/safety of their people. It should scare you down to your soul! YOU, are being undermined from within, period, end of story. And this is being done by a bunch of people running on theoretics. When did Bernie ever work in the private sector? Aoc was a bartender? So we are now going to take advice on our kids and grandkids lives from a mixologist? How many of you would EVER do that in the real world, especially intelligent women?

Forget DJT! Just understand that DJT; the incompetent boob, got you a vaccine in 8 months, when it should have taken 5 years. Then look at the other side of the ledger. 9 months AFTER the Leftists took control of everything in government, you now have high prices, nobody wants to work, and you are being told to basically scrub Christmas..........and if you don't, you are to used to having access to goods.

If that doesn't sound like you are being primed to accept the Leftist version of Socialism, then you are dumb as a box of rocks!

THE LAST NATION WAS CUBA. THE GOVERNMENT WAS CORRUPT AND LETTING CRIMINALS RUN THE COUNTRY. LIKE DONALD TRUMP HIRING ALL OF THOSE CROOKS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

THEY TOOK AWAY RIGHTS, LIKE THE USA JUST TOOK AWAY THE RIGHT TO ABORTION.

THE ELECTIONS BECOME MEANINGLESS. EVEN WHEN HELD, THEY POWER PARTY SAID THEY WON AND STAYED IN POWER. LIKE TRUMP WITH HIS JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTION.

 

[Dragonlady]

Cuba happened because there was no middle class and the US sugar beet lobby drove them into the arms of the Soviets.

Cuba also happened because Battista let in the Mafia to run the casinos and tourist traps, leading to high crime, drugs, etc. Kind of like the Trump Administration hiring all of those criminals to run the country to their own benefit.

 

[gipper]

Cuba also happened because Battista let in the Mafia to run the casinos and tourist traps, leading to high crime, drugs, etc. Kind of like the Trump Administration hiring all of those criminals to run the country to their own benefit.

And Joe’s no different.

 

[surada]

Cuba also happened because Battista let in the Mafia to run the casinos and tourist traps, leading to high crime, drugs, etc. Kind of like the Trump Administration hiring all of those criminals to run the country to their own benefit.

Very true. Cuba was a playground for gangsters.

 

[Dragonlady]

And Joe’s no different.

This is just a ridiculous lie and one that the Republican Party is in no position to claim. It's not Democrats who keep getting arrested, tried, convicted and pardoned by Republican Presidents. More than 130 members of Republicans administrations have been arrested, tried and convicted since Watergate.

The Bidens have been investigated up the ying yang throughout the nearly 50 years that Joe Biden has in office, and until the Trump Campaign started throwing mud at the Bidens attacking the Biden children, and making false allegations of corruptions and pedophilia, there was NO ONE in Washington suggesting that Joe Biden was dishonest or corrupt.

25+ investigations of Hillary and Bill Clinton found a lie about a blow job, for which Clinton was both impeached and disbarred. Nothing more.

The First Investigation of Donald Trump lead to 9 of his advisors, staffers and employees being found guilty of crimes against the American people, and the President was named as an unindicted co-conspirator (Person One), in the Michael Cohen trial. More than 120 charges in total, and a roadmap to prosecute the President for 5 counts of obstruction of justice.

The Second Investigation of Donald Trump lead to his impeachment for trying to extort the President of the Ukraine into falsely announcing an investigation of Joe Biden on corruption charges. President Trump was also trying to bully the Ukraine into "settling" with Putin. He told Zelensky in their press conference that he could set up a meeting with Putin for him, and get it done.

The Third Investigation of Donald Trump has lead to the largest investigation in FBI History into the Insurrection at the Capitol, which should lead to the indictment of Donald Trump and everyone involved in the plot to overthrow the government. If Donald Trump isn't arrested, tried, and jailed if convicted, the rule of law is dead in the USA.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Very true. Cuba was a playground for gangsters.

Much like the Trump regime.

 

[gipper]

This is just a ridiculous lie and one that the Republican Party is in no position to claim. It's not Democrats who keep getting arrested, tried, convicted and pardoned by Republican Presidents. More than 130 members of Republicans administrations have been arrested, tried and convicted since Watergate.

The Bidens have been investigated up the ying yang throughout the nearly 50 years that Joe Biden has in office, and until the Trump Campaign started throwing mud at the Bidens attacking the Biden children, and making false allegations of corruptions and pedophilia, there was NO ONE in Washington suggesting that Joe Biden was dishonest or corrupt.

25+ investigations of Hillary and Bill Clinton found a lie about a blow job, for which Clinton was both impeached and disbarred. Nothing more.

The First Investigation of Donald Trump lead to 9 of his advisors, staffers and employees being found guilty of crimes against the American people, and the President was named as an unindicted co-conspirator (Person One), in the Michael Cohen trial. More than 120 charges in total, and a roadmap to prosecute the President for 5 counts of obstruction of justice.

The Second Investigation of Donald Trump lead to his impeachment for trying to extort the President of the Ukraine into falsely announcing an investigation of Joe Biden on corruption charges. President Trump was also trying to bully the Ukraine into "settling" with Putin. He told Zelensky in their press conference that he could set up a meeting with Putin for him, and get it done.

The Third Investigation of Donald Trump has lead to the largest investigation in FBI History into the Insurrection at the Capitol, which should lead to the indictment of Donald Trump and everyone involved in the plot to overthrow the government. If Donald Trump isn't arrested, tried, and jailed if convicted, the rule of law is dead in the USA.

To think Ds aren’t just as corrupt as Rs, is to not think.

 

[gipper]

Much like the Trump regime.

And the Biden, Obama, and Clinton regimes.

 

[surada]

To think Ds aren’t just as corrupt as Rs, is to not think.

I don't think all Republicans are gangsters, just the Trumpies. They desperately want to believe Trump is not what he appears to be or says he is. They usually give Trump a pass saying he was making a joke.

 

[Smokin' OP]

To think Ds aren’t just as corrupt as Rs, is to not think.

Really?

Just because republicans are corrupt, they think EVERYONE is.

Obama (D) – 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences

Bush, George W. (R) – 8 yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.

Clinton (D) – 8 yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. One conviction. One prison sentence.

Bush, George H. W. (R) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment. One conviction. One prison sentence.

Reagan (R) – 8 yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.

Carter (D) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment. Zero convictions and zero prison sentences.

Ford (R) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment and one conviction. One prison sentence.

Nixon (R) – 6 yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.

Johnson (D) – 5 yrs in office. Zero indictments. Zero convictions. Zero prison sentences.

In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of (a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal
convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down.

In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence.

That's even before the orange grifter was installed.

 

[gipper]

I don't think all Republicans are gangsters, just the Trumpies. They desperately want to believe Trump is not what he appears to be or says he is. They usually give Trump a pass saying he was making a joke.

So, a Trump supporter is a gangster. WTF?

Really?

Just because republicans are corrupt, they think EVERYONE is.

Obama (D) – 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences

Bush, George W. (R) – 8 yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.

Clinton (D) – 8 yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. One conviction. One prison sentence.

Bush, George H. W. (R) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment. One conviction. One prison sentence.

Reagan (R) – 8 yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.

Carter (D) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment. Zero convictions and zero prison sentences.

Ford (R) – 4 yrs in office. One indictment and one conviction. One prison sentence.

Nixon (R) – 6 yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.

Johnson (D) – 5 yrs in office. Zero indictments. Zero convictions. Zero prison sentences.

In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of (a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal
convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down.

In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence.

That's even before the orange grifter was installed.

You do know the establishment dislikes Rs and likes Ds. Right? There is bias involved.

Of course the Rs are crooks just like Ds. It’s not likely an R gets away with all the shit Bubba, Ears, Cankles, and senile Joe have gotten away with.

 

[surada]

So, a Trump supporter is a gangster. WTF?

You do know the establishment dislikes Rs and likes Ds. Right? There is bias involved.

Of course the Rs are crooks just like Ds. It’s not likely an R gets away with all the shit Bubba, Ears, Cankles, and senile Joe have gotten away with.

It's the way they look at the world. They think everyone is a liar and a cheat.

 

[Orangecat]

Communism is not a threat to the US.. You should go back to school.

Why, because that's where you were brainwashed into believing such stupidity?

 

[surada]

Why, because that's where you were brainwashed into believing such stupidity?
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Neither communism nor socialism are a threat to the US.

 

[Orangecat]

Neither communism nor socialism are a threat to the US.

Your opinion is noted and summarily dismissed.