In Britain, man afraid of retaliation can't use gun to stay safe...all he did was defend himself....

[2aguy]

It's not their color, it's their culture. Learn the difference. White people, who live in similar places are the same. Violent. They resort to violence far faster than first world peoples. It's not the race, it's the culture. Pure and simple.

Except that people who live in poverty in other western countries aren't killing each other at the rate we do...

Mostly because they don't have a gun industry flooding the streets with guns.

Yeah...they are.....

 

[2aguy]

So explain why Switzerland isn't a violent crime war zone despite all their guns.

Because their guns are actually regulated.

They don't let crazy people own them.

Living with guns the Swiss way

Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, but little gun-related street crime - so some opponents of gun control hail it as a place where firearms play a positive role in society. However, Swiss gun culture is unique, and guns are more tightly regulated than many assume.

In 2006, the champion Swiss skier Corrinne Rey-Bellet and her brother were murdered by Corinne's estranged husband, who shot them with his old militia rifle before killing himself.

Since that incident, gun laws concerning army weapons have tightened. Although it is still possible for a former soldier to buy his firearm after he finishes military service, he must provide a justification for keeping the weapon and apply for a permit.

When I meet Mathias, a PhD student and serving officer, at his apartment in a snowy suburb of Zurich, I realise the rules have got stricter than I imagined. Mathias keeps his army pistol in the guest room of his home, in a desk drawer hidden under the printer paper. It is a condition of the interview that I don't give his surname or hint at his address.

Oh boy, another nonanswer!

Let's try it another way:

Where are guns more tightly regulated: Britain or Switzerland? And which of the two has the higher violent crime (or if you want, homicide) rate?

Norway has more guns, and less violent crime and murder than Britain......

 

[2aguy]

So explain why Switzerland isn't a violent crime war zone despite all their guns.

Because their guns are actually regulated.

They don't let crazy people own them.

Living with guns the Swiss way

Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, but little gun-related street crime - so some opponents of gun control hail it as a place where firearms play a positive role in society. However, Swiss gun culture is unique, and guns are more tightly regulated than many assume.

In 2006, the champion Swiss skier Corrinne Rey-Bellet and her brother were murdered by Corinne's estranged husband, who shot them with his old militia rifle before killing himself.

Since that incident, gun laws concerning army weapons have tightened. Although it is still possible for a former soldier to buy his firearm after he finishes military service, he must provide a justification for keeping the weapon and apply for a permit.

When I meet Mathias, a PhD student and serving officer, at his apartment in a snowy suburb of Zurich, I realise the rules have got stricter than I imagined. Mathias keeps his army pistol in the guest room of his home, in a desk drawer hidden under the printer paper. It is a condition of the interview that I don't give his surname or hint at his address.

I always find it funny when you morons talk about people having a permit from the government as if that keeps the owner from taking that gun to a school and murdering children......

They have fully automatic military weapons in their homes...and a very low gun crime rate....it isn't the guns you doofus, it is the culture......nothing keeps one of them from taking that military weapon into a public place and shooting people.....their culture and values do....

 

[JoeB131]

Oh boy, another nonanswer!

Let's try it another way:

Where are guns more tightly regulated: Britain or Switzerland? And which of the two has the higher violent crime (or if you want, homicide) rate?

Switzerland is largely rural and has a pretty small population.

Point is, they aren't the gun nuttery that we have in the US. You don't get a gun unless they know you can trust you with it... and they STILL have the occassional mass shooting.

The UK Hasn't had a mass shooting since the 1990's.

 

[bgrouse]

Oh boy, another nonanswer!

Let's try it another way:

Where are guns more tightly regulated: Britain or Switzerland? And which of the two has the higher violent crime (or if you want, homicide) rate?

Switzerland is largely rural and has a pretty small population.

That's why I asked for the violent crime/homicide rate, idiot! That controls for population!

Point is, they aren't the gun nuttery that we have in the US. You don't get a gun unless they know you can trust you with it... and they STILL have the occassional mass shooting.

The UK Hasn't had a mass shooting since the 1990's.

Typical liberal dumbass who doesn't want to look at non-gun-related violent crime (or even homicide). No wait, you don't even want to look at all shootings, just mass shootings, a small percentage of even gun homicides!

No point in talking to a brainwashed moron like you except to make you look even dumber when you don't even want to try and take the liberal horse blinders off.

Think about it, retard:

• Blacks commit more than 50% of the homicides in the USA despite being a mere 13% of the population!
• One of the most dangerous cities in the USA is Camden, which is in New Jersey, one of the worst states for gun owners with the strictest gun laws in the entire country! Camden has a very large black and hispanic population compared to the rest of the country.
• The USA has relatively many blacks compared to many (all?) parts of Europe. The UK has far more blacks the Switzerland. Negro rate: USA > UK > SUI. The homicide rate is USA > UK > SUI. The gun ownership rate USA > SUI > UK.
• Black-run and black-populated countries pretty much anywhere in the world are mismanaged shitholes more or less without exception. Do you want me to get into the history of Detroit?

I can't wait for your next retarded reply!

 

[2aguy]

Oh boy, another nonanswer!

Let's try it another way:

Where are guns more tightly regulated: Britain or Switzerland? And which of the two has the higher violent crime (or if you want, homicide) rate?

Switzerland is largely rural and has a pretty small population.

Point is, they aren't the gun nuttery that we have in the US. You don't get a gun unless they know you can trust you with it... and they STILL have the occassional mass shooting.

The UK Hasn't had a mass shooting since the 1990's.

They had one a decade before they banned and confiscated guns, and they have had one a decade since..in fact, they almost had 3 this decade which is an increase...you doofus....


Dumb luck has stopped the 3 latest mass shootings in Britain, not their gun control laws...and the last story in this list....which British gun control law stopped the man with the gun from murdering the children in the nursery?

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the updat, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?


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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'


15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.

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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.

 

[fncceo]

Section 3(1) of the UK Criminal Law Act 1967 provides that:

"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

That includes, deadly force from a firearm.

 

[westwall]

Oh boy, another nonanswer!

Let's try it another way:

Where are guns more tightly regulated: Britain or Switzerland? And which of the two has the higher violent crime (or if you want, homicide) rate?

Switzerland is largely rural and has a pretty small population.

Point is, they aren't the gun nuttery that we have in the US. You don't get a gun unless they know you can trust you with it... and they STILL have the occassional mass shooting.

The UK Hasn't had a mass shooting since the 1990's.

Switzerland, at least where the majority of the people live is urban. Get a clue.

 

[bgrouse]

Oh boy, another nonanswer!

Let's try it another way:

Where are guns more tightly regulated: Britain or Switzerland? And which of the two has the higher violent crime (or if you want, homicide) rate?

Switzerland is largely rural and has a pretty small population.

Point is, they aren't the gun nuttery that we have in the US. You don't get a gun unless they know you can trust you with it... and they STILL have the occassional mass shooting.

The UK Hasn't had a mass shooting since the 1990's.

Switzerland, at least where the majority of the people live is urban. Get a clue.

He can't. He's got a mental illness. It's called liberalism.

 

[JoeB131]

Think about it, retard:

• Blacks commit more than 50% of the homicides in the USA despite being a mere 13% of the population!

sigh... we're back to the racism again. We always come back to the racism with you guys...

You guys will blame anything for shootings- blacks, mental illness, video games - that gets guns off the hook.

because once we did something like Germany or Switzerland, and put standards on who can own a gun, most of you gun nutters would probably be eliminated.

 

[2aguy]

Think about it, retard:

• Blacks commit more than 50% of the homicides in the USA despite being a mere 13% of the population!

sigh... we're back to the racism again. We always come back to the racism with you guys...

You guys will blame anything for shootings- blacks, mental illness, video games - that gets guns off the hook.

because once we did something like Germany or Switzerland, and put standards on who can own a gun, most of you gun nutters would probably be eliminated.

Yes...we saw what happened when Germany confiscated guns......they went on to murder 12 million people...

No thanks.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes...we saw what happened when Germany confiscated guns......they went on to murder 12 million people...

Except Germany didn't confiscate guns. The Nazis rolled back the gun laws, and Germans were happy to use them on the Jews...

 

[bgrouse]

Think about it, retard:

• Blacks commit more than 50% of the homicides in the USA despite being a mere 13% of the population!

sigh... we're back to the racism again. We always come back to the racism with you guys...

You guys will blame anything for shootings-

I blame the cause, which also correlates (obviously). You blame something that doesn't even correlate, you fucking idiot!

blacks, mental illness, video games - that gets guns off the hook.

because once we did something like Germany or Switzerland, and put standards on who can own a gun, most of you gun nutters would probably be eliminated.

Oh great, the moron ignored most of the post, as usual! Can't read anything contradicting his mental illness/religion!

 

[2aguy]

Yes...we saw what happened when Germany confiscated guns......they went on to murder 12 million people...

Except Germany didn't confiscate guns. The Nazis rolled back the gun laws, and Germans were happy to use them on the Jews...

And you don't know what you are talking about..



When the Nazis Came for the Guns



By the time the Nazi Party launched a concerted nationwide attack upon the Jews, there was nothing the Jews could do. The time for defending themselves had long since passed.

Helga's father certainly couldn't fight back. A year before, they had come for his guns. Since he had been a German officer in the Kaiser's army in the Great War, the Nazis assumed, erroneously, it turned out, that he had at least kept his sidearm. They relented on his traditional officer's sword, reasoning that it was no match for bullets anyway.

The Nazis had in their possession a national registry of gun-owners. When they came to power in 1933, they knew exactly who had what kind of gun and how many. And they didn't even have to compile the registry themselves. A few years earlier, the Interior Minister of the German Weimar government had started the gun ownership registry as a way of keeping tabs on extremist groups in Germany, such as the communists...and the Nazis. The national registry was thorough, precise, and extensive. But not public. The Weimar interior minister was wary of it falling into the wrong hands, like those of the Nazi extremists he warned of.

Shortly afterward, with the Nazis finally coming to power, he and his staff either neglected to destroy the list or ran out of time. So in one of their first acts after Hitler was elected to govern Germany – yes, he really was elected by the German people – the Nazis quickly went about confiscating the guns through the German gun-owner registry.

The gun confiscation was highly selective. The Nazis allowed their loyal minions to keep their guns and even encouraged them to get more. Those Germans deemed suspect, or declared enemies of the state, had their guns confiscated. After the Nazis disarmed the rival communists, they targeted the Jews. Within a year they had visited the homes and shops of every Jewish gun owner in Germany and taken away their guns.

The Nazis were nervous about any of their real or imagined domestic enemies shooting back at them. They were especially nervous about the Jews, paranoid to the point where even after they confiscated the guns of all the registered Jewish gun-owners, they still went after the Jewish war veterans. This is why they ended up at Helga's home in Wesel in 1937.

Thus, when the Kristallnacht rampage happened a year later, the Jews didn't shoot a single bullet in self-defense because they didn't have any guns to shoot with. The Nazis had made sure of it.

Of the 30,000 defenseless Jewish men rounded up that night, only a few survived to the end of the war. How many would have lived had they been armed when the Nazis came for them? We can never know. Yet we can a least surmise that it would have been more than a few, probably many more.

The Nazi security forces certainly had an endless supply of firearms and the power of the state behind them. But picture an armed German Jewish resistance network in 1938. Word gets around that the Nazis are coming for the Jews. They load their guns and concoct a last ditch-effort to fend them off, allowing more Jews to escape through an Underground Jewish Railroad type of network. They shoot a lot of Nazis in the process and buy enough time for the rest to make it the borders of those still at peace neighboring countries.

 

[JoeB131]

I blame the cause, which also correlates (obviously). You blame something that doesn't even correlate, you fucking idiot!

Okay, the cause is people in this country have easy access to guns, despite their mental state, suitability or even training to own one. This happens because the gun industry writes the gun laws, and they want people to be scared shitless so they want guns, too.

Oh great, the moron ignored most of the post, as usual! Can't read anything contradicting his mental illness/religion!

No, I just get bored with racist gun nuts trying to excuse their fetish.

No other advanced country lets people have the easy access to guns that ours allows.

No other advanced country has the level of slaughter we have, so bad it really takes a mass shooting to even get us to talk about it.

This isn't fucking complicated.

 

[JoeB131]

And you don't know what you are talking about..

Yeah, guy, I kind of do.

Thus, when the Kristallnacht rampage happened a year later, the Jews didn't shoot a single bullet in self-defense because they didn't have any guns to shoot with. The Nazis had made sure of it.

You see, the thing was, NON-Jews had guns in Germany. And guess what, they didn't rush out with their guns and save the Jews. They sat safely in their homes and did... nothing. A few probably offered to help. Hey, someone told them that Ann Frank was in the attic.

And if some Juden had fired at the SS, they'd have cheered when the SS came back with a lot more men.

The ironic thing about Kristallnacht was that a lot of Germans thought it went too far because the Jews couldn't fight back. If they had shot a few SS officer, Geobbels, who was notorious for his "Criminal Jew Reports", would have had a field day with it.

 

[2aguy]

And you don't know what you are talking about..

Yeah, guy, I kind of do.

Thus, when the Kristallnacht rampage happened a year later, the Jews didn't shoot a single bullet in self-defense because they didn't have any guns to shoot with. The Nazis had made sure of it.

You see, the thing was, NON-Jews had guns in Germany. And guess what, they didn't rush out with their guns and save the Jews. They sat safely in their homes and did... nothing. A few probably offered to help. Hey, someone told them that Ann Frank was in the attic.

And if some Juden had fired at the SS, they'd have cheered when the SS came back with a lot more men.

The ironic thing about Kristallnacht was that a lot of Germans thought it went too far because the Jews couldn't fight back. If they had shot a few SS officer, Geobbels, who was notorious for his "Criminal Jew Reports", would have had a field day with it.

No....nazi party members had guns.....and the brown shirts beat the crap out of anyone who stood up.....

There would have been no Kristallnacht without an unarmed population....

 

[bgrouse]

I blame the cause, which also correlates (obviously). You blame something that doesn't even correlate, you fucking idiot!

Okay, the cause is people in this country have easy access to guns,

Sorry, but there isn't even such correlation, never mind causation. I showed you with Switzerland, Camden, etc...

despite their mental state, suitability or even training to own one. This happens because the gun industry writes the gun laws, and they want people to be scared shitless so they want guns, too.

Oh great, the moron ignored most of the post, as usual! Can't read anything contradicting his mental illness/religion!

No, I just get bored with racist gun nuts trying to excuse their fetish.

No other advanced country lets people have the easy access to guns that ours allows.

No other advanced country has the level of slaughter we have, so bad it really takes a mass shooting to even get us to talk about it.

This isn't fucking complicated.

No, it isn't, but that isn't stopping you from getting it wrong, does it?

I already told you: your gun access argument just doesn't hold water. It doesn't even correlate. Some of the most dangerous parts of the USA also have some of the toughest gun laws. The gun access/violence correlation in Europe, such as with countries like SUI and UK, simply doesn't exist. What does exist in all of those cases is the correlation between negroes and violence.

 

[JoeB131]

No....nazi party members had guns.....and the brown shirts beat the crap out of anyone who stood up.....

There would have been no Kristallnacht without an unarmed population....

Uh, there was a Kristallnacht because most Germans really, really, really hated the Jews. I think the problem you have is that you think that there was no anti-Semitism in Germany before Hitler. (It's kind of like saying there was no racism in America before Trump).

all it needed was a trigger and a government unwilling to do anything about it.

Germans had plenty of guns. They just didn't use them, or if they did, they used them on the Jews. The Jews had some guns, but they knew this whole thing started because some Jewish kid shot a German diplomat in Paris.

 

[JoeB131]

I already told you: your gun access argument just doesn't hold water. It doesn't even correlate. Some of the most dangerous parts of the USA also have some of the toughest gun laws.

The toughest gun law in the US is like the tallest midget.

a tough gun law would be a national one, not one you can get around by crossing from Chicago into Cicero and buying all the guns you want.

What does exist in all of those cases is the correlation between negroes and violence.

Yup, Racism again...

Um, all the mass shooters are white kids of privilege... but you keep going on about the scary negroes.