Agnost: For a "contrairian" , you are pretty conformist. You want to debate statistics? You have the same facts I do, it's matter of how you read them. This a matter of philosophy. And a little experience on the issue doesn't hurt, either. This board gives us a forum to express our opinion. You know what they say about opinions and assholes? For me, this debate segues into an example of mass delusion. The American public is being fooled . Otherwise intelligent people are deluding themselves , regardless of the facts. It seems that if you folks don't like the facts, then you set about redefining them to fit your ideals. Illegal aliens are not really illegal, and they aren't aliens, either. No, they become"immigrants". Of course, in the loosest sense of the word, they ARE immigrants. And for some of you, that ends this debate. Well, except that oversimplification leaves out the main point of contention: the basic dishonesty and misrepresentation that this set of "immigrants" operate under is what sets illegal aliens apart from legitimate "Immigrants". For instance, I could follow that same logic to the word "visitor". If I was to walk into your home, without your knowledge , permission or mutual respect any human being wants, still I could say, I am a "visitor". Sounds innocuous enough. That's the point, isn't it? It's the way this set of immigrants choose to "immigrate" that is suspect. When these persons WON"T openly ask permission, use stealth and ambiguity to disguise their motives, that challenges the definition. You folks hide behind euphemisms. It's a con job and some of you folks are too eager to show how compassionate you are, you are loosing your skepticism and rationality for the sake of popular consensus. You people know the difference between a "visitor" and a "trespasser", use that same standard of logic when it comes to the difference between "immigrant" and "illegal alien". I know, that's asking a lot. In the popular vernacular: Stop drinking the koolaid.
