Can you substantiate this assertion with any facts?
I ask because suggesting that "Americans (especially whites) lose jobs due to affirmative action" flies in the face of
Ricci v. DeStefano
Washington v. Davis
City of Richmond v. J.A. Croson Co
Gratz v. Bollinger
Regents of the University of California v. Bakke
...and many other cases.
Do you know what affirmative action is?
"In the United States, affirmative action refers to equal opportunity employment measures that Federal contractors and subcontractors are legally required to adopt. These measures are intended to
prevent discrimination against employees or applicants for employment on the basis of 'color, religion, sex, or national origin'."
Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1. You think that this statement of fact (which you laughably call an "assertion") could somehow need to be substantiated ? Are you trying to claim that Americans do NOT lose jobs ? (especially Whites due to affirmative action) If so, let's hear YOUR substantiation, if you think you have that.
Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice versa.
You made an assertion. You are responsible for proving your own assertions.
What's more, it's a fallacy to ask me to prove the negative.
If one person says: "New York City was founded by Martians!"
and another person says in response: "I'll need you to prove that assertion"
If the first person turns to the second and says "That Martians founded New York City is a statement of fact and you must disprove it!"
Well, then that first person may have started out crazy but they ended up very illogical.
Argumentum ad populum (appeal to widespread belief, bandwagon argument, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people) – where a proposition is claimed to be true or good solely because many people believe it to be so
Uhm, geology and physics are in fact needed and explain that phenomenon quite aptly.
No, I cannot agree with you that we no longer need geology...and physics.
Appeal to fear – a specific type of appeal to emotion where an argument is made by increasing fear and prejudice towards the opposing side
Again, can you substantiate this with anything? Is this just what you have been told by some angry guy you met one time?
Look, if you have any evidence of racial discrimination of any sort in the hiring process of any employer, then you have an obligation as a decent human being to contact the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
You missed the point of that case. New Haven was unlawful in its racial discrimination against white people in the workplace. Do you understand that? It is unlawful to discriminate against anyone including white people on the basis of race in the workplace.
That case demonstrates that white people are protected from racism too.
SCOTUS did not rule against affirmative action, or affirmative action wouldn't exist anywhere in the country. You do understand that, don't you?
SCOTUS upheld the constitutionality of a ban on any racial discrimination.
Appeal to spite – a specific type of appeal to emotion where an argument is made through exploiting people's bitterness or spite towards an opposing party.
SCOTUS has struck down racial quotas. SCOTUS has struck down invidious racial discrimination in the workplace and in schools and in housing and in public accommodation.
If affirmative action were "pure racial discrimination" then why does SCOTUS not strike down affirmative action? How can AA persist if it is what you say it is?
That claim makes no sense. That's like arguing that de jure racial segregation still exists in public schools even though SCOTUS struck down de jure racial segregation. Are you suggesting that SCOTUS has no authority over the laws in this country?
Just apply for any govt job anywhere, and see if you don't get an AA questionairre.
You mean like this?
The federal government under Executive Order 11246 requires the company to report sex and race/ethnic origin of applicants for employment. Applicants are considered for all positions without regard to race, color, religion, gender, national origin, age, marital or veteran status, or the presence of a non-job related medical condition or disability. The information requested below is voluntary; failure to provide it will not jeopardize or adversely affect consideration of your employment. Your cooperation is appreciated. The information obtained will be kept confidential and may only be used in accordance with applicable laws. When data is reported, it will not identify any specific individual.
The discriminators continue to discriminate, and do so until they are challenged by court action, which isn't common. This might be because the potential challengers (job seekers and kids entering college) can't afford the legal expense.
That's called racism, and yes, racism happens all the time and we should not tolerate racism. What you just described happens all the time. When a black person gets denied a job because the hiring manager doesn't like black people is racism. When a white person is denied a job because the hiring manager doesn't like white people is called racism. When one suffers disparate treatment in the workplace due to ones race that is racism. Many cases of racism do go unreported.
There's plenty of racism still out there. It is unlawful to deny you a job on the basis of your race, but don't think that there isn't some racist out there who might want to try it. That's racism.
If anybody were to go in there and start troll talking, they'd have to be the biggest idiot on earth. I think we're all above that.
