Imagine you are the Army helicopter pilot

[Robert W]

Though it is very early to blame any pilot, let's see why I early on put the blame on the Helicopter pilot flying the fatal Army crash into the passenger jet at Reagan Airport. This is not official. I am as some say speculating. But in general due to studying many crash reports, I feel safe giving my opinion.
I want you to watch the Jet pilot take off at Las Vegas. Notice she tells the Controllers what her plans are. And she uses a chart to explain it to the Controller. Some think all a pilot has to do is obey the controller. But the Controller operates as part of a safe flying operation. Earlier charts were created that pilots must use. Those charts show pilots safe paths. And talking to the Controller, the pilot confirms the pilot will fly a safe path.

The Army helicopter that slammed into the passenger was on IFR. But the fatal move was telling the Controller she was wanting off the control by the flight controllers. She told them she was changing off of IFR onto Visual rules. This made her responsible for all of the ensuing flight. She put the responsibility on herself. This is primarily why I blamed her and not the passenger jet. It was on the proper path as related to the ATF controllers. They would keep a close eye on that pilot and not so much on the helicopter.

To non pilots this dialogue might confuse some of you. But watch the Jet in this case. Replay it if you don't get it. She talks to the Controller and stays with the Controller as she departs Las Vegas.

As a pilot, when you learn such things, you have an instructor flying with you. And you learn lessons from the instructor. It is harder on car drivers since they do not contact a car controller so they are still trying to learn what airplane pilots know.

 

[whitehall]

I wonder if those two babes were piloting the private jet that blundered into the landing strip in front of the Southwest plane.

 

[Robert W]

I wonder if those two babes were piloting the private jet that blundered into the landing strip in front of the Southwest plane.

No they are not the people you ask about. Southwest could have safely landed but the pilot took no chances and gained altitude to be safer.

 

[Robert W]

As you watch the pilot talking to her passenger who happens to also be a pilot, notice how busy she on the left is kept busy communicating with the flight controllers. When she gets to a point, she will communicate less than when close to the airports.

 

[Woodznutz]

As you watch the pilot talking to her passenger who happens to also be a pilot, notice how busy she on the left is kept busy communicating with the flight controllers. When she gets to a point, she will communicate less than when close to the airports.

A lot of communications between ATC and planes are unintelligible. A quick, garbled response is often taken as understanding or acknowledging a routine instruction.

 

[White 6]

Though it is very early to blame any pilot, let's see why I early on put the blame on the Helicopter pilot flying the fatal Army crash into the passenger jet at Reagan Airport. This is not official. I am as some say speculating. But in general due to studying many crash reports, I feel safe giving my opinion.
I want you to watch the Jet pilot take off at Las Vegas. Notice she tells the Controllers what her plans are. And she uses a chart to explain it to the Controller. Some think all a pilot has to do is obey the controller. But the Controller operates as part of a safe flying operation. Earlier charts were created that pilots must use. Those charts show pilots safe paths. And talking to the Controller, the pilot confirms the pilot will fly a safe path.

The Army helicopter that slammed into the passenger was on IFR. But the fatal move was telling the Controller she was wanting off the control by the flight controllers. She told them she was changing off of IFR onto Visual rules. This made her responsible for all of the ensuing flight. She put the responsibility on herself. This is primarily why I blamed her and not the passenger jet. It was on the proper path as related to the ATF controllers. They would keep a close eye on that pilot and not so much on the helicopter.

To non pilots this dialogue might confuse some of you. But watch the Jet in this case. Replay it if you don't get it. She talks to the Controller and stays with the Controller as she departs Las Vegas.

As a pilot, when you learn such things, you have an instructor flying with you. And you learn lessons from the instructor. It is harder on car drivers since they do not contact a car controller so they are still trying to learn what airplane pilots know.

"Imagine you are the Army helicopter pilot"
Nah. Even at my age, I don't imagine being dead, as it sounds real boring.
Yep. It is undoubtedly those two helicopter pilots ultimate fault. I am not too thrilled about the regulation of helicopter flight level regulation within that traffic pattern, either. But, that does not mean those pilots were not ultimately responsible for every one of those deaths.

 

[Robert W]

"Imagine you are the Army helicopter pilot"
Nah. Even at my age, I don't imagine being dead, as it sounds real boring.
Yep. It is undoubtedly those two helicopter pilots ultimate fault. I am not too thrilled about the regulation of helicopter flight level regulation within that traffic pattern, either. But, that does not mean those pilots were not ultimately responsible for every one of those deaths.

It would be super unusual to blame those two. She was the only pilot in command. She could have safely moved in that airspace had she not got over 100 feet high. The passenger jet had no choice but to be where it was.

 

[Robert W]

A lot of communications between ATC and planes are unintelligible. A quick, garbled response is often taken as understanding or acknowledging a routine instruction.

Even I as a pilot had times where the talking between the two women harmed for me the ATC words they seemed to understand.

 

[White 6]

It would be super unusual to blame those two. She was the only pilot in command. She could have safely moved in that airspace had she not got over 100 feet high. The passenger jet had no choice but to be where it was.

Co-pilot has the same gages, controls, internal/external communication capabilities and is just as dead. Should have been watching, and I think no better of the Co-Pilot as the Pilot. Oops, just doesn't get it, this time. No matter what NTSB says, I blame them both.

 

[Woodznutz]

Even I as a pilot had times where the talking between the two women harmed for me the ATC words they seemed to understand.

Pilots develop "radio ears" and don't need every word to be clear in order to understand or comply with instructions. When I was learning to fly, the tower guys spoke slower as they knew I was a student. Also, back then we didn't monitor all traffic around the airfield although I'm sure seasoned pilots in the area had their "ears on". In fact, when in the pattern doing touch and goes, we didn't radio each turn as students do now.

I did have some anxious moments on my first solo flight. First it began to rain, then the tower told me to extend my downwind and maintain my heading because of incoming traffic on final. By the time I was cleared to turn base and final I was twenty miles from the airport. My instructor and I had a good laugh about that.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Though it is very early to blame any pilot, let's see why I early on put the blame on the Helicopter pilot flying the fatal Army crash into the passenger jet at Reagan Airport. This is not official. I am as some say speculating. But in general due to studying many crash reports, I feel safe giving my opinion.
I want you to watch the Jet pilot take off at Las Vegas. Notice she tells the Controllers what her plans are. And she uses a chart to explain it to the Controller. Some think all a pilot has to do is obey the controller. But the Controller operates as part of a safe flying operation. Earlier charts were created that pilots must use. Those charts show pilots safe paths. And talking to the Controller, the pilot confirms the pilot will fly a safe path.

The Army helicopter that slammed into the passenger was on IFR. But the fatal move was telling the Controller she was wanting off the control by the flight controllers. She told them she was changing off of IFR onto Visual rules. This made her responsible for all of the ensuing flight. She put the responsibility on herself. This is primarily why I blamed her and not the passenger jet. It was on the proper path as related to the ATF controllers. They would keep a close eye on that pilot and not so much on the helicopter.

To non pilots this dialogue might confuse some of you. But watch the Jet in this case. Replay it if you don't get it. She talks to the Controller and stays with the Controller as she departs Las Vegas.

As a pilot, when you learn such things, you have an instructor flying with you. And you learn lessons from the instructor. It is harder on car drivers since they do not contact a car controller so they are still trying to learn what airplane pilots know.

I have a question. Do you know why when you're on a training flight in the military your instructor is not the pilot in command?

I don't know the answer, that's why I'm asking.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Co-pilot has the same gages, controls, internal/external communication capabilities and is just as dead. Should have been watching, and I think no better of the Co-Pilot as the Pilot. Oops, just doesn't get it, this time. No matter what NTSB says, I blame them both.

How can you blame them before the NTSB has determined if the altimeter was functioning properly?

 

[White 6]

I have a question. Do you know why when you're on a training flight in the military your instructor is not the pilot in command?

I don't know the answer, that's why I'm asking.

Here is the AI answer.

 

[Woodznutz]

How can you blame them before the NTSB has determined if the altimeter was functioning properly?

She should not have been flying IFR in that area.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

She should not have been flying IFR in that area.

It was not prohibited airspace however the question is why she was roughly 85 feet above the ceiling allowable for helicopters to fly in that area.

 

[Woodznutz]

It was not prohibited airspace however the question is why she was roughly 85 feet above the ceiling allowable for helicopters to fly in that area.

Or operating in the glide path/slope of a major commercial airport.