I'm voting for Obama, and I'll tell you why.

[logical4u]

I assume that people who have mortgages have jobs

Conservatives assume black people expect everything for free

Wonder who is right?

Work with "black people", and don't hear them making claims like this. Because a black person is filmed demonstrating their personal willingness to be enslaved (the gov't paying them to stay poor), you want to claim that "others" assume all black people are like this. Talk about bigoted..... If we see an individual making a claim, we do not assume that everyone that "looks like them" think or do the same thing. That is a liberal philosophy.....

 

[logical4u]

Actually, it implies she has a job in which she pays for gas and a mortgage. If she votes for Obama, Obama will make sure she still has a job

Other than her color, what makes you think she is on welfare?

"If I help him he will help me."
Enough said

If I vote for Obama, I will keep my job

Nuff said

Why didn't they say that? Are you implying they are not intelligent enough to say what they mean?

 

[logical4u]

No....I vote Democrat for a different reason. I'm pro-labor. Our working class has taken a beating since the lie of "trickle down" economics became the norm. 47% of the people in this country have to accept some sort of government assistance to make ends meet in this God awfully expensive country. The vast majority of these people are working their fingers to the bone....they aren't lazy, irresponsible or feel themselves "victims".....all so some "job creator" can pocket more and more.

I don't hate rich people, I don't hate business.....but I think that the Conglomerate has run this country into the ground long enough for their personal gain. Funny how when wages and employer paid benefits were high enough...paying for government programs wasn't a problem....but now....since private sector unions have been virtually eliminated, wages have virtually stagnated since the late 70's and the cost of living has skyrocketed in the same time span.....all of a sudden those programs are "wealth redistribution"

Face it....you've been lied to by the biggest marketing campaign in the history of our nation. The campaign to make rich people richer at the expense of the rest of our citizens and as a result, the country itself.

Now, do I want government to dictate wages? No, not really.....I want these huge corporations to treat their employees well and remember the country that gave them the Freedom to become the successes they are. No one wants them to be poor, no one wants them not to succeed. They just want to raise their families without struggling so damned much.

I agree with you. The working class has taken a beating.

They've taken that beating because government has been selling them this idea that by taxing the wealthy, everybody wins.

That worked until corporations realized they were being stolen from. And since they couldn't take it out on the government, the working class took punch.

And the democrats have been continuing to sell their "everybody needs to pay their fair share" propaganda, instilling in the minds of the middle class that the businesses and the wealthy are stealing from them. When in reality it's the other way around.

Higher wages and benefits mean more. More taxable income for government to pay for programs and pay down the debt, more money in people's pockets, which in turn means more sales which means more profits, more profits means more economic growth, which means more jobs...and the cycle repeats itself.

Personally, I'd like to see a deal struck somewhere. Someone has to flinch. Like government saying to business.....IF you bring good paying jobs back home, once we start seeing the economic results of those actions....THEN we'll cut the Corporate income tax 10%. That would bring corporate income taxes down to 25%. But it can't be a token gesture that really helps no one but the Corporation....it has to be real.

I don't think they'd take the offer though, because I don't think taxes are the issue....I think they use it as an excuse. I think it's the slave labor rates that motivate them.

You want to see someone flinch? STOP THE SPENDING IN WASHINGTON!!!!!!! You want more income to the gov't, lower taxes (it is proven to work). The democrats have become the party that wants to be RULERS, not servants or representatives. There is your choice: vote for "rulers" or vote for representatives (that have to be kept in line).

 

[logical4u]

You gotta admit that black females are the greatest parasites in American society. I understand that it is not politically correct, but is none-the-less true.

Actually it s black females who bear the brunt of raising black families. It is black males who are irresponsible

What a racist comment!

 

[logical4u]

Actually it s black females who bear the brunt of raising black families. It is black males who are irresponsible

Who's the racist one now?

Wow. That was pretty ignorant of you. Here you've been ranting for 5 pages on how we're racists by posting a video of a black woman, and now you call black males irresponsible.

I happen to know many black males who are very responsible and hard working.

I stand by my assertion based on 70 percent of black children being born to single mothers. It shows a sociological trend of black males not supporting their families

Now, what data do you have supporting the claim that this woman does not have a job and was expecting everything for free

The liberal policies at work, "the chickens are coming home to roost"....

 

[logical4u]

Didn't say that, did I? I said that being pro-union is being pro-labor...which is absolutely 100% true. So...once again....what in the hell are you talking about "rich minority of the working class"?

Well explain to me when someone say pro labor what are they talking about?
The rich minority class would be union members.
I have yet too see a poor union member being paid 30.00 to 70.00 bucks an hour on unions jobs would not make them poor labor would it?

Well....why don't you join a union, if it's so great? You see, when you belong to a union, you don't stand alone. You negotiate contracts with your employer...the employer says....I'll pay you $$.....the union says....we want $$$$$. They meet at $$$....which is usually a pretty livable wage.

I've been working for my employer for 23 years....I make about $21/hr. I also have a pension that will allow me to retire in 12 years....I'll be 60. I'll also have my medical paid for till I die.

Sorry dude, to me? That's worth the $15 I pay in union dues per paycheck. I spend more than that on Diet Mountain Dew in two weeks.

I am pro-labor.....no matter whether you are union or not. What you fail to realize is that when unions were.in their heyday....non-union workplaces benefited from the union ones....they didn't want the unions in, so they stayed competitive to keep them out. Nowadays....employers hold all the cards...they've been given the ability to instill fear and intimidate the workforce.

I still say a Nationwide strike should happen. Maybe then employers would realize that labor is the lifeblood of their wealth.

Do you live in Greece?

 

[Papageorgio]

Didn't say that, did I? I said that being pro-union is being pro-labor...which is absolutely 100% true. So...once again....what in the hell are you talking about "rich minority of the working class"?

Well explain to me when someone say pro labor what are they talking about?
The rich minority class would be union members.
I have yet too see a poor union member being paid 30.00 to 70.00 bucks an hour on unions jobs would not make them poor labor would it?

Well....why don't you join a union, if it's so great? You see, when you belong to a union, you don't stand alone. You negotiate contracts with your employer...the employer says....I'll pay you $$.....the union says....we want $$$$$. They meet at $$$....which is usually a pretty livable wage.

I've been working for my employer for 23 years....I make about $21/hr. I also have a pension that will allow me to retire in 12 years....I'll be 60. I'll also have my medical paid for till I die.

Sorry dude, to me? That's worth the $15 I pay in union dues per paycheck. I spend more than that on Diet Mountain Dew in two weeks.

I am pro-labor.....no matter whether you are union or not. What you fail to realize is that when unions were.in their heyday....non-union workplaces benefited from the union ones....they didn't want the unions in, so they stayed competitive to keep them out. Nowadays....employers hold all the cards...they've been given the ability to instill fear and intimidate the workforce.

I still say a Nationwide strike should happen. Maybe then employers would realize that labor is the lifeblood of their wealth.

23 years and making $21 an hour and retiring at 60 with medical. If that is a dream and you like it, good for you. Doesn't sound like my idea of a good job or a union taking care of me.

 

[mex]

umm obama has been president for 4 years he doesnt pay for any of that shit for me good job finding a video of a stupid person

you're right. Obama doesn't pay for the obama phone. We do.

lol

 

[logical4u]

I will vote for Obama for one reason -- Mitt Romney! And any middle class, working class American who doesn't do the same is making a huge mistake.

Obama is not a good president. In fact his performance as been thoroughly disappointing. But this election is a textbook example of lesser of two evils.

Romney is a predatory corporatist. He has absolutely no interest in what is best for America or its people. He has built a career on legal looting by exploitation and if given the chance he will focus those skills on the U.S. Treasury.

The choice between Obama and Romney is like having a choice between treatable asthma and advanced lung cancer, respectively. America can survive another four years with Obama but the kind of damage Mitt Romney is capable of is likely to mean the end of the middle class and resurrection of the Gilded Age.

Those of you who think in terms of Left and Right, Liberal and Conservative, need to put aside those tribal urges and apply some common sense. Don't allow Mitt Romney to capitalize on your partisan bias.

Obama is willing to allow US territories to be invaded and captured (see ME embassies). Obama is willing to allow ILLEGAL immigrants to avoid the law (see executive order that has shut down deportation of illegal immigrants). How does voting for a man that does not follow the basic oath of office improve anything? How can voting for a man that wants to destroy the first ammendment (see don't "blaspheme" the prophet, and forcing people to pay for medical services that are against their religion)? In short, how can you vote for a man that has said he is going to continue with his proven failed policies, and has improved NOTHING?

 

[Papageorgio]

You gotta admit that black females are the greatest parasites in American society. I understand that it is not politically correct, but is none-the-less true.

Actually it s black females who bear the brunt of raising black families. It is black males who are irresponsible

What a racist comment!

No kidding! Stereotyping, profiling, hatred, racism. Rightwinger proves my point that liberals are racists that pretend not to be.

 

[Papageorgio]

You gotta admit that black females are the greatest parasites in American society. I understand that it is not politically correct, but is none-the-less true.

Actually it s black females who bear the brunt of raising black families. It is black males who are irresponsible

Obama is a black male, is he irresponsible rightwinger?

 

[logical4u]

How's that working out for you? Apparently you think union people are rich...so that means you must be poor.

Hey, I'm with you on the quality/quantity of work thing. But just think....if you have half the work ethic you claim to have....you should be able to get into a management position competing with all those "lazy" union guys, right?

How's that working out for you? Apparently you think union people are rich...so that means you must be poor.

I said they were the rich working class they are the wealthy of labor. I never said they were wealthier than me just that you support the wealthy working class types. You are not for the non union people.

Bullshit....You've seen my rants on the economy....Not once have I ever said or implied that the changes that need to occur should be for "union" people only. I want everyone to have the same decent life that I do. We put one kid through college and our second is attending now. We go on vacation....oh, we have to struggle somewhat to do it.....work some overtime, not buy frivolous things..etc. Going on a 10 day cruise in January. Pretty decent life....we pay our bills without much trouble....we are able to save for the big stuff that goes beyond normal bills.....that's the way it should be.

The point is, I support all of the working class....and most of the working class don't have it near as good as we do.....they need to take some sort of welfare just to get by....be it food stamps, Medicaid or housing assistance. They also, as you guys point out, don't pay Federal Income Tax....which doesn't help pay down the debt or pay for the programs we do have.

Only a blind man can't see that the pandering to the "job creators" has gone too far and our entire country is suffering because of it. There needs to be a change in the attitudes towards American labor.....a job where one would be better off on Welfare isn't much of a job at all.

Unions? yeah, I'm pro-union.....but if things were different and Employers treated their employees right.....there wouldn't be a need for unions. A fair day's pay for a fair day's work means that you don't need welfare for your family to subsist.

"Job creators", do you mean like the President giving the "greenies" taxpayer monies to pocket by declaring bankrupcy, and those that were supposed to be given jobs, unemployed (at the tax payers' expense)? He works like a two-bit African dictator that is intent on robbing the country blind, while shutting down anyone that points out the truth.

 

[logical4u]

Because I think it's time someone else started paying my car, my gas, and mortgage for me.

- On a serious note, so there can actually be a valid discussion -

How can someone explain to me that voting for Obama isn't applauding this sort of attitude? (See video below)

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! - YouTube

Oh shoot..

Another day..another conservative racist.

Was that the 47% Mittens was going on about?

What is the percentage of blacks in this country?
Black: 12.6%
Asian: 4.8%
hispanic or latino 16.4% (this was not broken into white vs other hispanic groups)
that leaves 13.2% that are presumably "white".

How is this racist?

 

[mudwhistle]

umm obama has been president for 4 years he doesnt pay for any of that shit for me good job finding a video of a stupid person

You're right. Obama doesn't pay for the Obama Phone. We do.

Maybe you were unaware, but government assistance for phone services has been around for decades before Obama. Or maybe you were aware and are just being a partisan hack.

This is true....but then again Obama was the one who gave it to over a million Ohioans. Nobody else did that.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well explain to me when someone say pro labor what are they talking about?
The rich minority class would be union members.
I have yet too see a poor union member being paid 30.00 to 70.00 bucks an hour on unions jobs would not make them poor labor would it?

Well....why don't you join a union, if it's so great? You see, when you belong to a union, you don't stand alone. You negotiate contracts with your employer...the employer says....I'll pay you $$.....the union says....we want $$$$$. They meet at $$$....which is usually a pretty livable wage.

I've been working for my employer for 23 years....I make about $21/hr. I also have a pension that will allow me to retire in 12 years....I'll be 60. I'll also have my medical paid for till I die.

Sorry dude, to me? That's worth the $15 I pay in union dues per paycheck. I spend more than that on Diet Mountain Dew in two weeks.

I am pro-labor.....no matter whether you are union or not. What you fail to realize is that when unions were.in their heyday....non-union workplaces benefited from the union ones....they didn't want the unions in, so they stayed competitive to keep them out. Nowadays....employers hold all the cards...they've been given the ability to instill fear and intimidate the workforce.

I still say a Nationwide strike should happen. Maybe then employers would realize that labor is the lifeblood of their wealth.

23 years and making $21 an hour and retiring at 60 with medical. If that is a dream and you like it, good for you. Doesn't sound like my idea of a good job or a union taking care of me.

And they are taking 15.00 dollars a week from Steels pay check I call that Robbery.

 

[Papageorgio]

Well....why don't you join a union, if it's so great? You see, when you belong to a union, you don't stand alone. You negotiate contracts with your employer...the employer says....I'll pay you $$.....the union says....we want $$$$$. They meet at $$$....which is usually a pretty livable wage.

I've been working for my employer for 23 years....I make about $21/hr. I also have a pension that will allow me to retire in 12 years....I'll be 60. I'll also have my medical paid for till I die.

Sorry dude, to me? That's worth the $15 I pay in union dues per paycheck. I spend more than that on Diet Mountain Dew in two weeks.

I am pro-labor.....no matter whether you are union or not. What you fail to realize is that when unions were.in their heyday....non-union workplaces benefited from the union ones....they didn't want the unions in, so they stayed competitive to keep them out. Nowadays....employers hold all the cards...they've been given the ability to instill fear and intimidate the workforce.

I still say a Nationwide strike should happen. Maybe then employers would realize that labor is the lifeblood of their wealth.

23 years and making $21 an hour and retiring at 60 with medical. If that is a dream and you like it, good for you. Doesn't sound like my idea of a good job or a union taking care of me.

And they are taking 15.00 dollars a week from Steels pay check I call that Robbery.

They take a weeks wages to get him to almost $21 an hour after 23 years. It is sad what unions are credited for doing. He's 48 and thinks he is doing well at a job he has been doing since he was $25. Top it off, he has been working for good health benefits when he retires. One has to wonder if he is the ignorant that Obama speaks about.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

23 years and making $21 an hour and retiring at 60 with medical. If that is a dream and you like it, good for you. Doesn't sound like my idea of a good job or a union taking care of me.

And they are taking 15.00 dollars a week from Steels pay check I call that Robbery.

They take a weeks wages to get him to almost $21 an hour after 23 years. It is sad what unions are credited for doing. He's 48 and thinks he is doing well at a job he has been doing since he was $25. Top it off, he has been working for good health benefits when he retires. One has to wonder if he is the ignorant that Obama speaks about.

Wouldn't it be a waste to work that long but never make retirement?
I mean to pay those union dues and never get the benefits of retiring?

 

[rightwinger]

23 years and making $21 an hour and retiring at 60 with medical. If that is a dream and you like it, good for you. Doesn't sound like my idea of a good job or a union taking care of me.

And they are taking 15.00 dollars a week from Steels pay check I call that Robbery.

They take a weeks wages to get him to almost $21 an hour after 23 years. It is sad what unions are credited for doing. He's 48 and thinks he is doing well at a job he has been doing since he was $25. Top it off, he has been working for good health benefits when he retires. One has to wonder if he is the ignorant that Obama speaks about.

You guys can't play both sides of the fence. Unions are either demanding exorbitant wages or they are not

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And they are taking 15.00 dollars a week from Steels pay check I call that Robbery.

They take a weeks wages to get him to almost $21 an hour after 23 years. It is sad what unions are credited for doing. He's 48 and thinks he is doing well at a job he has been doing since he was $25. Top it off, he has been working for good health benefits when he retires. One has to wonder if he is the ignorant that Obama speaks about.

You guys can't play both sides of the fence. Unions are either demanding exorbitant wages or they are not

It depends on the union whether or not it's skilled or not.

 

[rightwinger]

They take a weeks wages to get him to almost $21 an hour after 23 years. It is sad what unions are credited for doing. He's 48 and thinks he is doing well at a job he has been doing since he was $25. Top it off, he has been working for good health benefits when he retires. One has to wonder if he is the ignorant that Obama speaks about.

You guys can't play both sides of the fence. Unions are either demanding exorbitant wages or they are not

It depends on the union whether or not it's skilled or not.

What is it?

Are unions getting exorbitant rates or not?