Illegal Migrants Can Vote In US Federal Elections Without Fear Of Prosecution As Vetting And Prosecution By Federal Agencies Is Non Existent

[wamose]

Prove you're a citizen when you register. Have your face registered in a facial recognition data base. Vote in person using your face as your ID. Easy peasy. MAGA

 

[surada]

" Illegal Migrants Can Vote In US Federal Elections Without Fear Of Prosecution As Vetting And Prosecution By Federal Agencies Is Non Existent "

* Bifurcated State Voter Registration Systems That Require Proof Of Us State Citizenship Being Blocked *

FYI , according to us 14th amendment , any us citizen has a federal citizenship and a state citizenship in one of the us states .

NVRA should be amended , however assuming it will not be , post federal election audit and an intent to prosecute any illegal migrant voting should be announced and performed .

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU10/20210816/114010/HHRG-117-JU10-20210816-SD202.pdf

The overwhelming reason states have considered voter roll bifurcation is that federal and statecourts have consistently ruled against proof of citizenship requirements for voter registration.
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In response, courts have overwhelmingly struck down proof of citizenship requirements on the grounds that federal election law, as laid out by the National Voter Registration Act of 1993(NVRA), makes such requirements unnecessary and burdensome. Specifically, the NVRA preempts any state-led effort to require proof of citizenship in voter registration because the NVRA already requires applicants to attest that they are citizens of the United States on the voter registration form.

* Department Of Transportation Real Id But No Limits To Voter Registration Check Box *

Illegal immigrants on voter rolls spurs watchdog group to sue Maricopa County

Conservative judicial watchdog group America First Legal is suing Maricopa County for allegedly failing to remove illegal immigrants from voter rolls.

www.foxnews.com

The lawsuit claims that, as of April 2024, over 35,000 registered voters in Arizona had not provided proof of citizenship, limiting them to voting only in federal races, according to the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office.

The lawsuit alleges that Arizona's voter registration system creates a split between those who provide proof of citizenship (DPOC) and those who do not. Under Arizona law, DPOC is required for state and local elections, but the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the federal voter registration form does not mandate this requirement. Consequently, Arizona has a bifurcated system where voters who use the federal form – known as Federal-Only Voters – are restricted to voting only in federal elections.

In 2022, Arizona enacted two laws imposing stricter voter list maintenance requirements for Federal-Only Voters. These laws mandate that county recorders conduct monthly maintenance to verify citizenship and check newly registered Federal-Only Voters within ten days.

Every state requires proof of citizenship when you register to vote.

Check the registration requirements for your state.

 

[surada]

False.

I want election integrity and don't believe citizens should have to provide proof of citizenship.

I don't think citizens should have to "register" to vote. All citizen should be recognized as eligible to vote barring the franchise being removed.

WW

Virginia requires proof of citizenship when you register to vote for the first time.. If that lapses or you are purged, you'll have to prove your eligibility all over again.

I had to register to vote again when I moved to Florida and had to prove my citizenship.

Trump is just trying to undermine confidence in our elections. When he loses in November we're going to have a whole new claim of stolen elections and incitement to violence.

 

[Dragonlady]

Last week, I saw some dude who couldn't speak English, registering to vote in Northampton county, Pennsylvania. I thought you had to speak our language to become a citizen. The cheating continues. MAGA

Well that's hard evidence right there. Lock him up!!!

No wonder you vote for Trump!

 

[wamose]

Well that's hard evidence right there. Lock him up!!!

No wonder you vote for Trump!

No, I vote for Trump because I'm too old to learn how to be a good communist. I like my America to be the way it was envisioned by our founders. MAGA

 

[WorldWatcher]

Virginia requires proof of citizenship when you register to vote for the first time.. If that lapses or you are purged, you'll have to prove your eligibility all over again.

I had to register to vote again when I moved to Florida and had to prove my citizenship.

Trump is just trying to undermine confidence in our elections. When he loses in November we're going to have a whole new claim of stolen elections and incitement to violence.

The ID's allowed at registration don't necessarily prove citizenship, they prove identification. Two different things.

Below are links to the voter registration form in Virginia and the acceptable documents (which are the same for casting a ballot).

I registered in VA in 1998, when I retired from the Navy and stayed here I had to register to move my voting. I don't think I needed anything other that my VA drivers license to register.

WW
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https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/formswarehouse/veris-voter-registration/applications/VA-NVRA-1-Voter-Registration-Application-rev-5-2024-2.pdf

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/formswarehouse/voter-id/outreach-materials/documents/Voter-Identification-Chart---Revised-08.23.2023.pdf

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Starting Over At The Beginning "

* Clue Less Response Likely Ignoring Registrations In Multiple States *

Every state requires proof of citizenship when you register to vote.
Check the registration requirements for your state.

Did you not read the OP ?

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU10/20210816/114010/HHRG-117-JU10-20210816-SD202.pdf
The overwhelming reason states have considered voter roll bifurcation is that federal and state courts have consistently ruled against proof of citizenship requirements for voter registration.
...
In response, courts have overwhelmingly struck down proof of citizenship requirements on the grounds that federal election law, as laid out by the National Voter Registration Act of 1993(NVRA), makes such requirements unnecessary and burdensome. Specifically, the NVRA preempts any state-led effort to require proof of citizenship in voter registration because the NVRA already requires applicants to attest that they are citizens of the United States on the voter registration form.


* Use Department Of Transportation Real ID Database Would Not Require Voter Registration *

 

[leftwinger]

Every state requires proof of citizenship when you register to vote.

Check the registration requirements for your state.

Was not true until THURS. very confusing with these corrupt courts on a simple matter like voting!

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The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a mixed ruling on a controversial Arizona voting law.

The Republican National Committee had asked the court to put a pause on a lower court ruling against the 2022 law. And in a 5-4 decision, the high court granted part of that request, allowing Arizona to enforce — for now — a section that requires election officials to reject state voter registration forms that are submitted without an applicant’s proof of U.S. citizenship. That provision will remain in effect as an appeal proceeds.

But the court rejected other aspects of Republicans' request that could have blocked tens of thousands of currently registered voters from voting in this fall’s presidential election.

***they cant remove tens of thousands BS illegal names already registered? WTH? Here goes another flood of mail-in ballot fraud.

 

[leftwinger]

Below is what the USSC decided in 2013. On registers honor system. This is a loophole the D exploit. No one is going to chase down any illegal name they can’t find. Suck it down dummy DEM. It may be different right now but this is what it was. //

June 17, 2013 at 12:20 p.m. EDT
States may not require additional proof of citizenship on federal forms designed to streamline voter-registration procedures, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.
The court rejected a requirement passed by Arizona voters in 2004 that potential voters supply proof of eligibility beyond an applicant’s oath on the federal form that he or she is a citizen.

 

[leftwinger]

So in fall 2020 they registered as many as they could as fast as they could. Mail ballots went out. Some illegals were registered under multiple names to multiple address. Just check here Jose it says you want to be a citizen, no one will bother you. No address? Use this one. No ID or SS#? Just check homeless, no ID put down the shelter address right here,

90 days later at vote time Jose is gone. Who got that ballot?

 

[leftwinger]

They don’t have to vote. A Ballot will go out in their name. Someone will vote it, like in 2020.//

June 17, 2013 at 12:20 p.m. EDT
States may not require additional proof of citizenship on federal forms designed to streamline voter-registration procedures, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.
The court rejected a requirement passed by Arizona voters in 2004 that potential voters supply proof of eligibility beyond an applicant’s oath on the federal form that he or she is a citizen.

**for federal office, it’s basically honor system. This is one loophole that dirty D exploit.

 

[Moonglow]

Shouldn't be needed. Proof of citizenship for federal voting (required in all other countries) should be a requirement to ensure election integrity. Only those who don't want election integrity, are opposed.

It is not in the Constitution.

 

[Moonglow]

So in fall 2020 they registered as many as they could as fast as they could. Mail ballots went out. Some illegals were registered under multiple names to multiple address. Just check here Jose it says you want to be a citizen, no one will bother you. No address? Use this one. No ID or SS#? Just check homeless, no ID put down the shelter address right here,

90 days later at vote time Jose is gone. Who got that ballot?

Where is yer proof that there was a situation as this?

 

[Moonglow]

They don’t have to vote. A Ballot will go out in their name. Someone will vote it, like in 2020.//

June 17, 2013 at 12:20 p.m. EDT
States may not require additional proof of citizenship on federal forms designed to streamline voter-registration procedures, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.
The court rejected a requirement passed by Arizona voters in 2004 that potential voters supply proof of eligibility beyond an applicant’s oath on the federal form that he or she is a citizen.

**for federal office, it’s basically honor system. This is one loophole that dirty D exploit.

Prove it then.

 

[protectionist]

False.

I want election integrity and don't believe citizens should have to provide proof of citizenship.

I don't think citizens should have to "register" to vote. All citizen should be recognized as eligible to vote barring the franchise being removed.

WW

Yes, all citizens should be recognized as eligible to vote. Likewise, all non-citizens should be recognized as INeligible to vote, and prevented from voting.

This can only happen with a proof of citizenship requirement,

One cannot recognize citizens as eligible to vote, in the absence of a proof of citizenship requirement,

 

[JohnDB]

 

[protectionist]

First of all "registering to vote" and identification of a voter when ballots are caste are two distinctly different issues.

By changing the fundamental model from "registering to vote".

PREMISE:
The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country was based on a time when:

• The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
• Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
• It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).

During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of a highly mobile society with instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible citizens are fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:

• Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
• State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
• State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
• Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
• State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
• State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
• State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
• State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
• United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
• Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
• Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
• The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction

Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW

None of this addresses the primary voting problem we currently have. That is to stop non-citizens from voting.

 

[protectionist]

Every state requires proof of citizenship when you register to vote.

Check the registration requirements for your state.

FALSE! You keep saying this, and I am going to keep refuting it every time you say it.

Not 1 of the 50 states requires "proof of citizenship" for voting in US federal elections.

 

[protectionist]

I had to register to vote again when I moved to Florida and had to prove my citizenship.

I have voted in Florida numerous times . I NEVER had to prove my citizenship.

 

[protectionist]

" Starting Over At The Beginning "

* Clue Less Response Likely Ignoring Registrations In Multiple States *

Did you not read the OP ?

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU10/20210816/114010/HHRG-117-JU10-20210816-SD202.pdf
The overwhelming reason states have considered voter roll bifurcation is that federal and state courts have consistently ruled against proof of citizenship requirements for voter registration.
...
In response, courts have overwhelmingly struck down proof of citizenship requirements on the grounds that federal election law, as laid out by the National Voter Registration Act of 1993(NVRA), makes such requirements unnecessary and burdensome. Specifically, the NVRA preempts any state-led effort to require proof of citizenship in voter registration because the NVRA already requires applicants to attest that they are citizens of the United States on the voter registration form.


* Use Department Of Transportation Real ID Database Would Not Require Voter Registration *

The problem is that for applicants to attest that they are citizens of the United States, is a joke when it comes to illegal aliens.

This braindead idea relies on trusting illegal aliens to tell the truth.

Could anything be dumber ?