Illegal Migrants Can Vote In US Federal Elections Without Fear Of Prosecution As Vetting And Prosecution By Federal Agencies Is Non Existent

[Monk-Eye]

" Illegal Migrants Can Vote In US Federal Elections Without Fear Of Prosecution As Vetting And Prosecution By Federal Agencies Is Non Existent "

* Bifurcated State Voter Registration Systems That Require Proof Of Us State Citizenship Being Blocked *

FYI , according to us 14th amendment , any us citizen has a federal citizenship and a state citizenship in one of the us states .

NVRA should be amended , however assuming it will not be , post federal election audit and an intent to prosecute any illegal migrant voting should be announced and performed .

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU10/20210816/114010/HHRG-117-JU10-20210816-SD202.pdf

The overwhelming reason states have considered voter roll bifurcation is that federal and statecourts have consistently ruled against proof of citizenship requirements for voter registration.
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In response, courts have overwhelmingly struck down proof of citizenship requirements on the grounds that federal election law, as laid out by the National Voter Registration Act of 1993(NVRA), makes such requirements unnecessary and burdensome. Specifically, the NVRA preempts any state-led effort to require proof of citizenship in voter registration because the NVRA already requires applicants to attest that they are citizens of the United States on the voter registration form.

* Department Of Transportation Real Id But No Limits To Voter Registration Check Box *

Illegal immigrants on voter rolls spurs watchdog group to sue Maricopa County

Conservative judicial watchdog group America First Legal is suing Maricopa County for allegedly failing to remove illegal immigrants from voter rolls.

www.foxnews.com

The lawsuit claims that, as of April 2024, over 35,000 registered voters in Arizona had not provided proof of citizenship, limiting them to voting only in federal races, according to the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office.

The lawsuit alleges that Arizona's voter registration system creates a split between those who provide proof of citizenship (DPOC) and those who do not. Under Arizona law, DPOC is required for state and local elections, but the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the federal voter registration form does not mandate this requirement. Consequently, Arizona has a bifurcated system where voters who use the federal form – known as Federal-Only Voters – are restricted to voting only in federal elections.

In 2022, Arizona enacted two laws imposing stricter voter list maintenance requirements for Federal-Only Voters. These laws mandate that county recorders conduct monthly maintenance to verify citizenship and check newly registered Federal-Only Voters within ten days.

 

[Moonglow]

Do you have any proof of 35k illegal voters voting in Arizona?

 

[wamose]

Last week, I saw some dude who couldn't speak English, registering to vote in Northampton county, Pennsylvania. I thought you had to speak our language to become a citizen. The cheating continues. MAGA

 

[Moonglow]

Last week, I saw some dude who couldn't speak English, registering to vote in Northampton county, Pennsylvania. I thought you had to speak our language to become a citizen. The cheating continues. MAGA

Please show us the law that requires a person to speak English to be a citizen.

 

[1srelluc]

The dems register anyone with a pulse (and many without). If they are not vetted in the county they are submitted in then they could vote but it would be illegal.

 

[Care4all]

Do the registration offices who receive the voter registration applications, vet the applications for minimum age requirements, address and residence accuracy, whether they are a convicted felon, and citizenship as you would think they are required to do?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Please show us the law that requires a person to speak English to be a citizen.

Becoming and being a citizen are two different things. I believe there are language requirements for naturalization, but those don’t apply to birth.

A citizen raised in another non-English country would be a citizen with a possibility (albeit small) of not speaking English.

WW

 

[Care4all]

Becoming and being a citizen are two different things. I believe there are language requirements for naturalization, but those don’t apply to birth.

A citizen raised in another non-English country would be a citizen with a possibility (albeit small) of not speaking English.

WW

My Italian grandparents became citizens of the United States in the1970's or thereabouts....my grandfather spoke broken English, but my grandmother knew only about 25 words, and she pronounced them funny. All she had to do is answer the questions asked in English, in English....and she was given the test questionnaire ahead of time....so she memorized it.

She began working the month they arrived on their visa, in a coat factory in NYC garment district and worked for them for 15 years, and never learned English, no matter how hard she tried, and she really did try...so my mom ended up being their interpreter in legal things like buying homes, and banking and even doctor's appointments and so on...they had no problems living in Brooklyn because everyone in the neighborhood spoke Italian even the Jewish store owners spoke some Italian, but when my parents moved them to whatever state my parents moved to outside of the city, my mom became their caretaker of sorts.

So, speaking English was not that critical of an issue back in the 1970s on naturalization... as I would Imagine it is now?

 

[WorldWatcher]

My Italian grandparents became citizens of the United States in the1970's or thereabouts....my grandfather spoke broken English, but my grandmother knew only about 25 words, and she pronounced them funny. All she had to do is answer the questions asked in English, in English....and she was given the test questionnaire ahead of time....so she memorized it.

She began working the month they arrived on their visa, in a coat factory in NYC garment district and worked for them for 15 years, and never learned English, no matter how hard she tried, and she really did try...so my mom ended up being their interpreter in legal things like buying homes, and banking and even doctor's appointments and so on...they had no problems living in Brooklyn because everyone in the neighborhood spoke Italian even the Jewish store owners spoke some Italian, but when my parents moved them to whatever state my parents moved to outside of the city, my mom became their caretaker of sorts.

So, speaking English was not that critical of an issue back in the 1970s on naturalization... as I would Imagine it is now?

Which goes back to….

Having to know English to become a citizen and knowing English to be a citizen. They are not the same thing.

WW

 

[Harry Dresden]

My Italian grandparents became citizens of the United States in the1970's or thereabouts....my grandfather spoke broken English, but my grandmother knew only about 25 words, and she pronounced them funny. All she had to do is answer the questions asked in English, in English....and she was given the test questionnaire ahead of time....so she memorized it.

She began working the month they arrived on their visa, in a coat factory in NYC garment district and worked for them for 15 years, and never learned English, no matter how hard she tried, and she really did try...so my mom ended up being their interpreter in legal things like buying homes, and banking and even doctor's appointments and so on...they had no problems living in Brooklyn because everyone in the neighborhood spoke Italian even the Jewish store owners spoke some Italian, but when my parents moved them to whatever state my parents moved to outside of the city, my mom became their caretaker of sorts.

So, speaking English was not that critical of an issue back in the 1970s on naturalization... as I would Imagine it is now?

yea my grand parents were from Sicily and spoke very broken English.....when i was a little kid they used to yell at me and cousins in Sicilian,i didnt know what they were saying, but yet i knew what they were talking about....

 

[Care4all]

yea my grand parents were from Sicily and spoke very broken English.....when i was a little kid they used to yell at me and cousins in Sicilian,i didnt know what they were saying, but yet i knew what they were talking about....

Precisely!!!

 

[WEATHER53]

An illegal is not a migrant .
There are stipulations to be considered migrating
Merely plopping down and seeking freebies makes you a criminal and not a migrant which has legality to support it

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Ask Watch Dogs Who Want Compliance "

* Voting For Deception Through Incompetence *

Do you have any proof of 35k illegal voters voting in Arizona?

The article indicates that 35k registered voters have not provided proof of citizenship .

What is your opinion for how many illegal migrants , or legal migrants who are not citizens , should be allowed to vote in us state and federal elections ?

Does mass distribution of unsolicited ballots to people at addresses from current voting roles that have not been verified to be accurate , when the ballots can then be dropped anonymously into boxes , seem like voting integrity to you ?

An individual can only have one valid drivers license and the department of transportation assures that through its system , so do voting registers confirm that an individual is only registered to vote once ?

Illegal immigrants on voter rolls spurs watchdog group to sue Maricopa County

Conservative judicial watchdog group America First Legal is suing Maricopa County for allegedly failing to remove illegal immigrants from voter rolls.

www.foxnews.com

"Under Recorder Stephen Richer, voter list maintenance has remained a top priority, removing more than 400,000 voters from the rolls since January 2021. As an administrative office, we will continue to follow the letter of the law," the spokesperson said.

 

[Unkotare]

Last week, I saw some dude who couldn't speak English, registering to vote in Northampton county, Pennsylvania. I thought you had to speak our language to become a citizen. The cheating continues. MAGA

You don’t have to speak English to BE a US citizen.

 

[Moonglow]

" Ask Watch Dogs Who Want Compliance "

* Voting For Deception Through Incompetence *

The article indicates that 35k registered voters have not provided proof of citizenship .

What is your opinion for how many illegal migrants , or legal migrants who are not citizens , should be allowed to vote in us state and federal elections ?

Does mass distribution of unsolicited ballots to people at addresses from current voting roles that have not been verified to be accurate , when the ballots can then be dropped anonymously into boxes , seem like voting integrity to you ?

An individual can only have one valid drivers license and the department of transportation assures that through its system , so do voting registers confirm that an individual is only registered to vote once ?

Illegal immigrants on voter rolls spurs watchdog group to sue Maricopa County

Conservative judicial watchdog group America First Legal is suing Maricopa County for allegedly failing to remove illegal immigrants from voter rolls.

www.foxnews.com

"Under Recorder Stephen Richer, voter list maintenance has remained a top priority, removing more than 400,000 voters from the rolls since January 2021. As an administrative office, we will continue to follow the letter of the law," the spokesperson said.

I highly doubt illegals want to put themselves at risk by voting.

 

[protectionist]

Do you have any proof of 35k illegal voters voting in Arizona?

Shouldn't be needed. Proof of citizenship for federal voting (required in all other countries) should be a requirement to ensure election integrity. Only those who don't want election integrity, are opposed.

 

[protectionist]

I highly doubt illegals want to put themselves at risk by voting.

There is no reason to think they would be at risk, except in a FEW places where they are cracking down. In 99%, they just slide right through
Most states don't require ANY at all.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Proof of citizenship for federal voting (required in all other countries) should be a requirement to ensure election integrity. Only those who don't want election integrity, are opposed.

False.

I want election integrity and don't believe citizens should have to provide proof of citizenship.

I don't think citizens should have to "register" to vote. All citizen should be recognized as eligible to vote barring the franchise being removed.

WW

 

[Unkotare]

False.

I want election integrity and don't believe citizens should have to provide proof of citizenship.

I don't think citizens should have to "register" to vote. All citizen should be recognized as eligible to vote barring the franchise being removed.

WW

Then how would you identify those who are NOT eligible?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Then how would you identify those who are NOT eligible?

First of all "registering to vote" and identification of a voter when ballots are caste are two distinctly different issues.

By changing the fundamental model from "registering to vote".

PREMISE:
The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country was based on a time when:

• The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
• Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
• It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).

During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of a highly mobile society with instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible citizens are fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:

• Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
• State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
• State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
• Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
• State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
• State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
• State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
• State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
• United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
• Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
• Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
• The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction

Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW