Illegal immigrants

[badger2]

#98 speaks pre-photography (papers evolved and complexified to include photo ID), but the "houses" part is very old (Neolithic).

 

[Nova78]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

You bigots are in a tiny minority.

Thank God.

Nothing bigoted in protecting your country, Nancy!

You don't care about our country. You are only fooling yourselves.

Why don't you sponsor a few .clown..... give out your address, we can send them right over , you can claim it as a sanctuary .

 

[ThisIsMe]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

You bigots are in a tiny minority.

Thank God.

Lol, wanting to keep the border secure makes you a bigot? Wow. Tell ya what, why don't you just head on down south of the border and see how well you are liked down there? Or better yet, go face to face to the family of someone who's little child was killed by an illegal, and tell them they are a bigot for not wanting illegals here.

Think about it and stop parroting talking point from liberal talk shows. Having pride in your country doesn't make you a bigot, racists, or whatever.

 

[Edward007]

One good way to rid all illegals in America is to stop paying for free healthcare, housing, EBT cards, then they will leave.

 

[ThisIsMe]

One good way to rid all illegals in America is to stop paying for free healthcare, housing, EBT cards, then they will leave.

I have a better idea, for each election cycle for major elections, if you vote democrats, you should be required to have an additional 3% held out of your pay each paycheck. If you want them here so bad, then you are going to pay for them.

 

[ThisIsMe]

One good way to rid all illegals in America is to stop paying for free healthcare, housing, EBT cards, then they will leave.

I have a better idea, for each election cycle for major elections, if you vote democrats, you should be required to have an additional 3% held out of your pay each paycheck. If you want them here so bad, then you are going to pay for them.

What I don't understand is, what happens when the u.s. economy falls (and it will fall eventually) all these illegals will just go home, with all the money they have been sending home over the years, and live very well. Do you think the government's of those countries will be so eager to help us? Do you think if we walk across the southern border looking for help, they will be there with open arms, as we seem to be?

Not a chance, they would deport us immediately, and tell us to figure it out for ourselves.

But, people in this country don't care, bring em on over!

 

[Zoom-boing]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

Agree.

Anyone who enters this country illegally should NEVER be allowed to vote.

 

[Hellbilly]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

Make America White Again!

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[usmcstinger]

The DACA Children's Parents must be deported!

 

[Humorme]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

Agree.

Anyone who enters this country illegally should NEVER be allowed to vote.

Anyone who makes an improper U Turn should never be able to drive again.

 

[Humorme]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

The only reason would be to give mercy...as God would expect from us... and in order for God to give his undeserved mercy to us, when we mess up, is for us to give mercy, to others who have screwed up....

Yes, they did break the law,

though if they came before the new law passed under Bush2 it was the equivalent of a driving citation or parking ticket at the time....

and even now, after the law was strengthened, it is still only a misdemeanor crossing the border illegally...., it is NOT a felony until after deportation, they have been caught entering again.

I don't think all of them should be given mercy, the criminals, and gang members, or any number of illegal things done could be an automatic elimination of working towards citizenship here....

But I can't help but have a soft heart for the ones that came here, to the land of opportunity, because there was NONE to be had for their family back in Mexico.... I ask myself, would I do the same for my family in desperation, if I were the one being born in certain impoverished areas of Mexico, not by my choosing...or if there was no other legal way to do it???

I honestly do not know the answer to that question, on whether I would take the risk, for my family's best interest....

so, they DO NOT necessarily DESERVE to have our country as their country.... because they did break the rules and laws to do such, but as a great Nation, we can shed mercy on them....

Dreamers are a different story, they being brought here as children, broke no immigration laws....their parents did, but they did not....

While I share your sentiment - to a degree, I think you are urinating in the wind. I argued for years (no matter what the anti-immigrant lobby believes) that coming into the United States without papers is a civil violation of the law and is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

In any event, legally speaking, coming into the United States is not that big of a deal. AND, what the dim wits on the far right cannot understand is that a lot of Americans invited the foreigners here. The right got this idea that they and they alone have all the rights and nobody else does.

So, let's make this issue consistent and simple. This entire debate is a result of the 14th Amendment which was illegally ratified in the first place. So, suppose we simply nullify that and return back to the laws prior to the 14th Amendment. Non-whites cannot qualify for citizenship and you can start sending the blacks back to Africa, get rid of the Muslims, and force all the Hispanics back south of the border.

That would be simple, consistent and the most fair solution given the right's inconsistent application of the law.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

While I share your sentiment - to a degree, I think you are urinating in the wind. I argued for years (no matter what the anti-immigrant lobby believes) that coming into the United States without papers is a civil violation of the law and is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

The reality is that Improper Entry is a criminal violation, Overstaying a visa is an Administrative Infraction which is equivalent to an improper u-turn. Improper Entry is a violation, Overstaying a visa is simply an infraction.

In any event, legally speaking, coming into the United States is not that big of a deal. AND, what the dim wits on the far right cannot understand is that a lot of Americans invited the foreigners here. The right got this idea that they and they alone have all the rights and nobody else does.

Americans did not invite foreigners here illegally. Those foreigners are nothing more then economic refugees. Economic refugees have no more right to enter this country illegally then you do in hiring them illegally. SHRUG

So, let's make this issue consistent and simple. This entire debate is a result of the 14th Amendment which was illegally ratified in the first place. So, suppose we simply nullify that and return back to the laws prior to the 14th Amendment. Non-whites cannot qualify for citizenship and you can start sending the blacks back to Africa, get rid of the Muslims, and force all the Hispanics back south of the border.

Even if the 14th was illegally ratified, you have the 1866 Civil Rights Act to deal with, which is what made others born here who were previously denied being born citizens, allowing them to be born citizens.

That would be simple, consistent and the most fair solution given the right's inconsistent application of the law.

You really don't know much about actual history or basic law. SHRUG

 

[LTSold]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

 

[Humorme]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

 

[LTSold]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

 

[Humorme]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

 

[LTSold]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

 

[Humorme]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

 

[LTSold]

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree. The immigrants that do come in, however, need to bring some sort of skills that would be beneficial to the economics and the immigrants should have a clean criminal record.

My view could change on this, but I believe people who do come here illegally have a much better work ethic than 95% of America. Doesn't necessarily mean they're better people, but a good portion of America has become privileged without any reason to be, lazy, loud, and opinionated on both sides of the political spectrum without taking the time to look into things. My views on this are quite bipartisan. Just my view on the subject at the moment, but I'm pretty open.

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

Okay, so if I'm not mistaken, there are 2 part to what you're staying here. You're basically saying if an illegal alien is pulled over without a driver's license, that undocumented immigrant should not be contained and deported because of the fact it impacts a police state. To be clear, I'm saying in the context of an undocumented immigrant being pulled over for a legitimate reason, not just profiling the individual.

And does it just appear that this is relevant to your opposite of the wall or did you mean to write it that way?