If Trump Makes it Official Policy not to Defend Countries that Don't Pay their Share, what do You Imagine the Outcome will be?

[Cellblock2429]

Ukraine was not in NATO.

Countries not in NATO seem to be opting out of the U.S. protection by not paying their share. Surprised they did not learn from Ukraine's example.

But why pay, when you have Biden's America acting as Uncle Sugar?

/----/ In post #34, you didn't specify NATO nations, just " in invading over other nations,"
I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What makes a normal person think spending a percentage of GDP on military is a good metric to follow? Switch the word Military to Healthcare, all of a sudden, America is at the bottom of the pile.

If America is dumb enough to waste billions upon billions on it's military, knock ya pan in. But don't expect the adults in the world to bow to your tantrums.

Fuck me, the gun nuts around here believe it's them idiots that's gonna fight off an invasion!! Proven fact.

 

[Seymour Flops]

/----/ In post #34, you didn't specify NATO nations, just " in invading over other nations,"

No sir, but thanks for asking, post 34 quoted me but was written by CrusaderFrank who mentioned other nations.

I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Cellblock2429]

No sir, but thanks for asking, post 34 quoted me but was written by CrusaderFrank who mentioned other nations.

/---/ Hey. I'm only on my third cup of coffee.

 

[zaangalewa]

If Trump Makes it Official Policy not to Defend Countries that Don't Pay their Share, what do You Imagine the Outcome will be?​

For me this means very clear that Donald Trump (=the USA) likes to attack Germany together with Putin (=Russia) in world war 3.

 

[Seymour Flops]

What makes a normal person think spending a percentage of GDP on military is a good metric to follow? Switch the word Military to Healthcare, all of a sudden, America is at the bottom of the pile.

Sure, due to the free market efficiency.

If America is dumb enough to waste billions upon billions on its military, knock ya pan in. But don't expect the adults in the world to bow to your tantrums.

If they’re too adult to spend money on tanks, etc., more power to ‘em. But if they don’t need their own military, they don’t need ours, either.

Fuck me, the gun nuts around here believe it's them idiots that's gonna fight off an invasion!! Proven fact.

Uh, yeah . . .

 

[zaangalewa]

Look at Germany....
They are one of the chief financial components of the Euro and the EU....

They are literally wallowing in cash....but instead of spending the money on defense they have spent it on anything and everything else. They should have a larger and better equipped Army than Poland with the billions of Euros....
But now Poland is carrying their water?

A treaty is just that....an agreement of performance by all sides. And if one party is not holding up their part then the treaty is scrapped and broken. Wars have broken out for less.
Germany and the others need to get their heads out of their butts and fix this quick....
Luxembourg? That's Russia anyway....who cares....they will be the cannon fodder of spies for Russia anyway....

May I ask from which planet you are coming and how long you will stay on planet Earth?

 

[JohnDB]

May I ask from which planet you are coming and how long you will stay on planet Earth?

It's not another planet but definitely another place

 

[zaangalewa]

It's not another planet but definitely another place

In which universe at what time of history?

 

[JohnDB]

In which universe at what time of history?

None of the above

 

[Markle]

President Trump's efforts resulted in far more countries paying their agreed-upon amount for defense.

Minimum required defense spending by NATO countries​

During the 2014 summit, all NATO members agreed to spend at least 2% of their GDPs on defense by 2025. In 2017, only four nations met the threshold: The United States (3.6%), Greece (2.4%), the United Kingdom (2.1%), and Poland (2.0%). However, by 2021, ten countries were meeting the percentage target.

NATO Spending by Country 2024

 

[Seymour Flops]

During the 2014 summit, all NATO members agreed to spend at least 2% of their GDPs on defense by 2025. In 2017, only four nations met the threshold: The United States (3.6%), Greece (2.4%), the United Kingdom (2.1%), and Poland (2.0%). However, by 2021, ten countries were meeting the percentage target.

The whole post is good, but I want to zero, in on that part of it. Remember that when some Democrat pronounces a problem “solved” because an agreement has been reached. Clearly those agreements are off of not worth the paper they are written on.

 

[Cellblock2429]

President Trump's efforts resulted in far more countries spending their agreed-upon amount for defense.

Minimum required defense spending by NATO countries​

During the 2014 summit, all NATO members agreed to spend at least 2% of their GDPs on defense by 2025. In 2017, only four nations met the threshold: The United States (3.6%), Greece (2.4%), the United Kingdom (2.1%), and Poland (2.0%). However, by 2021, ten countries were meeting the percentage target.

NATO Spending by Country 2024

/—-/ Meanwhile, Dementia Joe negotiated pistachio ice cream with the White House kitchen for his morning snack. And that’s saying something.

 

[Desperado]

Countries don't pay NATO and the United States does not control the budgets of other sovereign nations.

when you do not pay your mercenaries' to protect you don't expect protection

 

[IM2]

when you do not pay your mercenaries' to protect you don't expect protection

The agreement is for nations to spend at least 2 percent for their own defense. They do not pay NATO anything and we certainly are in no position to demand things from other NATO countries after they supported us in a war we started for no reason.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Countries don't pay NATO and the United States does not control the budgets of other sovereign nations.

Good point!

By the same token, those other nations don’t control our military and have no claim on our protection.

We’re sovereign, also. Welchers, deadbeats and freeloaders tend to forget that.

 

[IM2]

Good point!

By the same token, those other nations don’t control our military and have no claim on our protection.

We’re sovereign, also. Welchers, deadbeats and freeloaders tend to forget that.

Since no one pays to NATO we do not have the right to extort payments from other countries in exchange for protection. Article 5 is a binding legal treaty that we must respect.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Since no one pays to NATO we do not have the right to extort payments from other countries in exchange for protection. Article 5 is a binding legal treaty that we must respect.

No one is talking about extorting money to pay the US. Stop arguing against something that nobody is claiming.

So what are you trying to say? That the other countries don’t have to meet their obligations to NATO but somehow the US has to meet their obligations to them?

Yes, we can. “respect it“. Respect it by making sure everybody meets their obligations.

They don’t like it, they can sue us. I’m sure it would be in a court that the United States provides majority of funds for. Then let them enforce whatever judgment they get against us. With that pathetic .7% GDP spending on their military, that’s going to be rather difficult.

 

[Desperado]

The agreement is for nations to spend at least 2 percent for their own defense. They do not pay NATO anything and we certainly are in no position to demand things from other NATO countries after they supported us in a war we started for no reason.

when we are doing the the heavy lifting and bearing most of the cost. yes we are in a position to demand that other countries do what they agreed too or they can suffer the consequences.

 

[Markle]

The agreement is for nations to spend at least 2 percent for their own defense. They do not pay NATO anything and we certainly are in no position to demand things from other NATO countries after they supported us in a war we started for no reason.